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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2020 11:06:51 GMT
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 20, 2020 16:17:20 GMT
There are theories on facebook proposing that viruses don't actually exist and that when we think we have something, flu, cold etc, it's merely our bodies detoxifying using intercellular messengers called exosomes. They whiz around telling the cells to expel toxins and that makes us feel ill. This explains why the flu is mostly seasonal because the body knows it's better to have a fever when the weather is cooler so it doesn't risk overheating. The virus floating in the air waiting to get us thing is old hat and probably stems from when these things couldn't be explained. Makes a brilliant scare story to tell the plebs, though. Don't go to the shops, the bogeyman named Covid could be hiding behind the baked beans! When I was floored with the flu a couple of years back my missus carried on sleeping in the same bed and never 'caught' it from me. As far as those on twitter can tell there is not a single bit of evidence that the SARS-Cov-2 virus has actually been isolated using cells from a person who supposedly has it. The only publicly shown sample of it was supposedly grown in a petri dish in Wuhan. If it can't be isolated, replicated and then tested on living subjects to see what symptoms it actually induces in that subject how can a vaccine for it be created? Viruses don't exist? Yes they do, an accepted fact until all the Phd scientists got going on facebook. Succinctly debunked here (as well as many, many other places): uk.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-harmful-viruses/fact-check-viruses-harmful-to-humans-are-proven-to-exist-idUSKBN23335VViruses aren't floating on the air? The very thought of it: www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30323-4/fulltextLack of evidence that SARS-Cov-2 has actually been isolated? This was a bit of a twitter favourite a few months back. Again debunked: virologydownunder.com/sigh-yes-the-covid-virus-is-real/I have no idea why people buy into these conspiracy theories. I assume David Icke has a wider following than we think. The evidence to refute all these claims is out there, peer reviewed, and multiple sourced but as long as people want to get their Coronavirus info from twitter, facebook and snapchat I suppose we'll just have to keep knocking them down.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 23, 2020 15:48:45 GMT
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Post by Roadrunner on Nov 23, 2020 21:42:59 GMT
People with brains the size of a planet, plenty of foresight and a bit of good luck.
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Post by michael on Nov 23, 2020 22:16:02 GMT
People with brains the size of a planet, plenty of foresight and a bit of good luck. Impressive that the BBC also managed to ignore the UK government funding the research!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 0:42:07 GMT
The beeb ignoring facts is nothing new under the sun though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 15:05:16 GMT
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 24, 2020 15:31:29 GMT
What the BBC like to do is cherry pick the stuff they think you should know and discard the rest. Rather like the sighing Aussie above. He has either misinterpreted the data he quotes or is hoping that the casual reader won't understand what he has written and just take the headline at face value. It's well documented that most people only read the headline anyway. All of the scientists he cites in his article have been contacted by people a lot more thorough than he and asked if they actually isolated the virus particle. All the ones that answered admitted that they hadn't. As for Reuters fact checking. It's a four person team funded by Facebook. That immediately makes me doubt anything written by them. So basically, you have no credible sources to back up your facebook and twitter ones. OK, got it. As for Reuters; mediabiasfactcheck.com/reuters/Overall, we rate Reuters Least Biased based on objective reporting and Very High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing of information with minimal bias and a clean fact check record.
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Post by LandieMark on Nov 24, 2020 16:22:00 GMT
Yes, I tend to read news from various sources.
A "friend" in a message group posted one of these Facebook posts alleging illegal immigrants given an fortune and staying in 5* hotels at the taxpayers expense, while veterans are being left homeless on the streets.
I told him I wasn't going to share it as it was garbage and was debunked by several news sites, including Reuters who I now read.
Sky is pretty impartial according to that fact checking site (Despite Murdoch).
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Post by michael on Nov 24, 2020 16:23:41 GMT
Sky is pretty impartial according to that fact checking site (Despite Murdoch). Is Sky news still Murdoch? I thought he'd bailed out of it.
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Post by LandieMark on Nov 24, 2020 16:24:24 GMT
Sky is pretty impartial according to that fact checking site (Despite Murdoch). Is Sky news still Murdoch? I thought he'd bailed out of it. I don't know. Maybe that's why it gets a good score for impartiality. 😂 Edit, yes it is owned by Comcast, parent of NBC.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 16:41:40 GMT
It was originally sold for competition rules afaik but he bought it from his son a while back, quite the fight apparently.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 17:40:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 18:27:18 GMT
Actually these are the safer form of vaccine. What they inject is not, as in the normal practice a weakened or atrophied variety of the virus but the keys on the surface of that viral gene. NO live virus enters the body and any occasion of MS for example would be someone who had already GOT the problem. MS for example is called that because of the MULTIPLE lesions hence multiple sclerosis so the condition can be around for decades before it is apparent. It's important to know where these problems come from before listening to people who have read five percent of a story and understand nothing. Seriously, where there is a problem I like to know about it but people selling stories because they can and want the money, scaring folk witless for fuck all reason boils my piss.
Essentially the immune system sees the keys and then when you get the virus has the ability to differentiate them from your normal cells and, kills them dead by basically shutting the off from attaching to your white cells. This stops them from feeding off your system.
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Post by LandieMark on Nov 24, 2020 18:42:40 GMT
That is genetic engineering in my book and I don't want it going on inside me, thanks. . Guess if you ever get a treatable cancer, you won't want anything to do with treatment that involved stem cells then - even if it would save your life? Have an accident and require a blood transfusion - are you going to ask for vaccination free blood or die from blood loss?
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 24, 2020 19:06:29 GMT
The Oxford vaccine is not a messenger RNA type. That said mRNA vaccines have been in development for over 20 years so there is a long history of research to call on. The Oxford vaccine also seems to prevent the virus from being passed on.
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Post by PG on Nov 24, 2020 19:21:49 GMT
Interesting also to see the cost differences between the vaccines. Astra-Zeneca -Oxford is about less than £3 a dose whereas the others are all over £20.
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Post by michael on Nov 24, 2020 19:33:02 GMT
The Oxford is being supplied at cost. The vaccine task force is one of the few successes the government can claim from all this. We have more vaccine supplies than any other country including the EU combined. They stuck over £80m into the Oxford programme and it’s paying off as we will be one of the first to benefit with the vaccine roll-out. We’ve also secured supplies for developing countries to help them get through this which is something we should be proud if.
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 24, 2020 20:20:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2020 4:58:36 GMT
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Post by LandieMark on Nov 25, 2020 7:42:50 GMT
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 25, 2020 8:34:58 GMT
It’s like arguing with a Trump supporter. 😀
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Post by michael on Nov 25, 2020 9:47:30 GMT
There is always another way to look at things. The evidence on masks is flimsy, because there isn't a standard on masks. I heard someone earlier arguing that excess mortality is lower than usual during the respiratory illness season, which is true, but it doesn't mean COVID isn't a significant problem, it just means the chain of infection for influenza has been significantly broken - most likely because of global travel disruption. Most people do survive COVID, to them it's not dangerous, but the point of a vaccine isn't to help most people, it's to break transmission to protect the most vulnerable which is why we have a flu vaccine every year.
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 25, 2020 10:41:54 GMT
I heard something on the radio yesterday that the wearing of facemasks has also apparently lowered the transmission of other "winter" viruses.
This is tending to "highlight" covid-19 as the chief "infector of people" at the moment, so maybe breathing in the presence of someone else is damaging to health? Seems to be evidence that we should wear facemasks in the colder months of the year when in close proximity to others.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 25, 2020 14:24:21 GMT
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Post by Tim on Nov 25, 2020 17:20:55 GMT
I've got a headache today, do you think I should be looking to borrow someone's tinfoil hat?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2020 17:41:42 GMT
Only Bacofoil has the required resistance to government interference as far as I know and they are not sharing secrets with anyone, well not much anyway. Perhaps it has something to do with the criss-cross pattern on it. Get a pattern of the type used to make a paper Fez.
I take it we are just on a general laff here and not getting at anyone, right to an opinion and all that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2020 4:09:07 GMT
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Post by LandieMark on Nov 26, 2020 7:37:57 GMT
I was being lazy. First hit on Google. Plenty of other sources stating the same further down the page.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 26, 2020 9:35:27 GMT
The irony of dismissing a Wikipedia entry as a credible source and then double downing on quoting a site for racist anti semites, then bemoaning Trump’s inability to drain the swamp. Simon, we now know where you stand and it’s not pleasant.
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