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Post by Boxer6 on Sept 24, 2021 11:39:46 GMT
Your car I mean, of course.
Seems the comments from BP earlier in the week, and made more public today, have resulted in panic buying of fuel locally. A colleague What'sApp'd me a pic of queues for the pumps in his town (Coatbridge) earlier - it's all kicking off a bit, it seems!
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Sept 24, 2021 11:51:49 GMT
Yeah, it was ridiculous that BP released this knowing that a ravenous press would jump all over it, sparking panic buying. I stopped for fuel at 7am this morning and it was definitely busier, with a short queue to get to a pump.
The Chinese Government doesn't mess about - our plant in China has been told all businesses must shut for 5 days because of the gas shortage and then operate 3 days a week after that.
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Post by Roadrunner on Sept 24, 2021 12:31:53 GMT
I was down to my last eight litres yesterday evening so called in at Stratford-upon-Avon for 72 litres of Shell's finest and had a choice of pumps. Herself tells me that the Mini is down to the last two bars on the gauge, but by now she might have to settle for our local place on the Fosse Way, which is 10p per litre more expensive than anywhere else.
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Post by Martin on Sept 24, 2021 12:44:05 GMT
It’s ridiculous.
We do a lot of the deliveries and apart from some failures due to the M25 protests the other day there haven’t been any issues. The provider BP uses have lost some drivers recently because they haven’t reacted to the increase in market rates, but that’s not the same across the board. Even though other rates are lower, some drivers have decided to leave the industry as the gap is a lot smaller than it used to be. Having said that, even before the market moved a tanker driver could easily earn £60k a year.
I’ve got 300 miles range but will get through all that this afternoon.
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Post by Boxer6 on Sept 24, 2021 13:57:15 GMT
One of my colleagues recently updated her (and hubby's) Q7 to an SQ7, with 4.4 litres of V8 petrol loveliness powering it.
At c. 15-18mpg.
And 40 miles showing on the range meter .. .. ..
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Post by johnc on Sept 24, 2021 14:24:43 GMT
I'm heading to Nottingham and then across to near Silverstone next week with my 4.4 litres. I certainly hope there isn't going to be a shortage or it might be wiser to go electric!
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Post by alf on Sept 24, 2021 14:55:39 GMT
First I knew of this was when taking the Boxster to its service on Wednesday - I recalled when I started it up that the light had just come on from Sunday's drive, stopped for some Esso Super, and they were serving 30l per customer only. I was possibly lucky to get Super as so many people were already panic buying it due to ignorance about E10.
As we know from the fuel crisis of the Blair years, average tank status is about a third full at any time - just everyone filling up knocks supply for a time. That's what will happen now, when only some Esso and BP garages have genuine supply issues.
Annoyingly the XF is fairly low on fuel so I'll probably sneak out on one of the weekend mornings and fill it. With E10. I'm due out again today but, having recently collected the Boxster which is invitingly sitting on the drive hood-down, I'll be using that again!!!
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Post by PG on Sept 24, 2021 16:52:16 GMT
Yeah, it was ridiculous that BP released this knowing that a ravenous press would jump all over it, sparking panic buying... +1. Unless you're of the view that this is all part of ramping up the pressure to get HGV drivers added to the list of allowed immigrant visas, thus allowing companies to go back to hiring cheaper overseas drivers rather than actually training anyone locally. Or, god forbid, having to pay people more to get the to do a job. And if anything will work pressure wise, it's the TV news full of queues at petrol stations.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 17:14:03 GMT
It seems that people are drawing attention to this purely to create a shortage which is irresponsible but right up the media alley. That and self interest groups poking their noses at anyone they see as in 'their way'.
Time for a jolly good shooting.
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Post by Martin on Sept 24, 2021 19:39:01 GMT
Yeah, it was ridiculous that BP released this knowing that a ravenous press would jump all over it, sparking panic buying... +1. Unless you're of the view that this is all part of ramping up the pressure to get HGV drivers added to the list of allowed immigrant visas, thus allowing companies to go back to hiring cheaper overseas drivers rather than actually training anyone locally. Or, god forbid, having to pay people more to get the to do a job. And if anything will work pressure wise, it's the TV news full of queues at petrol stations. That’s what it is about but I think it’s all way too late. If they open things up now it won’t make enough difference IMO. There’s a huge driver shortage in Europe and Germany in particular have pushed their pay rates up. So if you’re a Polish driver (as an example as we’ve lost a lot), why would you work in the UK when you can earn a similar amount much closer to home? But if by some miracle 100 want to come over and take a permanent job, I’ll be delighted!
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Post by ChrisM on Sept 24, 2021 19:40:35 GMT
Seems it's grim out there. Local news is reporting many stations out of fuel and long queues, looking at google maps and the traffic display, it appears that they are right. Both my daughters have been out and about this evening, not yet been held up by queues at petrol stations where they live but people appear to be panic buying all over the place.
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Post by LandieMark on Sept 24, 2021 22:15:07 GMT
I've not seen any panic buying first hand. I have seen a smug electric car owning Facebook acquaintance spouting lots of bullshit about the range of his Leaf and how long it takes to charge to get such range.
I have also seen price gouging by the big service stations. I have just spent a week in Devon and didn't fill up before I went. I put a tank full in at Tibshelf South on the M1 for about £1.50 a litre which got me down there, did a week's running about and got me back to Tibshelf North with about 80 miles on the range. There wasn't a queue, but they had upped the price to £1.60 a litre. I did overhear the cashier alleging that they were running low and didn't know when the tanker was coming. Tibshelf is Shell.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 22:19:40 GMT
Profiteering?
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Post by Roadsterstu on Sept 25, 2021 7:48:18 GMT
I had 12 miles remaining when I went to our local BP yesterday morning. Small queues and some of the pumps were off. I put in 30 litres as it's not the cheapest, thinking it would until next week and I'd fill up at the supermarket on my days off. Then I got to work in the afternoon and the big queues had started, with calls coming in reporting traffic problems and tempers were clearly getting frayed. That then developed into us struggling to find fuel locally to fill police vehicles so having to travel much further to do so. It was pretty clear by the time I finished work at 11pm that my half a tank ought to be filled if at all possible on the way home so I stopped in at the same local BP again who by this time still had petrol and diesel and only 2 cars filling up. The cheeky sods had bumped the price from 138.9 to 141.9 since that morning, though.
Jane had filled her car a few days ago and she has been off work so we have both cars with full tanks now.
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Post by Martin on Sept 25, 2021 8:14:26 GMT
I had 12 miles remaining when I went to our local BP yesterday morning. Small queues and some of the pumps were off. I put in 30 litres as it's not the cheapest, thinking it would until next week and I'd fill up at the supermarket on my days off. Then I got to work in the afternoon and the big queues had started, with calls coming in reporting traffic problems and tempers were clearly getting frayed. That then developed into us struggling to find fuel locally to fill police vehicles so having to travel much further to do so. It was pretty clear by the time I finished work at 11pm that my half a tank ought to be filled if at all possible on the way home so I stopped in at the same local BP again who by this time still had petrol and diesel and only 2 cars filling up. The cheeky sods had bumped the price from 138.9 to 141.9 since that morning, though. Jane had filled her car a few days ago and she has been off work so we have both cars with full tanks now. So what you’re saying is not only are you are panic buyer, but twice in one day! I’ve got 90 miles left in my car, which will drop quickly as that’s after a busy motorway run. I’ll need some on the way home on Tuesday otherwise I’m not going anywhere. I think the Golf has 150 miles or so left, but I need to do over 300 on Thursday. But I refuse to get any before I need it and as there isn’t a shortage, I hope all the panic buyers have filled up, then the stock can be replenished over the next few days as most won’t need fuel again for weeks….
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Post by Martin on Sept 25, 2021 8:19:58 GMT
Just realised I’ll need some on Sunday as I’ve got a 200 mile round trip to take the boy’s home and 150 miles range in the Golf. Bugger. I’m going to be massively pissed off if I have to mess around finding somewhere and then have to sit in a queue just because of people’s behaviour.
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Post by Stuntman on Sept 25, 2021 8:30:58 GMT
I need to do a 120 mile round trip tomorrow and I don't have that much range in any of my cars at the moment, so I popped down to my local Sainsburys at 8.20am today and it took me about 25 minutes to reach the front of the fuel queue. At least they didn't appear to be profiteering.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Sept 25, 2021 9:56:52 GMT
Just realised I’ll need some on Sunday as I’ve got a 200 mile round trip to take the boy’s home and 150 miles range in the Golf. Bugger. I’m going to be massively pissed off if I have to mess around finding somewhere and then have to sit in a queue just because of people’s behaviour. Which is why I bought some more of the way home late last night, of course. And the morning purchase was out of necessity, with 12 miles remaining. No panic. Honest!
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Post by ChrisM on Sept 25, 2021 9:57:36 GMT
Its mayhem around where I live, most garages are sold out, the few that have are rationing it and the queues are horrendous. The local big Sainsburys (just been to get some food) has about 20 pumps but the queue is all the way back to the dual carriageway off which it sits, so maybe 60 or 70 cars queueing. Local garage is one of the few with some left but limiting it to £30 and causing issues on the main road on which it's located due to the queue; just had a frustrating 10 minutes or so queueing (filled on my way out) because the Captur had almost no fuel in it, not been used much recently as wife is quite badly ill and has to go to a not-so-near hospital during the coming week. It's getting on for 3 months since it has got fuel and now this.....
Boris and the idiots running the country have a lot to answer for, as well as the fuel crisis (and it is a crisis despite what they may say) there are even more gaps on the supermarket shelves, no fresh diced beef or lamb (only mince), no Kingsmill 50/50, even the stocks on the confectionary shelves are running low! If lockdown didn't force you to stay at home, the fuel crisis (lack of, and escalating prices) will.
We're doomed
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Post by Martin on Sept 25, 2021 10:33:45 GMT
Just realised I’ll need some on Sunday as I’ve got a 200 mile round trip to take the boy’s home and 150 miles range in the Golf. Bugger. I’m going to be massively pissed off if I have to mess around finding somewhere and then have to sit in a queue just because of people’s behaviour. Which is why I bought some more of the way home late last night, of course. And the morning purchase was out of necessity, with 12 miles remaining. No panic. Honest! 😁 Just taken the little man swimming and stopped off at Waitrose on the way back, no queues at their shell garage at all, so I filled my car up. I was down to 60 miles range and it took £90, so no panic here either!
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Post by Martin on Sept 25, 2021 10:48:40 GMT
Its mayhem around where I live, most garages are sold out, the few that have are rationing it and the queues are horrendous. The local big Sainsburys (just been to get some food) has about 20 pumps but the queue is all the way back to the dual carriageway off which it sits, so maybe 60 or 70 cars queueing. Local garage is one of the few with some left but limiting it to £30 and causing issues on the main road on which it's located due to the queue; just had a frustrating 10 minutes or so queueing (filled on my way out) because the Captur had almost no fuel in it, not been used much recently as wife is quite badly ill and has to go to a not-so-near hospital during the coming week. It's getting on for 3 months since it has got fuel and now this..... Boris and the idiots running the country have a lot to answer for, as well as the fuel crisis (and it is a crisis despite what they may say) there are even more gaps on the supermarket shelves, no fresh diced beef or lamb (only mince), no Kingsmill 50/50, even the stocks on the confectionary shelves are running low! If lockdown didn't force you to stay at home, the fuel crisis (lack of, and escalating prices) will. We're doomed Go to an Iceland Food Warehouse Chris. Thanks to me and my team and a CEO who makes quick/sensible decisions, they are less than half a day behind ideal/optimum stock levels with very few items out of stock. Scotland is a bit worse to be fair as COVID cases have been high over the last couple of weeks but everywhere else is OK. I’ve been into Tesco, Waitrose, Aldi and Co-op in the last week and their availability is shocking. The problem a lot of supermarkets have had is they refused to react to increasing rates and do anything different to attract and retain drivers/warehouse pickers. They have now but they can’t catch up and it’s warehouse workers more than drivers that’s the issue, drivers are available if you’re prepared to pay. It’s not all frozen food in Iceland (c35% only), a Food Warehouse has enough range to cover a standard weekly shop and sells unfrozen mince. Not that most supermarket fresh mince is really that though, a lot is previously frozen anyway. I remember the supplier of Bootifull Turkeys having an issue because their fresh turkeys were taking up space in the frozen warehouse….. I’ll be honest, I hadn’t been into one of their stores in well over 20years until I was talking to them about running their network, but the refreshed / larger stores and range are very good.
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Post by ChrisM on Sept 25, 2021 11:36:02 GMT
^ Unfortunately number 1 priority for me remains to get another job.
Where's the nearest Iceland Food Warehouse to GU15 / GU16? There used to be quite a large Iceland in Camberley town centre when we first moved here but it was shut and later demolished many years ago
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Post by Martin on Sept 25, 2021 11:47:55 GMT
^ Unfortunately number 1 priority for me remains to get another job. Where's the nearest Iceland Food Warehouse to GU15 / GU16? There used to be quite a large Iceland in Camberley town centre when we first moved here but it was shut and later demolished many years ago I’d guess Reading, then Basingstoke are the 2 nearest and Farnborough is probably the nearest standard store. Not sure how shopping in a different store effects your job hunting though?
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Post by humphreythepug on Sept 25, 2021 11:52:00 GMT
All a cynical ploy by the hauliers to get us to open up and get cheaper foreign labour back in, engineer a crisis that isn't really there, get the press involved and the stupid general public will do the rest!!
My colleague was chatting to the area manager of the Shell garage over the road from work, one of their larger branches got through 45,000 litres yesterday, on a normal day it will around the 12,000 litre mark.
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Post by Martin on Sept 25, 2021 12:23:43 GMT
All a cynical ploy by the hauliers to get us to open up and get cheaper foreign labour back in, engineer a crisis that isn't really there, get the press involved and the stupid general public will do the rest!!My colleague was chatting to the area manager of the Shell garage over the road from work, one of their larger branches got through 45,000 litres yesterday, on a normal day it will around the 12,000 litre mark. Trust me, there is a genuine and significant shortage of drivers. But I agree that press and public have made it a lot worse. It was the same with toilet roll, the biggest manufacturer had over 12 months stock at the time, but because it takes up so much cube on a vehicle, they just couldn’t get it out fast enough to keep up with the general public’s hording. In my opinion, there’s too much noise about getting foreign labour back and faith that it’s the answer, I don’t think it is and it won’t be cheap either. Creating new drivers is the answer, but it’s not a quick fix. We’re setting up driver training schools, it’s only costs £3,000 to take a man or woman off the stree and take them all the way through to being a qualified Class 1 driver, all we need to decent test availability. I’ve had 10 throug and pass already with 20 waiting for a test date.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2021 12:29:53 GMT
Far too many self interest groups out there pi55ing on everyone else for personal gain.
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Post by ChrisM on Sept 25, 2021 13:19:08 GMT
... but the government is not responding with plans to resolve the crises that we are experiencing. This is at least the third time I can remember, since moving to my present home, that there have been fuel shortages and wide-spread queueing. I can also remember the fuel crisis in the 1970's where petrol coupons were distributed but never actually used, also with shortages and queueing; that's 4 times in just over 50 years in a so-called modern civilised country where we have had major issues with a "basic" of life. Government actions are notable by their absence every time
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Post by racingteatray on Sept 25, 2021 14:49:07 GMT
Bimbling around my local 'hood here in London doing weekend errands (going to the tip, getting the car washed etc), I did notice that none of the five petrol stations I drove past had any fuel whatsoever.
It's of no consequence to me for the time being - as it happens the BMW has over 3/4s of a tank, and the Fiat has a full tank, as both were refilled quite recently.
But I'm glad I don't have a pressing need to go anywhere particular at present.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Sept 25, 2021 15:20:21 GMT
“4 times in over 50 years…” 😀
Come on Chris have you forgotten what caused the fuel shortages in the 70s?
Anyway, no queues in Newcastle on any forecourt I’ve passed, perhaps a little busier than normal. Supermarket shelves normal.
Crisis? What crisis?
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Post by LandieMark on Sept 25, 2021 15:31:13 GMT
It's only a crisis because of the general public, BP and the press making it so. Other than telling the general public that they are as thick as mince and they should stop panic buying at the drop of a hat (doesn't work anyway) I fail to see what they can do.
It's a free economy to an extent and I don't want government meddling in business affairs that aren't theirs to meddle in.
No queues at Consett that I could see. I didn't need a fill up as I still have 300 miles left on the range which will be fine for this week.
The Discovery is 3/4 full and I will fill that at the weekend when I need to on my green laning trip I have planned.
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