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Post by Blarno on Oct 5, 2021 15:22:38 GMT
I went to ASDA near to work at lunchtime to fill up and had the pump cut me off at 34 litres. It was supposed to cut off at £30 but I don't think the attendant was paying attention.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 14:17:53 GMT
Does anyone know of a site or outlet that has guides to where e5 is currently available?
I might get to a service station but cannot guarantee getting back without filling up.
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Post by bryan on Oct 6, 2021 14:38:02 GMT
I'd suggest calling the fuel station directly before going?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 14:57:43 GMT
I did. "we have super, no e5".
Looking for general info on multiples.
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Post by bryan on Oct 6, 2021 16:04:14 GMT
I thought all super was e5 and standard was E10?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 16:21:25 GMT
Me too but he sounded like he was unclued, no reason to tempt fate. Apparently Tes and co have it. I thought about it but traffic is a mare so I'll go later.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 6, 2021 17:37:25 GMT
Just an aside for our southern based members; it looks like there could be shortages of frozen turkeys and pigs in blankets this Xmas so you might want to start your panic buying early. 😀
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 17:54:26 GMT
I heard that Iceland are shipping special deliveries in starting Monday. Two extra tons per day........
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Post by Roadrunner on Oct 6, 2021 18:03:17 GMT
Just an aside for our southern based members; it looks like there could be shortages of frozen turkeys and pigs in blankets this Xmas so you might want to start your panic buying early. 😀 Use a local independent butcher and you will also certainly be OK. Either that, or order your Goose/ Turkey from an independent producer such as Goodmans. |
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Post by LandieMark on Oct 6, 2021 19:39:43 GMT
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Post by bryan on Oct 6, 2021 20:24:57 GMT
Just an aside for our southern based members; it looks like there could be shortages of frozen turkeys and pigs in blankets this Xmas so you might want to start your panic buying early. 😀 Use a local independent butcher and you will also certainly be OK. Either that, or order your Goose/ Turkey from an independent producer such as Goodmans. Goodman's geese was opposite my childhood home, used to see them running about the field and then disappearing nearer Christmas!! My turkey is already on order from the farm shop and running around in a field 1/2 a Mike from here |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 21:08:17 GMT
Tesco had fuel, and super E5 too. Sadly I just had to get a curry (And Mango chutney) too which meant I HAD to get a bottle of beer. Stands to reason so the fuel cost a lot more than it would have. £1:41 per litre. It could have been a lot worse. The day started not great but ended pretty goo what with the beast's popping around in a bit. In all respects a result.
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Post by PG on Oct 7, 2021 14:08:03 GMT
Indeed. Just in time supply chains are a good idea (less working capital tied up in stock) until there is an unplanned change in demand. Then they are hopeless. As has been proved several times. |
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Post by ChrisM on Oct 7, 2021 16:27:08 GMT
Indeed. Just in time supply chains are a good idea (less working capital tied up in stock) until there is an unplanned change in demand. Then they are hopeless. As has been proved several times. ... or a breakdown, road closure/derailment/fire etc etc - less working capital tied up = financial benefit, not much other benefit under normal circumstances |
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Post by ChrisM on Oct 7, 2021 16:38:21 GMT
... and just you wait until new petrol and diesel car sales are banned and there is a drop in demand for liquid fuel.
Who is going to want to train as a tanker driver, knowing that demand for what you deliver will be decreasing steadily? How will smaller garages survive on reduced sales unless they all open mini-markets to remain solvent? There is a distinct possibility that supermarkets will be the only organisations large enough to sustain the traditional forecourt.... I wonder who in government has thought this through and produced any plans to "cope" as the fuel situation changes over time, same way as where is the planning for an increase in the number of EV charging stations and how do people with no off-street parking cope?
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 7, 2021 18:59:18 GMT
... and just you wait until new petrol and diesel car sales are banned and there is a drop in demand for liquid fuel. Who is going to want to train as a tanker driver, knowing that demand for what you deliver will be decreasing steadily? How will smaller garages survive on reduced sales unless they all open mini-markets to remain solvent? There is a distinct possibility that supermarkets will be the only organisations large enough to sustain the traditional forecourt.... I wonder who in government has thought this through and produced any plans to "cope" as the fuel situation changes over time, same way as where is the planning for an increase in the number of EV charging stations and how do people with no off-street parking cope? Surely you know the answer to that! |
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Post by LandieMark on Oct 7, 2021 19:19:17 GMT
... and just you wait until new petrol and diesel car sales are banned and there is a drop in demand for liquid fuel. Who is going to want to train as a tanker driver, knowing that demand for what you deliver will be decreasing steadily? How will smaller garages survive on reduced sales unless they all open mini-markets to remain solvent? There is a distinct possibility that supermarkets will be the only organisations large enough to sustain the traditional forecourt.... I wonder who in government has thought this through and produced any plans to "cope" as the fuel situation changes over time, same way as where is the planning for an increase in the number of EV charging stations and how do people with no off-street parking cope? I'm not convinced that demand will drop that much. Nobody has given it any serious thought. All they are interested in is ticking boxes. Small fuel suppliers will have to invest in charging units like everyone else. It won't necessarily cost them anything as they could lease space to charging providers. The off street parking is a massive issue, unless the government add chargers to lamp posts. |
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Post by Alex on Oct 7, 2021 21:49:27 GMT
A lot of councils are adding chargers on the street. My boss lives on a street in Horsham with on street parking only and several of his neighbours have cables draped across the pavement at night with a big rubber mat over them to stop pedestrians tripping up. He's just got a Kuga PHEV so will likely be joining them.
It will be interesting to see what causes people to move to electric, will it be EVs (particularly second hand ones) becoming more affordable or will it be petrol becoming less affordable? The government can't keep the cost of fuel artificially low by freezing fuel duty forever. As more people go electric the price of petrol will surely either go down due to lack of demand or rise due to a ramping down of production and increased taxation.
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Post by Boxer6 on Oct 8, 2021 6:19:26 GMT
A lot of councils are adding chargers on the street. My boss lives on a street in Horsham with on street parking only and several of his neighbours have cables draped across the pavement at night with a big rubber mat over them to stop pedestrians tripping up. He's just got a Kuga PHEV so will likely be joining them. It will be interesting to see what causes people to move to electric, will it be EVs (particularly second hand ones) becoming more affordable or will it be petrol becoming less affordable? The government can't keep the cost of fuel artificially low by freezing fuel duty forever. As more people go electric the price of petrol will surely either go down due to lack of demand or rise due to a ramping down of production and increased taxation. Cables across streets near where I work would last about 10 minutes!! Rubber mats stop trips only for as long as they're in place, as I'm sure you know that isn't very long, then it's just one big trip hazard - and damages claim!
As for fuel prices going down - unlikely really, whatever the reason!
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 8, 2021 13:33:09 GMT
... and just you wait until new petrol and diesel car sales are banned and there is a drop in demand for liquid fuel. Who is going to want to train as a tanker driver, knowing that demand for what you deliver will be decreasing steadily? How will smaller garages survive on reduced sales unless they all open mini-markets to remain solvent? There is a distinct possibility that supermarkets will be the only organisations large enough to sustain the traditional forecourt.... I wonder who in government has thought this through and produced any plans to "cope" as the fuel situation changes over time, same way as where is the planning for an increase in the number of EV charging stations and how do people with no off-street parking cope? Forgive me Chris, but I can't help imagine your great grandfather writing to The Times complaining that the Government hasn't thought the whole internal combustion thing through; swopping a mode of transport (the horse) that you can just re-fuel by turning it out into your field for something that will require a whole infrastructure supporting the drilling, refining, transporting, storing, and dispensing of a highly flammable fuel through specialist outlets. How will the country cope? Where are all the horse breeders and carriage drivers going to find employment? Madness, I tell you! |
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Post by ChrisM on Oct 8, 2021 14:20:41 GMT
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I suspect that the issue with fuel stations and petrol/diesel sales dropping significantly won't happen within my lifetime
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2021 16:38:09 GMT
What form of liquid fuel will be available tho'?
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Post by michael on Oct 8, 2021 17:06:36 GMT
Hydrogen?
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Post by PG on Oct 8, 2021 19:48:39 GMT
... and just you wait until new petrol and diesel car sales are banned and there is a drop in demand for liquid fuel. Forgive me Chris, but I can't help imagine your great grandfather writing to The Times complaining that the Government hasn't thought the whole internal combustion thing through; swopping a mode of transport (the horse) that you can just re-fuel by turning it out into your field for something that will require a whole infrastructure supporting the drilling, refining, transporting, storing, and dispensing of a highly flammable fuel through specialist outlets. How will the country cope? Where are all the horse breeders and carriage drivers going to find employment? Madness, I tell you! I kind of agree with your point, like there were probably people writing to the papers in the same period saying why would anybody ever want one of these new fangled telephone things? The telegraph and post work fine. But the trouble is that all previous changes have been advances in technology. What came in was clearly better, more efficient, quicker etc than what we had. If wind power had been so brilliant nobody would have had to invent the steam engine and so on. Therefore commerce, investment, business moved inexorable from one market to the next. People invented new businesses - petrol stations. This change from ICE to BEV is mandated. The current technology is not being bettered, it is being banned. Therefore the whole economics of that change are screwed. Unless the fiscal rules are written to make sure that petrol and diesel continue to be available, at some tipping point it will disappear from easy sale and people who still have ICE cars will need to go back to carrying jerry cans as the first motorists did. |
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Post by Boxer6 on Oct 8, 2021 19:57:04 GMT
I pass a Londis/BP gagage on my commute every day. This morning diesel was 145.9ppl. On the way home tonight - 147.9ppl.  |
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Post by ChrisM on Oct 8, 2021 21:08:41 GMT
I did read last week that petrol and diesel was due to go up by maybe 4 or 5 p per litre this week anyway.
I passed 2 garages today, both had petrol and diesel and no queues to pull in and fill up (one Esso, one Texaco) so looks like the local "shortage" may now be sorted
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2021 21:10:44 GMT
And profiteering is outlawed. Seems that it's OK when it suits.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Oct 8, 2021 21:57:57 GMT
I filled up at Asda this morning. Full tank, no limit. It was 135.9. Great, I thought. Its actually gone down in price. I recalled it as being 140 ish. Nope. I checked on here and last time I filled up it was 134, so it had actually gone up. Bugger.
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Post by Alex on Oct 9, 2021 17:54:30 GMT
The BP on the A24 had all fuels except Ultimate diesel this morning and no queues so I filled up as I was back down to quarter tank but the pump I filled up at showed the previous customer had only put in 14 ltrs so unless it was a motorbike people are clearly still doing regular top ups which is not helping matters. The other BP at the top of our village hasn't had fuel since Wednesday bit they're far from being a priority filling station.
I read earlier that one factor in the shortages is the introduction of E10 which led to retailers and depots draining down their tanks of E5 towards the end of August and not having sufficiently replenished stocks with the new E10 fuel by the time panic set in. The E10 is also being bought at the higher wholesale price whereas if we were still using stocks of E5 it would have been bought at a slightly lower wholesale price.
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Post by ChrisM on Oct 9, 2021 19:43:41 GMT
I read earlier that one factor in the shortages is the introduction of E10 which led to retailers and depots draining down their tanks of E5 towards the end of August and not having sufficiently replenished stocks with the new E10 fuel by the time panic set in. Now that we CAN blame on the government. Fancy planning the change-over from E5 to E10 at the same time as a shortage..........  |
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