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Post by Big Blue on Jan 18, 2023 16:32:25 GMT
Blimey. You'll need to change from "Racingteatray" to "The Fulham Flipper" as a forum penalty. Or the Peckham Pouncer One of my favourite episodes, but Racing is deffo a Fulham-ite, known as “Cottagers” in football-speak. That has totally different connotations…..
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Post by LandieMark on Jan 18, 2023 17:08:22 GMT
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 18, 2023 17:21:21 GMT
Thanks all. Let’s see how it pans out.
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Post by Andy C on Jan 18, 2023 18:09:30 GMT
One of my favourite episodes, but Racing is deffo a Fulham-ite, known as “Cottagers” in football-speak. That has totally different connotations….. BLOSSOM
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Post by bryan on Jan 18, 2023 18:09:41 GMT
I think it is a wise decision but would take the OPC cash offer (or see if the supplying dealer will beat it) and avoid any of the SoR sites - also if the 'cost of living' continues to bite the market for £90k SUVs could shrink so sooner rather than later would be my advice
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Post by Andy C on Jan 18, 2023 18:13:11 GMT
Sounds like the right decision Racing, my lovely
The 4 is a great looking car with a fantastic engine.
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Post by PG on Jan 19, 2023 14:15:39 GMT
Sensible and it seems the right decision. Definitely take the best OPC deal you can and avoid SoR. We got a Mini and I sold the Jag two years later. But I think your get a Mini and make a profit on a new Macan beats that by miles and miles.
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Post by Martin on Jan 19, 2023 14:35:40 GMT
My local OPC has what looks like a very similar spec / list price GTS. It's a couple of months old (but not listed as a demonstrator), but based on the margins they usually want, I'd guess they paid around list for it. It suggests the offers you've been given are pretty fair and there's a risk of not getting more than £90k through SOR, especially if it doesn't sell very quickly. There are a few 6-7 month old ex demo cars being advertised for around list price now as well which won't help. As we know, that's the equivalent of a £10k bonus for someone....! finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsche-macan-gts-preowned-KW0WED
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Post by Alex on Jan 21, 2023 12:59:10 GMT
That is a stroke of luck. What a nice easy way to make £5k. I'd take the cash as its guaranteed and I can see the market for cars qt this price point taking a hit this year as those who've been buying cars on cheap monthly deals find that their monthly DD doesn't get you as much metal for your money as it used to. SoR is a gamble but you could make even more money but if you don't need the cash the risk is probably a bit too much for now. If other dealers have similar vehicles for around 85k it's a stretch to think someone will bite your arm off to pay 90k for yours.
If the OPC does a deal with you will you even drive it or will it just get delivered straight to them?
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 21, 2023 15:28:42 GMT
Prices do seem to be softening, so let’s see where it ends up.
I mean, financially speaking, I could keep it. It’s just a bit OTT.
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Post by Martin on Jan 21, 2023 16:46:18 GMT
Never has a thread title been more appropriate!
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 21, 2023 20:58:11 GMT
Indeed!
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Post by Stuntman on Jan 22, 2023 13:01:43 GMT
Another vote for taking the outright sale option, sooner rather than later.
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Post by Big Blue on Jan 23, 2023 17:13:35 GMT
I mean, financially speaking, I could keep it. It’s just a bit OTT. Can’t possibly OTT for your profession. One of my fellow club members lives in London, works the circuit as well as being KC and drives about in a new Continental Drophead. Might manage 100 miles a month even doing to and from I reckon.
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Post by Stuntman on Jan 23, 2023 20:38:35 GMT
Agreed, definitely not OTT. It's not exactly a Urus or Cullinan or whatever.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2023 21:05:39 GMT
I must be tired, I read ^ as citrus and segway'd into the Sean Connery bathroom freshener meme. I spotted the error while I was writing this but had to "Got news for You" or "University challenge".
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 26, 2023 22:49:52 GMT
I’m having a wobble. Lots of people saying I’d be mad not to keep it because between rocketing RRPs and APRs, it’ll never be this affordable again…and one lives only once…
Argh.
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Post by Big Blue on Jan 27, 2023 9:31:55 GMT
I’m having a wobble. Lots of people saying I’d be mad not to keep it because between rocketing RRPs and APRs, it’ll never be this affordable again…and one lives only once… Argh. I’m with that mindset. Can’t take it with you / only live once / anything to make your time here more pleasant. So can’t wait to see your numberplate on it.
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Post by franki68 on Jan 27, 2023 9:33:37 GMT
I’m having a wobble. Lots of people saying I’d be mad not to keep it because between rocketing RRPs and APRs, it’ll never be this affordable again…and one lives only once… Argh. They are cracking cars ,in fact I may be replacing the cayenne with the regular ‘s’ . What Will you enjoy more ,the 5k profit or driving a macan gts ? And yes life is way too short not to do this sort of thing .
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Post by Martin on Jan 27, 2023 9:45:59 GMT
I agree with the mindset that life is too short / you only live once etc, but we're talking about an SUV not a supercar. Why not keep the 440i (which I think you've said is better to drive than a Macan anyway?) and use what you are saving each month plus £5k profit to get something more interesting/exciting?
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Post by PetrolEd on Jan 27, 2023 9:49:06 GMT
Only question is are you going to look back in a years time and regret your decision not keeping it. With your mindset you'll still be in the 440i in 5 years time as you can't get excited about anything. Nothing wrong with that but I bet you'll be a bit miffed about it. What's the depreciation like v the BMW? Poles apart in value but probably not that different in real terms.
If you don't like it in a years time and 10,000miles they'll still be fetching near list and you can get out of it easily.
If you don't get he Macan what have you got your eyes on? If nothing then get it bought.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 27, 2023 10:54:53 GMT
I agree with the mindset that life is too short / you only live once etc, but we're talking about an SUV not a supercar. Why not keep the 440i (which I think you've said is better to drive than a Macan anyway?) and use what you are saving each month plus £5k profit to get something more interesting/exciting? Parking/ garage space permitting I would agree with this. Something for UK weekends away, such as a 911 or a classic Benz SL.
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Post by johnc on Jan 27, 2023 11:10:27 GMT
I think we are in a bit of a price bubble just now for cars due to the shortage of chips and the long lead times for supply.
The current pricing of cars is unsustainable. A colleague's wife has a VW Polo which she got new about 2 and a half years ago for around £16K. The current equivalent is £25K so she is just keeping her old car and has absolutely no intention of paying £25K for a replacement. Joe Achilles did a recent review on his time with an M340i Touring and the price of that has also gone up by more than £10K in the same timeframe.
The manufacturers are going to see a massive fall in demand for new cars because not only have the list prices increased significantly but the discounts have virtually disappeared.
I am not sure how it will all play out - maybe we will have several years of large pay increases which will catch up with the car prices or maybe new car registrations will shrink significantly and dealerships will close. One way or another I don't think what we are seeing in the market just now is going to be here for the long term.
So what does Racing do? In terms of value, I think the Macan GTS is pretty good. A new M5 is now well over £100K which makes the Macan appear very good value. Even compared to the likes of a Boxster GTS, the Macan offers much more for the family and about as much performance as you can reasonably use on the road for a similar price. Porsche's finance rates takes a bit of the shine off but if you have the funds, you can always make a few additional payments to reduce the impact. I think they are currently 10.8% apr for new cars which is really taking the p*ss and would make me think more than twice because I hate feeling that I have been fleeced. Interest rates will come down so Porsche are just milking it.
I have just seen someone who is currently paying c£1,800/mth for his 18mth old Porsche 911 Turbo. We needed some documentation for the car and he says that since he asked for it, the Sales Manager hasn't been off the phone, trying to get him in to the 992.2 Turbo at over £2,400/mth There has been a price increase but a large proportion is due to the increase in interest rates. He just feels they have crossed a line and he is going to keep his car for a few more years now. I think a lot of other buyers might do the same so new car sales will really fall. Given that this individual has gone Cayman, Cayman S, Cayman GTS, 911, 911S, 911GTS, Turbo over about 12 years, Porsche and other manufacturers need to be careful.
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Post by Martin on Jan 27, 2023 11:47:51 GMT
The market has started to soften, but not on everything so there is still some way to go. On that basis, I'd only buy something I really want and can get excited about. I wouldn't even have to think twice, there is no way I'd pay 10.8% APR for anything, it really would feel like theft. I've bought the last 3 cars with cash and it makes even more sense to do so now, if I didn't/don't have it available then I'd stick with what I have. You can still get £20k off a new M5, so under £100k, but when you can get a 72 plate car for £80k it's not a car I'd want to buy new. It might be just me, but I think it's a step up from a Macan in a number of ways, so on purchase price alone is better value, as is the X3M40i at £60k looking the other way. But you don't go into the purchase of an £80k+ car with value as a priority! The answer to the question is to stop listening to what other people think you should/shouldn't do as everyone priorities are different and make your own decision. Then sell the 'gussied up truck' and buy a sports car!
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Post by franki68 on Jan 27, 2023 14:50:14 GMT
10.8 % ? I have just been testing a few cars and Jaguar and bmw are talking about 12.8% (I don't finance anyway but these are insane ). BMW dealer said he was dead in November and Dec but things are picking up and the showroom was pretty busy.
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Post by Martin on Jan 27, 2023 15:03:57 GMT
10.8 % ? I have just been testing a few cars and Jaguar and bmw are talking about 12.8% (I don't finance anyway but these are insane ). BMW dealer said he was dead in November and Dec but things are picking up and the showroom was pretty busy. BMW used car finance has always been up around that level. It was cheaper to buy a new 535d estate on PCP than a used 530d back in 2014.
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Post by johnc on Jan 27, 2023 15:39:00 GMT
Some of the M cars and the 8 series are on 4.9% apr at the moment for new cars.
How anyone can afford 12% interest on a PCP is beyond me. Running it through my spreadsheet a £25,000 car over 4 years with £2,500 down and an £8,000 balloon payment would cost £466.83/mth and the amount of interest paid would be £8,374.74!
The same car and deposit on HP would be £591.98/mth with £6,507.01 interest charged over the period.
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Post by Martin on Jan 27, 2023 15:46:46 GMT
It's shocking isn't it!! Topical example. £13,625 interest on a basic Macan S, which means you're paying nearly 25% more than the list price....
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 27, 2023 17:56:46 GMT
Fortunately, I asked for a finance quote when I placed the order a year ago and that locked me in 6.4% APR.
I was pretty unimpressed with that at the time but now it looks competitive (and much cheaper than what Porsche currently want!).
My monthlies would be £520-ish on a 48m deal for a car listing at £79k.
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Post by Martin on Jan 27, 2023 18:13:18 GMT
Fortunately, I asked for a finance quote when I placed the order a year ago and that locked me in 6.4% APR. I was pretty unimpressed with that at the time but now it looks competitive (and much cheaper than what Porsche currently want!). My monthlies would be £520-ish on a 48m deal for a car listing at £79k. Plus deposit! I’d guess it is over £900 a month in total.
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