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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jun 4, 2023 20:37:46 GMT
£85k, £87k, or £97k, it is indeed an eye-watering amount for something little bigger than a golf inside. A T-Roc is much better value-for-money ; A T-Cross is better value still Scratch my last post…
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Post by Alex on Jun 5, 2023 4:58:14 GMT
I can see the appeal of the Macan but it is essentially a car that came out almost 10 years ago and if you felt some aspects of the one you tested were showing their age today they'll only start to grate on you when you have to live with it for 3 or 4 years. Trouble is they're not going to do another with a petrol engine so you're stuck if you want to wait for a new model.
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Post by Martin on Jun 12, 2023 9:00:42 GMT
Lindsay drove the same green Macan GTS on Saturday before we collected my car. It took her a while to warm to it, only when it was off the dual carriageway in Sport and being driven more 'enthusiastically' did she start to talk positively about it.
Overall she liked it, but wasn't as enthusiastic as I expected. Partly that's because she was comparing it to the Panamera which she loved straight away, but it's also because she was struggling a bit with it being a "Mums car", which she knows she should have/ needs but it isn't what she really wants. A bit strange as she loves the Golf....but there you go.
It's not off the list, but I'm struggling to think of anything else (that hasn't been discounted already).
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Post by racingteatray on Jun 12, 2023 22:44:04 GMT
Sorry only just seen this. Been a busy week.
What do I think of the Macan? Well, it’s still early days - unfortunately I’ve only managed just over 1,000 miles so far. However, we are going up to the inner Hebrides in it at the end of next week, so that will be its first proper trip and an opportunity to really bond with it (or not). It’ll also get to do some off-road work as we‘ll be visiting my aunt on Islay whose driveway consists of several miles of bumpy dirt track through the heather. Glad I ticked the spare wheel option as when my sister went up recently they managed to puncture one of the tyres of their XC90…
So what can I say so far? It is like the 440i in that it’s got lots of feel-good factor and you get two cars for the price of one - a moochy everyday sort of one and a snarling blast one for the occasions when that suits. I haven’t done the latter yet, given the mileage, but the potential is quite clearly there.
In mooching-about mode, the GTS is a relaxing companion but it isn’t as elegantly languid and drawling as the 440i was. That I used to think of as Leslie Phillips in automotive form when pootling along in Comfort mode. The GTS always has a grumblier and racier feel - at the same time, it feels more free-spinning and alert, which might be the dual clutch transmission as much as anything else. There is more NVH at a traffic light than in the BMW (in which none was detectable). Enough to make you want to leave the auto stop-start on.
That said, it is less noisy overall than the BMW and I suspect when you really prod it in Sport+ mode, it’s less savage-sounding than the BMW, which post-fettle, could summons a quite special and very loud yowl that would have done an E46 M3 proud.
Where the BMW cannot hold a candle to it is the road holding. On a fast and twisty road, the 440i would be reduced to a distant speck in the rear view mirror. The BMW wasn’t bad (and had adaptive suspension) but it ran out of ideas over about 7/10ths and was never a back road weapon. Whereas the Macan is quite ridiculously good. It handles better than our Mini Cooper, turning in with an alacrity and poise that is outright good, never mind good for an SUV. All the while maintaining a ride quality that’s very impressive for anything on 21” wheels - then again I went for the no-cost-option to delete the GTS lowered air suspension for the standard air suspension, having read several reviews that suggested this was the best compromise.
It’s probably 10mpg off the BMW in terms of economy albeit that it is still very young and the BMW improved by a good 10mpg over the 50k miles I put on it. I’ve seen 32-33 on a largely law-abiding motorway run. Which is better than I expected, but it has a 75 litre tank and it wants 98 octane, so fuelling is a pretty pricey experience and meant I have bothered to join the Porsche owners club which gets you an Esso fuel card that takes 6p off a litre of super.
I love the look and design. There are sunny days when I think the Gentian blue paint is a shade too bright and that I might have preferred Night Blue but on overcast or less bright days it looks fab. I love the wheels but if I were to be specifying it again, I think I’d lose the red calipers in favour of black or another colour. That might be me getting a tad middle-aged… Equally I slightly prefer the look without roof rails but picked them having discovered that you can’t fit roof bars to a Macan that lacks them (as is the case also with our Mini).
Dimensionally, it’s good apart from the width. It’s about 10cms wider than the BMW and I do notice that. Then again that makes it amply spacious inside for our needs with a decent boot. It’s done a couple of tip trips when we were giving the garden a makeover and stripping old trellises and whatnot, and you can get a lot in. I do like the raised driving position as does Mrs RT.
Sticking with the interior, fit and finish is generally excellent - the sense of perceived quality is much higher than in the 440i. Much, much nicer leather. But some of the VAG way of doing things irk after many years being spoilt by BMW’s (formerly) excellent ergonomics. With the exception of the cruise control - once I got used to that, it works I think better. It’s little things. The remote key requires two presses before it will also close an open window or sunroof. The wing mirrors don’t fold out automatically when you unlock it. I can’t close the boot lid from the key. The inner boot button only does “close” and the one on the rear wiper only does “open” - that annoys compared to the BMW. Possibly I can fix both via the computer, but I don’t know how. Then, whilst we are slowly getting used to the touchscreen interface and it undeniably looks gorgeous, the usability is infinitely less than an iDrive system with a central rotary controller. Just not even close to being as user-friendly. For example, the navigation display in our Mini does have a touch screen but we never ever use it because the central rotary controller which falls more naturally to hand is far easier to use than reaching out and jabbing at a small screen.
Probably the thing I least like so far is the way the gearbox feels in low speed manoeuvring. Reversing in the driveway always makes me feel like the clutch is slipping. Apparently this is a feature of dual clutch systems. Either way, I don’t like it. Underway, however, the gearbox is absolutely fine with smooth and swift changes although I find myself resorting to the flappy paddles more than I did in the BMW (whose paddles I almost never used). That’s no hardship as they are lovely solid-feeling metal items. Apparently the done thing is to reset the gearbox once you’ve finished the running in period, to override the fact it has spent 1500 miles learning that you drive like Miss Daisy.
That all might sound a bit lukewarm but it’s mainly because I just haven’t had a chance to properly get to grips with it yet. And also because I’m still missing the 440i.
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Post by racingteatray on Jun 12, 2023 22:50:11 GMT
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Post by Martin on Jun 13, 2023 5:45:25 GMT
Thanks, really interesting.
I thought the GTS suspension was fine in terms of comfort. Unfortunately anything after late 2018 isn’t going to sound as good, but it does liven up a lot in Sport+ at higher revs,
Interesting comment re low speed manoeuvring, it’s not something I’ve noticed in mine with the same gearbox, but there was some low down hesitation in the Macan which I mentioned in my earlier post.
The ‘pre-facelift facelift’ car has shortcut buttons for the infotainment as does mine with the newer PCM, I don’t know why they removed them. I agree about iDrive vs touchscreen but I’m used to that after 3 years and I’ve found I’m using the little turn wheel for moving through the menus. Also, the latest ‘natural’ voice control is very good, although I’ve no idea why you’d shout “hey Porsche” when there’s a button on the steering wheel.
Only 1,000 miles in over 4 months…you’re really going to enjoy getting to know it on the trip North!
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Post by Tim on Jun 13, 2023 8:00:44 GMT
Overall she liked it, but wasn't as enthusiastic as I expected. Partly that's because she was comparing it to the Panamera which she loved straight away, but it's also because she was struggling a bit with it being a "Mums car", which she knows she should have/ needs but it isn't what she really wants. A bit strange as she loves the Golf....but there you go. Doesn't the Golf fill this criteria already? Surely all a Macan would add is a bit of extra height?
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Post by Martin on Jun 13, 2023 8:08:32 GMT
Overall she liked it, but wasn't as enthusiastic as I expected. Partly that's because she was comparing it to the Panamera which she loved straight away, but it's also because she was struggling a bit with it being a "Mums car", which she knows she should have/ needs but it isn't what she really wants. A bit strange as she loves the Golf....but there you go. Doesn't the Golf fill this criteria already? Surely all a Macan would add is a bit of extra height? It does. Although we've had it close to 5 years, keeping it another year or so is a serious option as it does everything so well. Lindsay isn't bothered about the extra height, but does like the idea of a step up in quality and sound.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 13, 2023 8:47:16 GMT
Doesn't the Golf fill this criteria already? Surely all a Macan would add is a bit of extra height? It does. Although we've had it close to 5 years, keeping it another year or so is a serious option as it does everything so well. Lindsay isn't bothered about the extra height, but does like the idea of a step up in quality and sound. Does she maybe think it would look a bit 'His n Hers' Porsche, with hers looking like the second best version of the same car on the drive? I actually think it would be an excellent idea and would fit the bill perfectly. Alternatively, how about a Maserati Grecale or Levante?
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Post by Martin on Jun 13, 2023 10:35:09 GMT
It does. Although we've had it close to 5 years, keeping it another year or so is a serious option as it does everything so well. Lindsay isn't bothered about the extra height, but does like the idea of a step up in quality and sound. Does she maybe think it would look a bit 'His n Hers' Porsche, with hers looking like the second best version of the same car on the drive? I actually think it would be an excellent idea and would fit the bill perfectly. Alternatively, how about a Maserati Grecale or Levante? There is that. If it isn’t a Macan then it’s highly unlikely to be an SUV, as she doesn’t like them as a general rule. I’ve suggested the F Pace R and Stelvio QF, neither were received all that well. If it wasn’t for the front end styling an M3 would be on the shortlist…. might still be worth a look as the extra gopping models are making it look slightly more acceptable when it’s in a dark colour. Apart from that I’m struggling.
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Post by Andy C on Jun 13, 2023 21:53:10 GMT
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Post by Martin on Jun 14, 2023 5:25:42 GMT
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Post by Alex on Jun 14, 2023 5:37:23 GMT
Doesn't sound like there's much else that fits the bill and I'm assuming you don't want a mk8 R? If she doesn't want another Golf but likes what it does, Andy's idea of stepping up to an RS3 makes a lot of sense.
The only other SUVs I can think of that might suit are the E Pace (which I've heard is a bit disappointing - as reflected in its sales figures) or the RR Evoque (too small) or Velar. But will either feel like a massive step down from a FF RR? The Stelvio and the two Maserati SUVs come across as being better in theory than reality, particularly if you're used to German cars and, again, I think that's reflected in their sales figures. The latest EVO reviewed the Grecale and it appears Maserati want a lot of money for it. The one they tested wasn't even top of the range and was over £100k with options.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 14, 2023 6:58:34 GMT
How about a Ghibli or a Guilia?
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 14, 2023 7:37:11 GMT
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Post by PetrolEd on Jun 14, 2023 8:36:22 GMT
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Post by johnc on Jun 14, 2023 10:09:53 GMT
£70K seems a lot for an RS3 and £90K+ seems an awful lot for a 3 series Touring even if it is an Alpina. I just can't get my head around the current cost of cars.
I know it wouldn't set as fast a time round the 'ring but there are new well equipped RS4's available for low £70K. A friend who traded his M2 for an RS4 loves the slightly more grown up feeling and his came will all the toys including sunroof, massage seats, factory towbar, upgraded sound etc etc and cost £72K after discount.
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Post by franki68 on Jun 15, 2023 13:51:04 GMT
I've been pleased with mine.There are issues,the fuel economy is pretty bad and I really am not a fan of the newer PCM vs the one in the gt3.Far too much stuff on screen (and yes I have created my own layout etc) with some tiny icons that are really hard to use when driving,and it seems it does not like switching between car play and normal use (if I listen to radio then say use google maps I cannot get any sound if I switch back to the radio as an example). Engine is mediocre and I think it a shame they discontinued the diesel because it would easily average 40mpg I reckon compared to the 25 I struggle to get.
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Post by racingteatray on Jun 15, 2023 22:09:31 GMT
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Post by franki68 on Jun 16, 2023 8:23:48 GMT
2019 with the 350 bhp engine .
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Post by racingteatray on Jun 16, 2023 16:19:20 GMT
Yes that’s the one I tested and thought the engine uninspiring.
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Post by racingteatray on Aug 1, 2023 19:40:37 GMT
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Post by Big Blue on Aug 1, 2023 20:02:29 GMT
You can see the ride height difference.
I trust you left the dirt on to park up back home to show the neighbours that you “off-road”. 😆
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Post by Roadrunner on Aug 1, 2023 20:30:05 GMT
The perfect car for that trip. Performance and comfort for the distance and capability for the rough track.
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Post by racingteatray on Aug 1, 2023 21:36:37 GMT
You can see the ride height difference. I trust you left the dirt on to park up back home to show the neighbours that you “off-road”. 😆 Only for one week as we went up to see friends in the Cotswolds the following weekend and there was no point cleaning it before doing that. And in fact it chucked it down so hard on the M40 that it was almost cleaner afterwards! But then I took it to be thoroughly cleaned inside and out..
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Post by PG on Aug 3, 2023 20:01:31 GMT
The colour really pops with the sun on it. A muddy Macan in London. Did people stare?
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Post by Andy C on Aug 3, 2023 21:10:50 GMT
That is a great colour
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