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Post by Tim on Jun 16, 2020 11:48:14 GMT
Those Autobiographies are pricey new aren't they! Probably as much as a 4.4 V8 engined 7 Series  I wonder who does the biggest discounts though (not on your car Martin, from new) as I see a few of the LR dealers are advertising them with £4k off. I expect a typical discount on a brand new 7 series at this end of the market would be at least £20k? |
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Post by Martin on Jun 16, 2020 11:57:51 GMT
Those Autobiographies are pricey new aren't they! Probably as much as a 4.4 V8 engined 7 Series I wonder who does the biggest discounts though (not on your car Martin, from new) as I see a few of the LR dealers are advertising them with £4k off. I expect a typical discount on a brand new 7 series at this end of the market would be at least £20k? You can get 30% off a new 7 series, so from £27k upwards on a new 750i. LR used to be about 3-5% I think, but you can get 10% / £10k off a Range Rover at the moment. Not sure if that's market related or because they're about to change the diesel engines, the base one will soon be 300hp (up from 275) and the V8 diesel is being replaced by a 350hp version of the 6 cylinder diesel (for the same price). |
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Post by bryan on Jun 16, 2020 12:27:07 GMT
Real shame you have to downgrade the wheels to get that co2 reduction. The standard 20s on the SE are the nicest wheels in the range build.landrover/EFBAFAE1If I was getting a HSE, I would select the extended leather to cover the dash top and door top rolls. The deep garnet interior colour option is fab, looks great with Indus Silver. I have considered the leather dash at length as it is lovely but it adds £30pcm onto the lease on its own.and you have to draw the line somewhere The ideal is an SE with Windsor leather, cooled seats and leather dash but that is about £80pcm more plus tax and the HSE similarly spec'd is £50pcm.which is hard to justify. The SE will cost c£100 a more than the Merc at 8% tax and allow some margin of risk should the rate increase due to the economic conditions. The HSE is a funny one it adds the marginally better leather (the leather in the yeti feels as good😲) and drive pack but I am ambivalent about the audio (won't make R2,R4 or podcasts any better), don't think the rear view mirror works with old man glasses and I get confused with keyless entry and it is a theft risk. Plus it is c£50 a month more.....head says no, heart on the fence Like many comments I too am struggling with the £50k plus for an Evoque 😲😲😲🤪 |
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Post by Martin on Jun 16, 2020 12:32:10 GMT
Doesn't the clearsight mirror work as a normal one, only switching to the roof mounted camera when you activate it in a similar way to manually dipping a basic mirror?
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Post by bryan on Jun 16, 2020 12:52:38 GMT
In theory but it is still a monitor not a mirror, best way I can describe the off effect is very tinted a bit like when you put the mirror into antidazzle mode rather than clear mirror
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Post by Martin on Jun 16, 2020 12:54:32 GMT
In theory but it is still a monitor not a mirror, best way I can describe the off effect is very tinted a bit like when you put the mirror into antidazzle mode rather than clear mirror Ahhh, OK. |
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Post by racingteatray on Jun 16, 2020 12:59:43 GMT
Like many comments I too am struggling with the £50k plus for an Evoque 😲😲😲🤪 Presume it needs to be some sort of hybrid powertrain and this is the best you can get? Is a Tesla 3 not on the list? |
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Post by bryan on Jun 16, 2020 13:00:35 GMT
Looked good for spying on people behind you though |
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Post by PG on Jun 16, 2020 13:06:12 GMT
In theory but it is still a monitor not a mirror, best way I can describe the off effect is very tinted a bit like when you put the mirror into antidazzle mode rather than clear mirror Clearsight only seems to make sense if you regularly carry a middle seat passenger in the rear. |
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Post by ChrisM on Jun 16, 2020 13:31:44 GMT
Clearsight only seems to make sense if you regularly carry a middle seat passenger in the rear. ... or a load of furniture, wardrobe etc ;-) |
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Post by bryan on Jun 16, 2020 13:40:35 GMT
It is also one of the few PHEVs where you can spec a spare wheel but you lose the cubby for the charging cable and it is another £5pcm - so it was considered then dropped to the maybe box. Come to that JLR are the only company to charge for a 3pin plug charging cable - just another £300 ontop of your £52k sir !! 
That said it does have a proper size petrol tank (57l) so the range should be good
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Post by michael on Jun 16, 2020 13:43:21 GMT
Will you charge it up? I'd imagine the 1.5ltr engine along is going to deliver some shocking economy figures.
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Post by Sav on Jun 16, 2020 13:57:15 GMT
That look great. I've always had a soft spot for a full-sized RR, despite SUV's not really being my thing.
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Post by bryan on Jun 16, 2020 14:17:00 GMT
Probably - it will still operate as a normal hybrid if you don't ie regen energy as you brake the 2100kg heffalump etc So I think the fuel economy from a highly stressed 1.5 could be interesting.... One thing we are thinking of doing is sharing the car with Mrs M (hence all the memory stuff) The Merc sits all day here (or goes I suspect much more infrequently to the station) and she commutes c30miles a day in the Yeti which we own. The Evoque (whilst not as nice as the Yeti.....  ) would be capable of doing the commute purely on Electric which would make charging it up worthwhile. I am more than happy to use the Yeti to go to the station or get a toy (thinking S4 Cab or R53 JCW) to do so, hence not going to ott on the monthlies. The pandemic may have permanently stopped the majority of station trips however! The current PHEV is charged only when I have nearly run out of fuel to get me to the office the next morning it does about 8miles electric on a full charge |
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Post by chipbutty on Jun 16, 2020 15:07:10 GMT
Evoque PHEV has 3 modes
Hybrid = 306ps in combination, system manages EV/petrol usage based on demand – e.g – cruising at 70mph, it will balance between petrol/EV to use the least amount of fuel - nail the throttle and gives you full beans, etc, etc.
Electric = 108ps motor only, can run up to 84mph, WLTP range of 41 miles
Petrol only = 197ps petrol engine only (1.5 litre 3 cyl turbo) – won’t touch the battery until you switch back to hybrid or EV mode
In hybrid mode, it can regen enough to never run out of battery power – so you always have access to 306ps.
For me – this is the pick of the range because it offers the best performance/fuel usage ratio. I also love 3 pot engines, much more interesting to listen to than the 4 pots.
You can get a base one from £43k – although I guess that’s largely irrelevant if you are a company user, or leasing/PCP.
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Post by bryan on Jun 16, 2020 15:30:07 GMT
Any idea what mpg it will give in hybrid mode without charging? Hopefully the dealers will have one soon to try - it will be the first car I order without driving
The base model is nice but quickly adds up once you put on things like the Touch pro duo and makes the SE the better choice for me
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jun 16, 2020 15:34:37 GMT
Indeed it will be an Evoque hybrid in free black and either SE or HSE format with a wheel downgrade to 18" to get the all important 40mile range and 6-8% tax The S is quite basic and by the time you add the 'essentials' on it it costs more than the SE and there are several things on the HSE we actively don't want (keyless entry, clearview rear mirror) but if you want to get things like the cooled seats then you need the 'posh' windsor leather. It would do your head in Martin - the inconsistencies in the speccing eg no one knows which option is required to get zoned seats and the dealers keep giving different answers of the 3 possibles - Piers is helping with a contact he has to get an answer...
I'm like you in that I find the JLR configurator utterly baffling. When I've tried to spec something up I've ended up giving up and leaving it. |
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Post by chipbutty on Jun 16, 2020 15:43:40 GMT
Depends on how full the battery is, how much regen you do on the journey, ambient temp etc.
As I understand it, if you never recharge it, it should never drop below a certain percentage - which leaves enough to access full power AND/OR to power the rear wheels for off roading.
In theory then – if the battery never gets above min charge, you won’t get the benefit of the hybrid functionality – just access to full power and 4wd.
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Post by bryan on Jun 16, 2020 15:53:25 GMT
If it is like the Merc it will vary amount of electric recoverd eg I have regenerated upto 28% battery and depending on use it goes down to around 12% (but never lower) and tends to sit somewhere in this band. On a run the Merc will get c 40mpg without adding Electric - if the Evoque does that I'll be happy
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Post by Martin on Jun 16, 2020 16:05:34 GMT
If it is like the Merc it will vary amount of electric recoverd eg I have regenerated upto 28% battery and depending on use it goes down to around 12% (but never lower) and tends to sit somewhere in this band. On a run the Merc will get c 40mpg without adding Electric - if the Evoque does that I'll be happy If it does anything close to that without plugging it in I'll be amazed. Smaller engine working a lot harder, if it's 2.1 tonnes then won't it be 20-25% heavier than the mercedes and less aerodynamic. My money would be on 30-32mpg, but will be interesting to see and even putting aside the tax benefits and potential economy, I think it's the best engine for the Evoque. |
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Post by chipbutty on Jun 16, 2020 16:29:58 GMT
Not meaning to derail your new car thread - but last point on the PHEV...
Evoque/DS PHEV is more sophisticated than the RRS/RR PHEV. The bigger car has the e-motor within the gearbox, so it retains the standard 4wd system. The smaller car loses the standard 4wd content and the e-motor is integrated to the rear diff - aside from the weight saving of losing the transfer case and propshaft, the battery pack, charger and controller can now sit under the centre of the car. That plus the move to 3 cylinders takes a chunk of weight and friction out - so I would expect the fuel economy on the petrol only mode to be less tragic than expected.
But - this should be exception to the rule, just keep it charged and take advantage of the cheap BIK and electric propulsion
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Post by Martin on Jun 16, 2020 18:30:29 GMT
Money transferred from savings has cleared, so I’ve just paid the balance. Feel a bit queasy but it will pass. The plan is to collect it on Thursday afternoon, but I will check in the morning to make sure it will be ready. They are replacing one of the black B pillar trims as it’s got a deep scratch in it and have to fit the side steps, which should have arrived today.
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Post by Alex on Jun 16, 2020 18:54:01 GMT
Money transferred from savings has cleared, so I’ve just paid the balance. Feel a bit queasy but it will pass. The plan is to collect it on Thursday afternoon, but I will check in the morning to make sure it will be ready. They are replacing one of the black B pillar trims as it’s got a deep scratch in it and have to fit the side steps, which should have arrived today. That's some chunk of savings to drop on a car Martin, are you not using finance for some of it? |
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Post by bryan on Jun 16, 2020 19:09:49 GMT
Money transferred from savings has cleared, so I’ve just paid the balance. Feel a bit queasy but it will pass. The plan is to collect it on Thursday afternoon, but I will check in the morning to make sure it will be ready. They are replacing one of the black B pillar trims as it’s got a deep scratch in it and have to fit the side steps, which should have arrived today. To bastardise the quote, the feeling of imperiously looking down at the plebs will remain long after the bitterness of the cost is forgotten. Time for a large drink! |
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Post by Martin on Jun 16, 2020 19:21:35 GMT
Money transferred from savings has cleared, so I’ve just paid the balance. Feel a bit queasy but it will pass. The plan is to collect it on Thursday afternoon, but I will check in the morning to make sure it will be ready. They are replacing one of the black B pillar trims as it’s got a deep scratch in it and have to fit the side steps, which should have arrived today. To bastardise the quote, the feeling of imperiously looking down at the plebs will remain long after the bitterness of the cost is forgotten. Time for a large drink! Maybe! Not a maybe to the large drink though, it has been a long and tough day at work soma large one is needed and deserved. No, I’m not using finance Alex. |
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Post by PG on Jun 16, 2020 20:18:39 GMT
Feel a bit queasy but it will pass. To bastardise the quote, the feeling of imperiously looking down at the plebs will remain long after the bitterness of the cost is forgotten. Time for a large drink!  |
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 17, 2020 13:29:27 GMT
Having a browse through the old forum, following the link from another thread, I couldn't help smiling when I saw this  |
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Post by Martin on Jun 17, 2020 13:39:40 GMT
Having a browse through the old forum, following the link from another thread, I couldn't help smiling when I saw this I wasn't quite right, it can't quite carry my whole family and I still do suspect that the ownership could disappoint (but I really hope it doesn’t), so nothing has changed really!  If we’re trawling back through posts.....I’ve had one in my ‘dream garage’ for a long time, as this post shows. Won't go beyond 2 out out 5 unless I start buying lottery tickets.  |
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Post by michael on Jun 17, 2020 13:55:10 GMT
I don't think it will disappoint for the simple reason that they feel more special than the rivals and you appreciate that every time you see it or get in. I really like Range Rovers those I know who have them buy them again and again because of the experience they offer. Enjoy it - you've deserve it!
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Post by racingteatray on Jun 17, 2020 14:14:15 GMT
I don't think it will disappoint for the simple reason that they feel more special than the rivals and you appreciate that every time you see it or get in. I really like Range Rovers those I know who have them buy them again and again because of the experience they offer. Enjoy it - you've deserve it! Indeed, and as I say, my father had three between about 1990 and 2000. None of them was a paragon of reliability, but the last one, a dark blue 4.6 HSE, was so desperately unreliable and also something of a pig to drive, that when it came to replace it, he decided to go for the then-just launched original Audi Allroad in 2.7T flavour, and has had an unbroken succession of faultlessly reliable Audis ever since. |
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) would be capable of doing the commute purely on Electric which would make charging it up worthwhile. I am more than happy to use the Yeti to go to the station or get a toy (thinking S4 Cab or R53 JCW) to do so, hence not going to ott on the monthlies. The pandemic may have permanently stopped the majority of station trips however!
