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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2020 13:53:14 GMT
They have their uses, sometimes.
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 16, 2020 14:10:14 GMT
Two separately developed and highly successful vaccines being announced within a week of each other. What are the chances of that happening, eh? What an incredible coincidence. My take on this is that we're approaching herd immunity and the virus will soon be a memory, so these vaccines need to be rushed out before the proles realise this and that they don't require a needle stuck in them. Big Pharma has to be seen to be saving us all from the big bad wolf called Covid 19 so the shareholders can get their payouts. Buy a load of shares and then you can join the evil capitalist pigs and make money as your freedom is eroded. I must say it's had a nicely positive effect on the value of the stocks & shares ISA I have stashed away to cover the balloon payment on the BMW. |
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Post by Big Blue on Nov 16, 2020 16:45:59 GMT
I too am “better off” this week than last and Div payments are increasing in places.
On the vaccine issue, S-I-L shared something with us last week. In Czech the uptake is horribly low, like in the 20-25% range, for even the basic vaccines like polio, MMR etc. The UK is well over 70% (our kids have flu spray next week, for example) so her view was that we’ll all be ok over here whilst her hospital remains overrun for far longer than necessary.
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Post by johnc on Nov 17, 2020 8:30:05 GMT
I too am “better off” this week than last and Div payments are increasing in places. On the vaccine issue, S-I-L shared something with us last week. In Czech the uptake is horribly low, like in the 20-25% range, for even the basic vaccines like polio, MMR etc. The UK is well over 70% (our kids have flu spray next week, for example) so her view was that we’ll all be ok over here whilst her hospital remains overrun for far longer than necessary. Surely covid and possibly continuing restrictions on travel and social interaction might just influence the mind set a bit. Maybe the church need to get involved and promote it. |
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Post by Tim on Nov 17, 2020 8:51:44 GMT
Maybe the church need to get involved and promote it. I don't think that would help much in Czech, they're an atheist country I think. |
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Post by johnc on Nov 17, 2020 8:58:13 GMT
Maybe the church need to get involved and promote it. I don't think that would help much in Czech, they're an atheist country I think. I didn't know that. I thought the Catholic church was strong in that part of the world. |
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Post by Big Blue on Nov 17, 2020 9:41:18 GMT
It is but not involved in politics - like France it’s totally disestablished. . The main issue preventing larger take up is the madness of anti-vax and suspicion of data collection via vaccination.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 17, 2020 10:17:50 GMT
Apparently, after the mass COVID testing in Liverpool, the DNA evidence gleaned will enable the police to clear up 95% of the crimes committed over the last 5 years.
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 17, 2020 10:18:45 GMT
Apparently, after the mass COVID testing in Liverpool, the DNA evidence gleaned will enable the police to clear up 95% of the crimes committed over the last 5 years. Hush...you sound like Boris and risk having to go up there to publicly apologise... |
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Post by Tim on Nov 17, 2020 12:19:20 GMT
It's DOWN from where he is!
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Post by chipbutty on Nov 17, 2020 13:36:51 GMT
I didn't read the article in that way at all - primarily because there is no difference in the way Government and " The Opposition " are using the science to drive the narrative. If anything, the left are using the same science to swing the " lockdown sledgehammer " even harder, therefore I understood the author to be beyond Tory bashing.
Politicians often claim to follow the science, but that is a misleading oversimplification. Science is rarely absolute. It rarely applies to every setting or every population. It doesn’t make sense to slavishly follow science or evidence. A better approach is for politicians, the publicly appointed decision makers, to be informed and guided by science when they decide policy for their public. But even that approach retains public and professional trust only if science is available for scrutiny and free of political interference, and if the system is transparent and not compromised by conflicts of interest.
This is the key comment, specifically that last sentence that neatly encapsulates the shenanigans of the last 7 or so months and can only be in reference to the alternative scientific views that have been largely swept under the carpet (rather than openly acknowledged and debated).
IMHO of course.
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Post by Big Blue on Nov 17, 2020 15:23:12 GMT
It's DOWN from where he is! Towards London is always UP. Ask any railwayman..... |
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 17, 2020 15:35:58 GMT
It's DOWN from where he is! Towards London is always UP. Ask any railwayman..... Airline pilots may disagree with you...... |
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Post by Tim on Nov 17, 2020 16:00:10 GMT
It's DOWN from where he is! Towards London is always UP. Ask any railwayman..... Yes but the reference was to dodgy Scouseland so definitely down (as in 'you're going Dahn you slag', or when he dies he's not going up...) |
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Post by michael on Nov 17, 2020 17:22:18 GMT
Lands End to John o' Groats is downhill. The reason being the Scottish end of the country is still slowly rising up out the see following the glacial retreat from the last ice age.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2020 21:03:40 GMT
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 18, 2020 7:40:33 GMT
It's DOWN from where he is! Towards London is always UP. Ask any railwayman..... London is always down; as in “Down South”. No one says “Up South or “Down North”. 😀 Also, see any map. |
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Post by Tim on Nov 18, 2020 8:36:44 GMT
You need to loosen that tin foil hat. If you're up for taking several doses of a rushed through experimental vaccine, the type of which has never been used in humans before, then be my guest. In fact, have mine or give it to one of your relatives, but don't be expecting a payout if it all goes wrong. The companies developing these vaccines have all been given immunity (no pun intended) from any lawsuits or prosecution when their experiment starts killing people. Why would that need to be in place if what they are wanting to stick in our arms is totally safe? They've not even been given the remit of creating a vaccine that prevents you catching coronavirus, only that it needs to reduce symptoms if/when you do get it. Let's hope that when that happens the vaccine hasn't induced your body to create the wrong type of antibodies in a paradoxical immune response. Look up what happened to the poor kids in the Philippines when they were vaccinated against Dengue Fever... Fine but in reality by the time the likes of you and me get it - being quite far down the list of priorities - then any problems will have come to light. Of course, if you think it's a plot by Bill Gates, George Soros and the cabal of left leaning billionaire and political paedophiles to inject a chip that will control us all then certainly, refuse the vaccine. |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 18, 2020 10:15:20 GMT
They've not even been given the remit of creating a vaccine that prevents you catching coronavirus, only that it needs to reduce symptoms if/when you do get it. Let's hope that when that happens the vaccine hasn't induced your body to create the wrong type of antibodies in a paradoxical immune response. Look up what happened to the poor kids in the Philippines when they were vaccinated against Dengue Fever...Look at what actually did happen. In sheer number terms it was a huge success, reducing hospitalisations of kids for this serious disease by over 90%. From The Lancet: |
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Post by Big Blue on Nov 18, 2020 11:56:01 GMT
Towards London is always UP. Ask any railwayman..... London is always down; as in “Down South”. No one says “Up South or “Down North”. 😀 Also, see any map. When working lineside knowing London is always the “up” line is useful for avoiding being hit by a 400T locomotive. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2020 1:15:04 GMT
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Post by Blarno on Nov 19, 2020 8:50:04 GMT
Hang on lads......just checking my Conspiranut Bingo card..
...wait....BIG PHARMA..
BINGO!
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Post by Tim on Nov 19, 2020 9:10:36 GMT
You're meant to shout 'HOUSE' surely?
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Post by Tim on Nov 19, 2020 9:12:15 GMT
Fine but in reality by the time the likes of you and me get it - being quite far down the list of priorities - then any problems will have come to light. Of course, if you think it's a plot by Bill Gates, George Soros and the cabal of left leaning billionaire and political paedophiles to inject a chip that will control us all then certainly, refuse the vaccine. I'm not the nutty sort of anti vaxxer who thinks we're all being chipped, but I am definitely against this being mandatory in any way. That could end up being the case anyway if firms and shops start insisting on staff and customers having the jab before they get let in the door. It's a slippery slope and we all need to think long and hard about whether we're going to be given these drugs without a say in the matter or nailing our boots down and standing fast. Me, I'd rather take my chances and let my immune system do what it's supposed to. There is a 99.94% chance of survival, after all... Well, no but I reckon you'll end up getting it so you can travel freely. Having said that, that would require some sort of co-ordinated plan and tracking from the Government agencies so in reality just do what you want, they'll never be able to tell  |
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Post by PG on Nov 19, 2020 13:14:31 GMT
Apparently, after the mass COVID testing in Liverpool, the DNA evidence gleaned will enable the police to clear up 95% of the crimes committed over the last 5 years. Every cloud has a silver lining. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2020 15:21:14 GMT
The last time I had government organised vaccines, they made me sick as and testing was done afterwards. Not fit for human use and I still live with the effects and aftermath. Still not sure which way I would jump and being an ex paramedic etc, you would probably think I was a safe bet in the for camp.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2020 15:38:36 GMT
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 19, 2020 17:19:44 GMT
I think the only jab I've ever had was for tetanus at a clinic on an industrial estate when I injured myself at work once. I seem to recall having a vaccine at school (polio?) but that was given to us orally in a sugar cube. Depending what age you are you'll have also probably had vaccinations for tuberculosis, smallpox, diphtheria and measles as a child. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2020 23:09:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2020 23:45:22 GMT
One of the most difficult aspects of ANY health regime is adequate information, prior doses, reactions to doses and ensuring that all the immunisation regimes are adequately followed. If you have poor documentation you will have a high risk of waste and the risk to the patient increases. Especially in some areas of Africa and the far east where medical coverage is sparse you need to increase and leverage efficiency or you may as well not bother. There are lots of potential pitfalls with immunisation schemes so reducing those by a big one is whorthwhile, imho. Yes by all means ensure there is freedom of choice but remove the idiots who are against all immunisation too. In the 1920's there was a chemist assessing the sewage system in Moscow. He had a similar discovery to the Penicillin happy accident and found pathogens that were chasing down the pathogens harmful to humans and destroying them, chasing their genetic changes without any human intervention. We see the same thing when we buy (I think they are called) Nemetodes which are part of the slug/snail genus. They are carnivores and live of their own kind. You can buy them ready for each new growing season by post. This Moscow discovery was seized by big pharma when the wall came down and they have not been heard of since. Very convenient seeing as it meant the big drug companies can continue their profitable antibiotic lines and the cheap but working method gets lost. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6203130/ |
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