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Post by bryan on May 24, 2024 7:07:10 GMT
I've seen a BMW in a very unusual spec and am currently weighing up the options. So some of this post is me rambling and trying to clarify my own thoughts and I welcome input.
I'm a sucker for a leather interior and I've found a very high spec (assuming the 'Golden Brown' interior is not Oompa loopa in reality) 4 series convertible - it has everything I'd want (except Blind Spot/360 cameras) but important boxes ticked like Adaptive lights. And full leather than I only thought you could get on the M4
To fund it the 928 and Audi S4 would have to go - the 928 I like but realistically It hasn't had much use since I got it and the long road trips I had envisaged are more likely to happen in a 440 than it, if Mrs M is going to come along. I love the Audi and don't want to sell it but don't really need 2 4 seat convertibles and the 440 would be a better companion for the UP eg I could see us travelling to Kent in it at the weekend rather than the Yeti which would only happen under duress in the S4
Thinning out the cars would also leave room for an L322 at some point down the road
The car looks great but i think the trader is taking the piss with the price - he is ex BMW main dealer and is pricing as such - but find me another in that spec Shame as it is I think I am more 440i than M4.
So some questions for the BMW afficiandos Am I missing something in the advert - it looks like full history, not worried about pre LCI , pre GPF is a good thing
Does a BMW 440 really get as high as 40mpg on a run? Are run flats bad? I thinkI can still get a BMW warranty for it - are they good ie no quibble. That would be nice rather than thinking do i have to budget for £4k timing Chains on the S4 (they are currently quiet)
Anything to look out for on this engine/F33 series?
The sensible head says let the dealer sit on it and hope it doesn't sell/price comes down to a more realistic level whilst trying to sell the 928. The impulse side says crack open an ISA
It all maybe moot if Tanzanite blue turns out to be Doom blue with an Oompa Loopa interior rather than a nice metallic blue with Tan
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Post by Tim on May 24, 2024 8:02:54 GMT
I don't think its extortionate although my browsing has been for coupes/saloons/estates rather than convertibles. I expect the latter to be more expensive in the run up to summer?
I've not seen one with that interior and I suspect you'll need to see it in person. Tanzanite blue is a lovely colour and still offered by BM, my local dealer has a brand new M3 estate in that colour. It'll look a bit doomy on a dull winter day but its great in the sun.
Runflats aren't awful from memory but I've been running my 430d on Michelin Sport 4s for the last 3 years or so. Tyre places don't like runflats though!
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Post by johnc on May 24, 2024 8:07:48 GMT
The BMW extended warranty is only available if the car has been/is BMW dealer serviced but it is largely a no quibble warranty except for their list of wear and tear items. I have an extended warranty booklet with the terms and conditions I can forward to you. If the current owner hasn't taken the BMW extended warranty I am not sure how easy it is to take it out for a subsequent owner. You could probably call them but I think it is only valid up to 10 years old.
The tyres are Bridgestone S001 runflats which are the best riding runflats I have used but they are still harder than non runflats. My 435D had adaptive suspension and in comfort it was quite acceptable. The non adaptive suspension is a little bit firmer but I would hope the ride would still be reasonable. Those tyres are also original equipment which would indicate that the car has been well looked after with original parts fitted.
Tanzanite blue is a great colour especially in the sun. However when dirty and on a grey day, like most colours, it doesn't stand out particularly but it's one of my favourites.
The leather is a marmite colour. Susan hates it and I quite like it, so I would make sure you take Mrs M with you if you go to look at it.
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Post by Martin on May 24, 2024 8:20:19 GMT
As a principle, it makes sense to replace a car(s) you don’t use much with one you would, although letting the 928 go can’t be easy.
That’s a good spec, just a shame it’s missing adaptive suspension and the leather is too much for me, but better than one of the standard ones. Tanzanite blue is a fantastic colour but apparently it’s quite soft so easy to get swirls and takes a lot of looking after. It does look expensive though, I’d hold off and see how quickly it comes down, but appreciate the right spec won’t come along often.
To answer some of your questions, I’m sure it would do 40mpg; it will sound better than an LCI car; as John says, they are runflats but BMW * rated which is a positive imo;
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Post by bryan on May 24, 2024 8:27:05 GMT
Thanks John, it was giving me a quote on the BMW warranty page - about £500/year. It does have full BMW history
MOT history clear except rear tyres worn to cords at 12k miles, could they perish in 3 years or misalignment?
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Post by Tim on May 24, 2024 8:46:59 GMT
Don't runflats have quite a hard compound? I got something like 30k+ miles out of them on my 320d although that was 4wd and clearly not as powerful or torquey as a 440i. It was usually driven quite enthusuastically though
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Post by chipbutty on May 24, 2024 8:52:31 GMT
Do you specifically want a convertible 4 series , or is it the spec that's caught your eye.
Convertible + run flats + lots of power = scuttle shake, wobble and rattle.
I like the interior colour and the full extended leather.
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Post by bryan on May 24, 2024 10:17:10 GMT
Do you specifically want a convertible 4 series , or is it the spec that's caught your eye. Convertible + run flats + lots of power = scuttle shake, wobble and rattle. I like the interior colour and the full extended leather. It is an interesting question - a bit of both really, I've been looking at M4 to get the spec (I like the full cow) but don't really need the complexity/image of one
The F33 4 Series is a good looking car and ticks a lot of practical boxes (new enough to be reliable, old enough not to have touch screens but a good kit count)
I think something we could go on longer trips in, with a reasonable amount of space with an interesting engine but doesn't cost a fortune
The Audi S4 is ideal and an option is to retain that - but mrs M isn't so much of a fan which meant it doesn't get used as much as it could
Turning 50 next year i have notions of Aston Vantage convertible but the running costs scare me
I like the idea of a 997/991 convertible but a little less practical
What ever I get I am planning on keeping it and the Up for some time as new cars don't really do it for me anymore . I need physical controls, prefer narrower vehicles - all of which starts rulling out anything late teens onwards
Can you switch out runflats for normal tyres or isn't that possible?
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Post by PetrolEd on May 24, 2024 10:29:27 GMT
If your not using the 928 and no doubt this would be a better long term bet then the Audi I would make the swap.
I love the leather interior in the pics but I'm not sure as to why the original owner didn't spec some dark wood over the silver trim but thats the only thing.
From experience of our old M-sport touring on 19's with RFT's was a hideous ride. Hit a pothole and the entire car felt like it would explode. I'd change over to normal tyres when they are due.
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Post by johnc on May 24, 2024 11:10:11 GMT
Thanks John, it was giving me a quote on the BMW warranty page - about £500/year. It does have full BMW history MOT history clear except rear tyres worn to cords at 12k miles, could they perish in 3 years or misalignment? My tyres lasted over 18K before I replaced them but I was 4WD. My rears were the ones which were down to about 2.5mm but the fronts were fine. Being 4wd though I had to change them all! You can fit normal tyres without any issues but you would need to carry a pump and some gunk just in case.
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Post by bryan on May 24, 2024 11:13:27 GMT
He did mention the rears were wearing in the inside edge, can you replace rft with normal in pairs or is it all four?
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Post by johnc on May 24, 2024 11:22:30 GMT
He did mention the rears were wearing in the inside edge, can you replace rft with normal in pairs or is it all four? I think you probably can but I wouldn't want to do it. There is a difference in the way RFT and normal tyres work with much harder sidewalls for the RFT. I would think that could cause some handling issues.
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Post by Tim on May 24, 2024 11:27:28 GMT
He did mention the rears were wearing in the inside edge, can you replace rft with normal in pairs or is it all four? I think you probably can but I wouldn't want to do it. There is a difference in the way RFT and normal tyres work with much harder sidewalls for the RFT. I would think that could cause some handling issues. I would query why the inside shoulder is wearing - I've not had that on either of my F3X cars. The current one (rwd) is wearing evenly across the tread.
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Post by alf on May 24, 2024 11:48:18 GMT
I mean it sounds like you just need a Giulia QF to me?
I think the price is fine and the dealer may well stick to their guns with an unusual spec. I love the leather and the better spec softer stuff (standard BMW leather being like Elephant's skin) is not that common on 3/4 series, not sure if memory seats are standard but they are always sought after, as is the (very good) HK stereo.
While their folding hard tops are not my fave, all flavours of 440i seem a great proposition. Yes you'll get 35-40 MPG on a run, and RFT are a lot better than they were, even tyre reviewers seem to think so. You can get the much newer Turanza in a RFT, S001's are old (I have RE050 on the rear of the Boxster, soon to be replaced, old spec tyres feel old, buy the newer models). Our 2020 330e Touring rides very well indeed and is on budget RFT on 19" rims. It also rides silently over the harshest roads, the Alfa and Boxster have things to say at times. If you don't like them, you can stick normal tyres on wheels designed for RFT (you can't do the reverse). Don't mix them either.
If our 2020 one is anything to go by, the materials quality is not amazing, the screen/MMI is however very good. The digital dash thing and HUD on ours both wind me up, despite me really wanting them both when looking at 440iGC's myself (ironically I far preferred the normal 440i looks, but disregarded it for having 4 seats, before buying a Qf with.... 4 seatbelts). Both dash and HUD are too bright for me, and display too much info which is too bright. I cull it down on the HUD but still when navigating it blinds me with turn instructions. The analogue dash on this one is nicer in my book.
You've mentioned a fair few cars on here. My only issues with the QF are: its too refined if anything for short local drives, and you need to be doing warp speed to really enjoy it. Those are both modern car irks in general - something like a 997 is going to be much, much more special to drive in normal use, just much more expensive to run (not when you consider depreciation though) and probably less dependable... This 440 may be too quiet/comfortable/sensible for you?
PS I want a go in the 928!!!!
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on May 24, 2024 12:04:46 GMT
I think that leather will look good in the real life. Leather always seems to photograph brighter on camera.
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Post by Blarno on May 24, 2024 13:01:35 GMT
Runflats are the work of Hitler, Stalin, Satan and Saddam Hussein combined. First thing I got rid of on my 3330d. I reckon you'd be lucky to see an actual measured 40mpg from a 440i.
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Post by racingteatray on May 24, 2024 13:21:24 GMT
A little late to this.
440i sounds better than an M4 - more classic BMW straight six snarls and yowls than the M4 which merely sounds loud and angry by comparison 440i definitely does 40+mpg on a run Servicing costs cheaper than an M4 Worth adding an MPPSK if you can still find one in stock The leather is less Katie Price in real life. Tanzanite looks great. Lack of adaptive not an issue - take it to Birds and get them to overhaul the suspension. Tyres - changing to PS4s transformed mine but wear was never an issue I'd have to change that horrid aluminium interior trim, but that's personal taste
Also I don't think the price seems that ambitious does it?
When my 440i was sold 15 months ago, it was stickered at £23,995, despite being (fractionally) higher mileage, not a convertible, and a lower spec - the only things mine had going for it over that one was being a 1-owner car. and having the MPPSK. I'm not saying they got £24k for it, but the price doesn't look especially off.
And, as you say, try finding another with that spec and apparent condition.
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Post by chipbutty on May 24, 2024 18:44:41 GMT
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Post by bryan on May 24, 2024 19:44:08 GMT
I think an 8 series would be nicer than a 6 but both a bit too big for me. I test drive this tonight and had a test sit in an M4 cab...my impressions were www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202405169776485Merino is definitely the best leather from a smell, touch and lifting the cabin. M4 makes a lot of noise, the 440 sounded way better and had a nice snarl on start up...the upgrade must sound naughty 440 rode well on Michelin pilot sports, great driving position and nice balance between refined and scalded cat. Roof makes a good old clonk hiding in the boot! So ruled out M4 but still much want for 440, I need to visit Cheltenham Ps can you turn HUD off fully if specified? What functions can you assign to the 1-8 buttons? Just radio channels?
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Post by Martin on May 24, 2024 21:18:52 GMT
You can switch the HUD off in BMWs, although I’m not sure why you would you want to.
You can assign loads of things, from opening sub menus to selecting individual options or settings. eg switching off the HUD….
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Post by Andy C on May 24, 2024 21:37:44 GMT
I like that colour on the convertible , really suits it
Great spec too
I’ve never been in that version M3/4, but it has a dual clutch box whereas the 40i has the 8 speed ZF. The ZF is really smooth and quick and works really well with the 40i engine. I think the dual clutch can be quite jerky unless you’re really on it.
A mate had an M140i and the engine is superb - it sounds great , it’s really flexible (torquey low down but revs hard too) and you defo will get over 40mpg on a long run.
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Post by bryan on May 25, 2024 3:56:50 GMT
You can switch the HUD off in BMWs, although I’m not sure why you would you want to. You can assign loads of things, from opening sub menus to selecting individual options or settings. eg switching off the HUD…. Ageing eyes concerned about glare at night, probably not an issue
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Post by bryan on May 25, 2024 3:58:11 GMT
Is the 3.0 a chain or belt? Ie should I be worrying about cambelt changes?
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Post by Martin on May 25, 2024 6:18:27 GMT
You can switch the HUD off in BMWs, although I’m not sure why you would you want to. You can assign loads of things, from opening sub menus to selecting individual options or settings. eg switching off the HUD…. Ageing eyes concerned about glare at night, probably not an issue Probably not. You can adjust the brightness right down and it dims at night anyway. If it’s the same as the 7 series, you can also select a simplified display if needed.
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Post by Roadrunner on May 25, 2024 8:49:04 GMT
That looks like a lovely car. I would need to swap the aluminium for wood, but otherwise as good as you will probably ever find.
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Post by Boxer6 on May 25, 2024 20:28:06 GMT
That looks like a lovely car. I would need to swap the aluminium for wood, but otherwise as good as you will probably ever find. Same. If it weren't for the need of an estate, I would snap that up in a minute! Then regret it, as my 20d is returning 52+mpg on a gentle burble round the Highlands this past couple of days!
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Post by bryan on May 26, 2024 6:38:58 GMT
Off to go and look at it today. I can't help feeling something like this is better value . The spec is coming at a significant premium www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202405209903558How bad is the gpf post 18, I know worse sound but seems to be worse mpg too?
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Post by racingteatray on May 26, 2024 10:51:34 GMT
Off to go and look at it today. I can't help feeling something like this is better value . The spec is coming at a significant premium www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202405209903558How bad is the gpf post 18, I know worse sound but seems to be worse mpg too? I wouldn't have necessarily have gone to see that. Somehow the Dakota leather looks at its cheapest when black - the coloured choices at least add some visual variety. Also I hear the standard headlights on the LCI model are a bit pants.
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Post by racingteatray on May 26, 2024 10:57:42 GMT
Off to go and look at it today. I can't help feeling something like this is better value . The spec is coming at a significant premium www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202405209903558How bad is the gpf post 18, I know worse sound but seems to be worse mpg too? Honestly having looked at the selection on Autotrader, I don't think Katie is looking overpriced to me. I would go and see it - it will hinge on the condition. If it looks loved and not too orange, I'd say it was worth it.
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Post by bryan on May 26, 2024 14:01:01 GMT
I saw it today, great spec, it didn't look too orange, but the trim seems to mark easily with an unfortunate white underlayer. So the seats around the release handles, door pulls and window switches had scuffs and scratches. Similarly the wheels were starting to tarnish around the centres and the paint has a curious orange peel effect but a great colour.. It drove nicely but had a feeling of it could look very shabby and feel it's age quite quickly. The main disappointment was the smell that the black merino leather had in the M4 wasn't there. That had a really strong premium ambience, it maybe because the roof was open but nothing stirred the senses,which was my biggest disappointment. I will think on it but at the premium price I was expecting something which wore it's miles as lightly as the Up! It definitely needs 2 tyres (4 for not rft) and a wheel refurb. I think there are better ones out there as there is no rush. My current thought is to get something with Dakota and switch the seats for the good leather from an m4.
It was a dull day so hopefully a better colour illustration
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