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Dec 12, 2017 10:02:30 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 10:02:30 GMT
You can always tell who garages their cars overnight when it's like this. It amazes me how few do.
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Dec 12, 2017 10:53:13 GMT
Post by Boxer6 on Dec 12, 2017 10:53:13 GMT
You can always tell who has a garage their car will fit in overnight when it's like this. It amazes me how few do. FYP. |
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Dec 12, 2017 10:54:58 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 10:54:58 GMT
I don't want anyone having a Moondance with my car!
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Dec 12, 2017 11:10:11 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 12, 2017 11:10:11 GMT
You can always tell who garages their cars overnight when it's like this. It amazes me how few do. I've always avoided putting my car in the garage since a Volvo corrosion specialist told me that in their tests cars corroded quicker if they were put damp into a warm garage. Winter salt underneath made it even worse. It created the perfect environment for rust apparently. Alternatively, I'm just a lazy sod and can't be arsed to clear my garage out. |
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Dec 12, 2017 11:14:53 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 11:14:53 GMT
I'd hope that's rather less relevant today than it used to be. Apart from the car's safety and lower insurance costs, they also never need de-icing, suffer less thermal stress, get up to temperature more quickly. There must be a whole host of other benefits, so it seems a more than worthwhile trade-off to me.
That said, the garage rafters are full of a load of shit that'll probably only ever move when the undertakers have done with me. I'm storing some stuff for dad that I knew on day one would never see the light of day again...
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Dec 12, 2017 11:21:54 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 12, 2017 11:21:54 GMT
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Dec 12, 2017 11:25:06 GMT
Post by Martin on Dec 12, 2017 11:25:06 GMT
The Boxster lives in the garage, but the BMW wouldn’t fit, even if I cleared the other half out. I’d like to keep mine inside, but would rather keep the bikes, spare wheels etc in the garage than a shed.
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Dec 12, 2017 11:32:02 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 11:32:02 GMT
Your house is pretty new, isn't it? I'm surprised it's not big enough, though don't doubt you've checked. I got an A8 in ours, though wouldn't have fancied it without parking assistance.
Bob, if you are like me and don't tend to use the car in the snow (and obviously it never gets snowed upon because it's always in the garage), I still reckon garaging is best. Also keeps the pesky overnight rain off, which may well cumulatively be a bigger corrosion issue than snow by dint of sheer frequency. The guy from Leons (sic) is acknowledging that it's the liquid state that is the problem, and in which most chemistry is easier and is therefore more 'reactive'. |
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Dec 12, 2017 11:37:49 GMT
Post by racingteatray on Dec 12, 2017 11:37:49 GMT
The one thing I have noticed about my car living under a cover is how good the paint finish still looks, thanks presumably to being protected from the weathering effects of sun and pollution. Run fingers over the paintwork and it still feels silky-smooth to the touch. All it needs is a rinse and a once-over with some quick detailing spray and it gleams like new.
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Dec 12, 2017 11:43:37 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 12, 2017 11:43:37 GMT
Your house is pretty new, isn't it? I'm surprised it's not big enough, though don't doubt you've checked. I got an A8 in ours, though wouldn't have fancied it without parking assistance.
Bob, if you are like me and don't tend to use the car in the snow (and obviously it never gets snowed upon because it's always in the garage), I still reckon garaging is best. Also keeps the pesky overnight rain off, which may well cumulatively be a bigger corrosion issue than snow by dint of sheer frequency. Oh yes, if you only use it on warm dry days with dry, salt free roads then you're right. The problem with a damp car, especially one that has been driven, is that the garage creates a perfect micro climate for accelerated corrosion to occur. You get warmth from the engine, moisture, and salt in all the nooks and crannies under the car. It affects suspension components, electrics, exhausts etc. i just remember the Volvo guy explaining it to me and it's always stuck with me. |
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Dec 12, 2017 11:48:02 GMT
Post by Martin on Dec 12, 2017 11:48:02 GMT
Your house is pretty new, isn't it? I'm surprised it's not big enough, though don't doubt you've checked. I got an A8 in ours, though wouldn't have fancied it without parking assistance.
Bob, if you are like me and don't tend to use the car in the snow (and obviously it never gets snowed upon because it's always in the garage), I still reckon garaging is best. Also keeps the pesky overnight rain off, which may well cumulatively be a bigger corrosion issue than snow by dint of sheer frequency. It is, about 7 years old, but I think garages are getting smaller which makes no sense when cars are getting bigger. Its been a couple of years since I checked, but if remember correctly it would just fit on paper (with mirrors folded) but I do remember it being way too stressfull when I tried and that was the 520d which is a touch smaller. As racing has posted, keeping your car inside/under cover does make a huge difference to the pain finish over time. |
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Dec 12, 2017 11:51:45 GMT
Post by michael on Dec 12, 2017 11:51:45 GMT
I think a lot of people don't use a garage as, like me, they either don't have one, it's too small or by necessity it's full of over stuff.
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Dec 12, 2017 12:01:37 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 12, 2017 12:01:37 GMT
As racing has posted, keeping your car inside/under cover does make a huge difference to the pain finish over time. You're right - the ideal scenario is to keep your car in the garage during the summer to protect the paint from sunlight damage and outside in the winter to protect it from corrosion. |
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Dec 12, 2017 12:05:00 GMT
Post by Big Blue on Dec 12, 2017 12:05:00 GMT
My garage is for the motorbike. If I tried I could get the car in there too, and indeed have had visitor's cars in there with the bike. My car insurance is higher if I park in the garage as opposed to on the driveway: something to do with being able to bypass alarms and immobilisers unseen.
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Dec 12, 2017 12:35:36 GMT
Post by racingteatray on Dec 12, 2017 12:35:36 GMT
We went the whole hog and converted our garage into a kitchen. Given that we have the unutterable luxury (in central London) of three secure off-street parking spaces (plus visitor's spaces), a garage did seem a touch OTT (I hadn't encountered the foxes yet), and the house itself is pretty small, so gaining an additional room made total sense.
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Dec 12, 2017 12:51:19 GMT
Post by PetrolEd on Dec 12, 2017 12:51:19 GMT
I'm just about to convert the garage. Given that its a 60's house the Cayman is still too big for it to be really useful.
I don't think I know anyone who uses a garage for the car, the only ones who do use some cover are the more financially successful of my peers who have those oak barns.
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Dec 12, 2017 12:59:02 GMT
Post by Martin on Dec 12, 2017 12:59:02 GMT
Garages are still useful, I wouldn’t want to be without one, but I can see that it makes sense to convert if you don’t have sufficient space and don’t want to move. The House inn Swindon only had a single garage, but was well utilised even though the car didn’t go in it. It was detached so we couldn’t have done much else with it, although our neighbour converted the back half to an office leaving decent space for storage.
One of the key priorities the last time we were house hunting was a double garage and sufficient driveway space (width mainly) to ensure we didn’t have to move one car to get to the other and the tandem driveway I used to have drove me mad and I don’t like parking on the side of the road even outside the house.
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Dec 12, 2017 13:59:51 GMT
Post by grampa on Dec 12, 2017 13:59:51 GMT
Garage is the most important room in the house - I'd be more likely to consider converting the house into more garage than I would converting the garage into more house!
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Dec 12, 2017 14:01:07 GMT
Post by Tim on Dec 12, 2017 14:01:07 GMT
The house we had in Errol was built in 2009 and had a signle garage.
I put the M5 in there once to see but I would've struggled to get out and it was so far back that you wouldnt've been able to open the door to the garden so would've had to take the car out to get the bins through, etc.
Bear in mind that the E39 is the same size as a current 3 series.
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Dec 12, 2017 15:08:08 GMT
Post by alf on Dec 12, 2017 15:08:08 GMT
That looks like snowman building and staying at home weather. Don't know how you deal with the boys going home though! I think the best plan is to take them back tomorrow, I don’t fancy a 6-7 hour return journey which is what Google maps is suggesting at the moment. Just been out and the winter tyres are phenomenal. I decided on eco pro mode to soften the throttle and just drove straight up the hill, didn’t get any slip or TC at all! It’s compacted snow at the top where people have been struggling, but that wasn’t an issue either. Same coming back down the hill, it just stopped, no ABS or slip at all. I’ve caused quite the stir amongst the neighbours..... I was warned not to go out by a guy in an A6 Allroad when I was clearing the car off, he’d turned back as he’d been struggling. Lots of idiots out there, which is the biggest problem. SUVs going too quickly, people using way to much throttle and adding more when they’re stuck. A 3 Series X Drive couldn’t stop at a T Junction and came sliding out towards me. I avoided him, didn’t get any sort of apology, then he was spinning up the wheels (take a little while for the fronts to kick in) and following me too closely. Despite te all that, I really enjoyed it and am tempted to take the Boxster out for some fun, but I’m concerned about the idiots so probably won’t. Always the way... When we had the bad winters around 2010, I saw plenty of SUV's like XC90's either driving like twonks, or, memorably, crashing into a half-spun bus after being told not to drive down that hill... I get the feeling that it's lucky for full size Disco/Land Rover/Range Rover customers that they tend to come on slightly more snow-capable all terrain tyres than the more road- focused SUV's, as half of them seem to feel they have a point to prove when it snows or rains... No-one seems to get the tyres thing, at all, it's like magic when in a "normal" car makes good progress in snow... |
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Dec 12, 2017 16:08:00 GMT
Post by Roadrunner on Dec 12, 2017 16:08:00 GMT
We keep two cars in the garage most of the time, the Standard and the MINI. A dehumidifier maintains a reasonably even temperature and low humidity so everything remains in good nick - including the bikes, tools and other stuff which is in there.
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Dec 12, 2017 16:41:53 GMT
Post by Tim on Dec 12, 2017 16:41:53 GMT
We keep two cars in the garage most of the time, the Standard and the MINI. A dehumidifier maintains a reasonably even temperature and low humidity so everything remains in good nick - including the bikes, tools and other stuff which is in there. I thought dehumidifiers were inoperative at low temperatures, i.e. just when you really need them? |
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Dec 12, 2017 16:43:11 GMT
Post by Big Blue on Dec 12, 2017 16:43:11 GMT
No-one seems to get the tyres thing, at all, it's like magic when in a "normal" car makes good progress in snow... Yeah I don't understand this. Surely common sense will let us know that the bit in contact with the ground is the thing that makes the car grip properly - people wear skis and know that they slide where your climbing boots don't; people wear velcro and know that the hook bit grips the loop bit: why can't they work this out for cars? As to Martin's post: yes winter tyres will make any 4x4 look like Torville and Dean if that 4x4 is on summer tyres. I had a similar experience to his "causing a stir" when driving a German registered W124 320E in January in the UK during a bout of inclement weather in the mid '90s. No other car was moving at all. Big issue for me is if it snows where I live it's not worth trying due to the calamitous traffic if 5mm lands and it lasts 2-3 days at the very most in any given year. |
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Dec 12, 2017 18:28:56 GMT
Post by Stuntman on Dec 12, 2017 18:28:56 GMT
Each of my cars fits in my single garage, albeit pretty snugly widthwise for all of them and snugly lengthwise for the M3. My house was built in 1999 and I'm about the only person in my road who actually puts a car in their garage. I do have carpet tiles on the right hand wall, so that I can rest the driver's door on the tiles and get out. The buckets in the GT4 make this quite difficult!
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Dec 12, 2017 18:46:56 GMT
Post by Boxer6 on Dec 12, 2017 18:46:56 GMT
We keep two cars in the garage most of the time, the Standard and the MINI. A dehumidifier maintains a reasonably even temperature and low humidity so everything remains in good nick - including the bikes, tools and other stuff which is in there. I thought dehumidifiers were inoperative at low temperatures, i.e. just when you really need them? Regular ones don't work, it's true; the one I have in my garage freezes up from about 4C down. I asked about this at the old place, and TreVoR linked to a couple of machines that don't freeze. Sadly, I can't find them right now .. .. .. |
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Dec 12, 2017 19:41:53 GMT
Post by alf on Dec 12, 2017 19:41:53 GMT
Anyway, garages are for guinea pigs in the winter, and bikes in the summer...
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Dec 12, 2017 19:56:16 GMT
Post by LandieMark on Dec 12, 2017 19:56:16 GMT
I thought dehumidifiers were inoperative at low temperatures, i.e. just when you really need them? Regular ones don't work, it's true; the one I have in my garage freezes up from about 4C down. I asked about this at the old place, and TreVoR linked to a couple of machines that don't freeze. Sadly, I can't find them right now .. .. .. You need a dessicant dehumidifier as opposed to a refrigerator version. |
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Dec 12, 2017 20:21:01 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 20:21:01 GMT
Is there something like that dessicant dehumidifier for vehicle use? I am still getting water in Bess and as the holes have been fixed/no heater I need something remove the moisture.
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Dec 12, 2017 20:36:05 GMT
Post by LandieMark on Dec 12, 2017 20:36:05 GMT
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Dec 12, 2017 20:41:48 GMT
Post by Boxer6 on Dec 12, 2017 20:41:48 GMT
We have one of these in our porch, which gets very wet inside at this time of year as it isn't terribly wind-proof and we keep the door shut most of the time. We're in the middle of a mini-thaw at the moment, and it's having a lot of trouble keeping up with the level of water in there! I reckon it would handle the inside of Bess though, and it won't break the bank at that price. |
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