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Post by LandieMark on Feb 5, 2020 14:19:02 GMT
Inspired primarily by this: - and seeing them up close and personal at the LRO show last September: -       I have decided that the next project is going to be a Land Rover 110 with a Cummins 6BT conversion. Conversion plates are available for the LT230 transfer case for either the earlier Spicer gearbox or later ZF gearbox; engine mounts and all sorts of other conversion bits and pieces are also available from enterprising members of the Cummins Land Rover group on Facebook and there are several project channels on Youtube. There is probably more support and information for this conversion than there was for my Rover V8 as it is a more modern conversion. I have a million ideas in my head of what I want to do and how I want the vehicle to look. This will not be a quick project by any means, but I want to source and engine and gearbox (I've got my eye on a couple) and a donor 110 station wagon pre TD5 so the electrics are still simple. Naturally it will probably need a new chassis for the build. I will update this when the Series III has gone and I have the donor bits sorted. |
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Post by Alex on Feb 5, 2020 16:12:40 GMT
Sounds like a good way to keep you quiet for a while! The performance looked pretty eye opening in that video, must have enough torque to pull down a tree. Gives you the chance to be creative with the build too if you don't want a standard truck at the end.
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Post by LandieMark on Feb 5, 2020 16:25:41 GMT
I'm going to get myself a welder at some point as there will be fabrication involved and the Series has given me the confidence to go big.
I actually want a reasonably subtle truck. No massive lifts and wide wheels. Probably more subtle than my 90, actually.
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Post by michael on Feb 5, 2020 20:24:39 GMT
Are you going to increase your garage space?
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Post by PG on Feb 5, 2020 22:49:09 GMT
Those long winter nights in the [new bigger] garage are just going to fly by.....
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Post by LandieMark on Feb 6, 2020 8:19:52 GMT
Are you going to increase your garage space? I wish, but no. I am going to have a massive clear out to make space as I will also need a decent compressor. |
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Post by Blarno on Feb 6, 2020 8:57:01 GMT
I love the idea of sticking a big Cummins diesel in something never designed for it, like an E34/E39, E Class or Volvo 940 wagon. Something long and RWD for big smokey drifts.
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Post by PetrolEd on Feb 6, 2020 9:46:49 GMT
Can you not just get yourself a Peterbilt and be done with it.
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Post by LandieMark on Feb 6, 2020 10:32:17 GMT
Can you not just get yourself a Peterbilt and be done with it.  I would love something like that! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 10:35:28 GMT
That might not fit in the yard let alone the garage.
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Post by michael on Feb 6, 2020 10:44:56 GMT
For those of us not quite 'getting' this, what is special about a Cummings engine? Are they usually in trucks?
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Post by Tim on Feb 6, 2020 10:48:02 GMT
For those of us not quite 'getting' this, what is special about a Cummin gs engine? Are they usually in trucks? Tut, tut  Aren't these modified things usually seen deliberately belching black smoke inappropriately? |
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Post by LandieMark on Feb 6, 2020 10:50:18 GMT
Indeed they are truck engines. In Europe they were used in Leyland Roadrunners/DAF 45/55s. In the USA they are found in Dodge RAMs. They sound fantastic, are a completely mechanical engine and the torque is immense compared to a normal Land Rover engine which makes for effortless driving.
And just because.
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Post by LandieMark on Feb 6, 2020 10:52:26 GMT
For those of us not quite 'getting' this, what is special about a Cummin gs engine? Are they usually in trucks? Tut, tut Aren't these modified things usually seen deliberately belching black smoke inappropriately? Only because they've turned the pump up too far. |
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Post by Martin on Feb 6, 2020 10:53:31 GMT
For those of us not quite 'getting' this, what is special about a Cummings engine? Are they usually in trucks? Glad I’m not the only one, although I think I get it now, it’s different and a challenge. Although everything Mark buys is a challenge, so business as usual really! |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Feb 6, 2020 11:13:01 GMT
I hope Mark's parcel delivery driver is not reading this thread - the poor sod's going to be delivering some big and heavy kit... |
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Post by ChrisM on Feb 6, 2020 12:34:43 GMT
I hope Mark's parcel delivery driver is not reading this thread - the poor sod's going to be delivering some big and heavy kit... LOL !! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 16:09:37 GMT
How much DOES that engine weigh and does it fit in a brown cardboard box? Minus casters.
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Post by LandieMark on Feb 6, 2020 16:35:36 GMT
About 500Kg, I believe. TDi weighs about 300 so I am told.
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 6, 2020 18:18:36 GMT
Wearing my Young Farmers / agricultural engineering hat I totally get this. I once had the idea to see if I could get a Perkins V8 diesel out of a combine into a Land Rover, but the idea never went beyond a few pub conversations.
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Post by LandieMark on Feb 6, 2020 21:14:46 GMT
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Post by johnc on Feb 7, 2020 7:54:42 GMT
I'm jealous that you have the time to play about with such a project. There is something inherently right about a massively powerful engine in something that was never designed for it. My manager's Dad (and grandad) used to own a bus and haulage company around Barnsley and he used to drive the trucks to and from the coal fields and other industries around that part of England and he still talks about the Cummins powered trucks and how they were a revelation when they first came on the market - fully laden, overtaking older trucks up steep hills in a desperate attempt to get one more run in before the tacho ran out of hours.
You will need to get some serious security if yours ends up looking as good as the one above - if anyone steals it no-one will catch it.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Feb 7, 2020 8:42:33 GMT
I really like that Keswick Green.
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Post by PetrolEd on Feb 7, 2020 9:12:55 GMT
Does the Cummins not just turn the LR into a truck though, I can't imagine it being a very pleasant driving experience. Would you not be better off and making it a much sweeter drive by chucking in an LS out of a Vette?
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Post by LandieMark on Feb 7, 2020 9:23:09 GMT
Cost is the issue with that and it requires a lot more engineering than this does.
And what's wrong with a truck? It will be doing 70 at 1200rpm.
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Post by Tim on Feb 7, 2020 9:30:26 GMT
The thought of doing 70 in a Defender fills me with fear!
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Post by LandieMark on Feb 7, 2020 9:36:03 GMT
My Black 90's comfort zone is 65mph. It will cruise there all day long and its possible to have a normal conversation. I keep all suspension, bushes and joints in tip top condition so it's very good to drive (for a Defender). The engine becomes raucous at much above that speed.
I had the Series III up to 70 and that was scary.
I intend to insulate the hell out of the new one.
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 7, 2020 12:28:29 GMT
I had my factory spec 110 V8 up to 94 once. The wheel wobble when I backed off was alarming. Never again...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2020 13:06:06 GMT
There is a guy in the village with a 90 hardtop. I know the sidewalls on the halfway house tyres are reasonable beefy but if he keeps kerbing them he will have a weak spot or two and a bulge in the sidewall. Perhaps he has enough money to not care.
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Post by Tim on Feb 7, 2020 13:34:48 GMT
The one I drove was a 110 station wagon, at that time it was 10 years old with 60k on the clock.
At 35 on a country road it felt as if it would eventually bounce you into a ditch, corners were nerve wracking and it felt most comfortable going down a rough dirt track to a colleague's house.
I nearly demolished a bush at the side of my drive due to the turning circle catching me out too.
I think it was well maintained - it was getting regular attention at the company's own garage!
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I would love something like that!
