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Post by Martin on Oct 12, 2024 14:26:08 GMT
The man maths is percolating. Insurance is £1k cheaper (and due next month). Macan needs a service in Jan, this wouldn’t This has one year more warranty. So that’s surely £3k towards the difference, right? 🤪 No, that’s not man maths it’s normal maths. Man maths is adding £3k onto the cost of the Boxster to boost the budget further. You were already seriously considering spending the extra on the Boxster so that’s locked in. This is ‘extra’ and man maths means you can ignore the fact you’d save that by getting the cheaper car! |
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Oct 12, 2024 18:56:54 GMT
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 12, 2024 18:56:54 GMT
Essentials: reversing camera, at least BOSE, folding mirrors, heated seats, sunroof (on a 911), extended leather. Anti-fox coating. |
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Oct 13, 2024 9:55:08 GMT
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Post by franki68 on Oct 13, 2024 9:55:08 GMT
911s aren’t selling at the moment, in fact Porsches aren’t selling …40% drop in sales .The trade in price you have been offered is fantastic ,but you need to factor in whatever you buy will probably depreciate far more .
A boxster / cayman gts 4.0 is a safer place for your money than a 911 currently .
Good time to low ball an offer when looking at 911s.
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Oct 13, 2024 10:24:53 GMT
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Post by bryan on Oct 13, 2024 10:24:53 GMT
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Post by PetrolEd on Oct 13, 2024 13:29:14 GMT
911s aren’t selling at the moment, in fact Porsches aren’t selling …40% drop in sales .The trade in price you have been offered is fantastic ,but you need to factor in whatever you buy will probably depreciate far more . A boxster / cayman gts 4.0 is a safer place for your money than a 911 currently . Good time to low ball an offer when looking at 911s. 911’s just look expensive. A near 10 year old GTS for 80k is really strong money and I always think they should be 20k cheaper. |
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 13, 2024 13:31:26 GMT
911s aren’t selling at the moment, in fact Porsches aren’t selling …40% drop in sales .The trade in price you have been offered is fantastic ,but you need to factor in whatever you buy will probably depreciate far more . A boxster / cayman gts 4.0 is a safer place for your money than a 911 currently . Good time to low ball an offer when looking at 911s. Yes that Boxster GTS was c.£85k new and they want £76k after 9 months and 4.5k miles. The Macan was £78k new (albeit that’s now £85k) and based on the part-ex presumably retails around £75k after 22 months and 8.5k miles. |
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Post by Martin on Oct 13, 2024 14:10:32 GMT
It’s the Macan that is exceptional in terms of depreciation, helped by a couple of price hikes since you bought yours. The Boxster is still very good.
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Post by alf on Oct 14, 2024 9:20:36 GMT
Interesting thread I missed in York  That offer for the Macan is exceptional - if the car is somewhat additional to your needs, you have no major attachment to it, and it has costs coming up I'd take the cash if they meant that! I can't believe the nicely dressed Q5 is that much new let alone SH. I know some car people who have had them and, let's just say, were not that nice about them, but clearly they are well in demand. I wonder if there will be a slightly COVID-esque bump in SH prices of stuff that is late, ICE, and highly desirable, as our EV future sinks in. I saw a Cayman 4.0 GTS in York and mused that its pretty much the perfect useable car at non-crazy prices (non crazy for now anyway - still pretty crazy). Boxster or Cayman, it must be a contender. Personally I love the last couple of gens of 911's, even if the reviews are mixed at times. They are ferociously complex in terms of specs, you need to work out what you value and read the reviews with that in mind, some track focused back breaking thing is not ideal as a long distance cruiser/daily. I've seen videos by people really disappointed by what they got (a 911T in one case) down to spec choices, who quickly got rid and were happy with what to me looks similar. Research needed! Personally I'd sell a kidney to get a 992 or 991 targa, but that's just me... |
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Post by johnc on Oct 14, 2024 10:13:25 GMT
A client who currently runs a 992 Turbo had a 991 GTS previously and he found it just a bit too hard for everyday use. He loves his Turbo.
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Post by johnc on Oct 14, 2024 10:15:48 GMT
How exactly does a 4 year old car end up with 6 previous owners? Apart from that, I like it. |
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Post by Martin on Oct 14, 2024 10:32:19 GMT
The 992 needs the Sports Design Package (especially the convertible) to stop it looking too bulky at the rear.
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Post by alf on Oct 14, 2024 10:54:40 GMT
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Post by Tim on Oct 14, 2024 13:05:07 GMT
Fuck me that's horrible!! |
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Oct 14, 2024 13:45:11 GMT
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Post by bryan on Oct 14, 2024 13:45:11 GMT
How exactly does a 4 year old car end up with 6 previous owners? Apart from that, I like it. I found the same thing looking at the 440i , people seem to keep them a few months and move on....very odd |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 14, 2024 14:12:07 GMT
Fuck me that's horrible!! My first car was a Ford Escort in Riviera Blue so I have a soft spot for the colour but I'm not a fan of the Targa as it seem to make the car look like it has a large arse. When I first read this thread I thought it's no-brainer, Racing has a fully paid for, low mileage Macan, built to his spec - a model that is regularly coveted as probably the best SUV an enthusiast can buy. My sister has a new Macan GTS and I do admit to admiring it and idly flicking through Autotrader for something similar (obviously, I can't copy her though..  ). After seeing some of the options though I'm thoroughly confused as to which way I'd jump - it is a very tempting trade in offer. I do wonder though. if I lived in London, whether your traditional Porsche is the way I'd go - speed cameras, potholes, speed bumps, congestion etc. I'd probably end up keeping the Macan just for the higher seating position in traffic, and the added practicality. |
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 14, 2024 14:40:00 GMT
Fuck me that's horrible!! My first car was a Ford Escort in Riviera Blue so I have a soft spot for the colour but I'm not a fan of the Targa as it seem to make the car look like it has a large arse. When I first read this thread I thought it's no-brainer, Racing has a fully paid for, low mileage Macan, built to his spec - a model that is regularly coveted as probably the best SUV an enthusiast can buy. My sister has a new Macan GTS and I do admit to admiring it and idly flicking through Autotrader for something similar (obviously, I can't copy her though.. ). After seeing some of the options though I'm thoroughly confused as to which way I'd jump - it is a very tempting trade in offer. I do wonder though. if I lived in London, whether your traditional Porsche is the way I'd go - speed cameras, potholes, speed bumps, congestion etc. I'd probably end up keeping the Macan just for the higher seating position in traffic, and the added practicality. You are reading my mind. We went to Suffolk for the weekend to visit my mother as it was her birthday. Certainly the sort of trip that rams home the advantages of something like a Macan GTS: - just chuck everything in without regard to amount - wellies, spare coats, wine, whatever. We brought back some china my mother no longer wanted; - carrying more than two adults in comfort not an issue; - weather was generally filthy on Saturday and the Macan is imperious in that sort of weather; - quiet, comfy and relaxing (relaxing also in the sense of utterly effortless performance) transport up and down the motorway with ok economy (c.30mpg both ways); - as we near home, speed humps, what speed humps? I think the main issue is having c.£70k tied up in a car that doesn't get much use. I think I'd rather go back to having a car worth sort of half that. So if Porsche were offering to just take it off me for £68k, I'd be tempted to bite their hand off. Swapping it for a Boxster/Cayman/GTS is less easy to decide. |
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 14, 2024 14:42:11 GMT
Equally we used to manage go up to Suffolk in the Z1, albeit not in winter, and my mother has a perfectly serviceable 5-seater car we can use to get around in if more than two-up...
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Post by PetrolEd on Oct 14, 2024 15:50:24 GMT
A Cayman has a lot of boot space to be fair.
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 14, 2024 16:40:04 GMT
A Cayman has a lot of boot space to be fair. I think it has the same amount of boot space as a Boxster. 150 litres in the nose and 120 litres in the back. Which is the same as our 5dr Mini, but less usable as split into two smaller spaces. |
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Post by Martin on Oct 14, 2024 17:04:42 GMT
A Cayman has a lot of boot space to be fair. I think it has the same amount of boot space as a Boxster. 150 litres in the nose and 120 litres in the back. Which is the same as our 5dr Mini, but less usable as split into two smaller spaces. It has more space because you can get small bags / suit carrier etc on top of the engine in the space where the roof sits on the Boxster. The front boot will fit 2 x decent size carry on cases with space to spare, if you look on the websites that make tailored luggage they say you can get a 65 litre trolley case + 48 litre bag in the front which is pretty good and slightly more than you'd fit in a 991 front boot. But that has a lot of space on the folded rear seats and shelf behind. Not the best example, but you get the idea  |
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Post by Alex on Oct 14, 2024 18:26:06 GMT
So if Porsche think giving you £68k is a good idea, I'm presuming it's because they think they can put it up for somewhere around 80k and probably get at least 78k for it. Thus if the temptation of the deal is because, as great as it is, you just don't use it enough to justify it and would rather not have the cash tied up, have you considered selling it privately? Not on AT but perhaps through Collecting Cars or someone similar. Factoring in you'd get less than a main dealer would for it and pay a bit of commission you're probably still going to end up with the 68k but in cash rather than a gift card at the local Porsche centre.
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Post by Martin on Oct 14, 2024 18:48:28 GMT
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 14, 2024 22:43:47 GMT
It is also orange.
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Post by bryan on Oct 15, 2024 4:17:56 GMT
What does Motorway value your car at? Close to the dealers?
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Post by Martin on Oct 15, 2024 5:54:38 GMT
Not to everyones taste, but that’s not going to knock thousands off the value. |
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Post by alf on Oct 15, 2024 8:13:57 GMT
No, I'd not rule it out for a start, if I was looking for a Macan!
It sounds like Porsche can shift all the Macans they could, at good money, but are starting to struggle on the 911 and higher end Cayman front.... I wonder if the market is disagreeing with the price-gouging all OEM's are carrying out on popular ICE models. Maybe the £100k base 911 is not a thing, in the eyes of the market. EV residuals are tragic, to the extent is ruining various leasing companies. Perhaps that is spreading.
I also can't help feeling this may be related to the lack of cheap credit, which won't be changing any time soon. How Racing buys cars, is not how most of these are shifted..... People were buying high end 911's on credit without proper controls, as the values were going up. Now credit is a lot more, and I rather suspect affordability is being checked out more....
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Post by Martin on Oct 15, 2024 9:43:14 GMT
I’m not surprised if new 911 sales are dropping, high interest rates won’t help, but if I spec a standard Carrera I get to c£125k (nice spec, but not too crazy) and £150k for a GTS (bare minimum spec), which is a lot but everything has gone up.
I haven’t noticed used 911 sales slowing, decent priced / specced cars drop off my saved list every day.
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Post by Tim on Oct 15, 2024 12:56:33 GMT
A couple of years ago a friend bought an ex-demo 911 Carrera (I think) 4 and when he visited recently he was bemoaning the lack of a couple of 'basic' creature comforts, from memory no heated seats or folding mirrors.
Apparently these things are extra on a 911 although whatever genius specced it at the dealership added double red stitching which appears to be a reasonably pricey option for what it is.
This is on a £120k car.
I think as a used buy the potential for weird and craply specced cars costing £100k plus would be a concern as the German marques in particular often appear to be very sensitive to what options they have.
Its clear SUVs are where the market is at so in Racing's position if I were considering a swap for a Cayman/Boxster I'd be going in hard on the price to change - sadly there's a reason hardly anybody offers coupes any more
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Post by Boxer6 on Oct 15, 2024 13:39:57 GMT
A couple of years ago a friend bought an ex-demo 911 Carrera (I think) 4 and when he visited recently he was bemoaning the lack of a couple of 'basic' creature comforts, from memory no heated seats or folding mirrors. Apparently these things are extra on a 911 although whatever genius specced it at the dealership added double red stitching which appears to be a reasonably pricey option for what it is. This is on a £120k car. I think as a used buy the potential for weird and craply specced cars costing £100k plus would be a concern as the German marques in particular often appear to be very sensitive to what options they have. Its clear SUVs are where the market is at so in Racing's position if I were considering a swap for a Cayman/Boxster I'd be going in hard on the price to change - sadly there's a reason hardly anybody offers coupes any more Not germane to the thread I know, but mine doesn't have electrically folding mirrors at all, never mind them being automatic. Not had a car in the last 15 years that it wasn't at least a manually-operated option. |
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Post by Martin on Oct 15, 2024 14:39:32 GMT
A couple of years ago a friend bought an ex-demo 911 Carrera (I think) 4 and when he visited recently he was bemoaning the lack of a couple of 'basic' creature comforts, from memory no heated seats or folding mirrors. Apparently these things are extra on a 911 although whatever genius specced it at the dealership added double red stitching which appears to be a reasonably pricey option for what it is. This is on a £120k car. I think as a used buy the potential for weird and craply specced cars costing £100k plus would be a concern as the German marques in particular often appear to be very sensitive to what options they have. Its clear SUVs are where the market is at so in Racing's position if I were considering a swap for a Cayman/Boxster I'd be going in hard on the price to change - sadly there's a reason hardly anybody offers coupes any more The standard spec is better than it used to be, not enough to justify the price increases but at least you get the basics plus a bit more (folding mirrors, heated seats, heated wheel, voodoo lights, reversing camera, keyless entry, wireless charging, dimming exterior mirrors etc). It’s pretty easy to find a decent one imo. |
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). After seeing some of the options though I'm thoroughly confused as to which way I'd jump - it is a very tempting trade in offer. I do wonder though. if I lived in London, whether your traditional Porsche is the way I'd go - speed cameras, potholes, speed bumps, congestion etc. I'd probably end up keeping the Macan just for the higher seating position in traffic, and the added practicality. 
