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Post by Martin on Nov 9, 2023 14:09:08 GMT
I see it is sold…..did you move that quick?
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Post by PG on Nov 9, 2023 16:35:10 GMT
Judging by the prices quoted on those EV's, I just can't see that will ever be sensible. But then lease costs have gone up stupidly with interest rates on the rise.
The late model RR Classic is definitely the one to go for. The "soft dash" models are just so much nicer inside. I am sure for £10k that one would have sold in about 8 milliseconds. I've seen decent ones in he £20's easily.
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Nov 9, 2023 16:40:04 GMT
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Post by bryan on Nov 9, 2023 16:40:04 GMT
It has been hanging about for some time, so I suspect problems
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Post by bryan on Nov 20, 2023 18:21:07 GMT
What's wrong with this? Seems like a good price and main dealer....how much warranty do you get? I know it is a pre LCI but not that fussed about rear lights...has a good toy count! www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311063681513Am I missing something? I know the mileage is a little high and 4 owners not desirable
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Post by Martin on Nov 20, 2023 18:28:38 GMT
That’s really well kitted out, Full Merino and Voodoo LEDs for a start.
It could be the mileage keeping the price sensible, but it’s really not that high for a near 7 year old car and you’d get some peace of mind buying from a main dealer, which means a 12 month warranty.
Is there a big / expensive service coming up, that’s one thing to check?
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Post by johnc on Nov 20, 2023 18:56:17 GMT
Apparently the non Competition models are a good bit cheaper because demand is less but there doesn't look like much is wrong with that car. Maybe do a Car Vertical report to see if it has been accident damaged. Being a non LCI car it won't have had the small suspension tweaks but at the same time being a convertible you are unlikely to be exploring 10/10ths of its handling prowess.
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Post by bryan on Nov 20, 2023 19:00:12 GMT
I think it is a Competition John but with 19s. BMW approved wouldn't sell an accident damaged car would they?
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 20, 2023 19:04:15 GMT
That does seem a great price for a very nice-looking car. Azurite Black is very similar to Carbon Black (so basically midnight blue) and the full leather interior really makes a difference.
The "normal" M4 alloys were an option on Competitions for those who didn't like the Competition alloys. Personally I don't like the normal ones at all, particularly not in black, but wouldn't see that as a deal-breaker on this particular car.
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 20, 2023 19:10:12 GMT
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Post by johnc on Nov 20, 2023 19:21:39 GMT
I think it is a Competition John but with 19s. BMW approved wouldn't sell an accident damaged car would they? It doesn't say Competition on the badge on the boot. My car is not a Competition but all the service records and invoices state that it is a Competition - I think BMW UK must have updated all their vehicle descriptions to say Competition, because that is all they sell here now. A guy who works for me had a BMW 218i which was side swiped by a lorry, requiring new doors and front wing plus headlight and front bumper etc. He traded it in to BMW and complained that they were selling it for £4K more than they gave him for it - I just presumed it wasn't impossible that approved used could be accident repaired although I don't know if his was sold as approved used.
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Post by theotherct on Nov 20, 2023 21:19:18 GMT
I think it is a Competition John but with 19s. BMW approved wouldn't sell an accident damaged car would they? It doesn't say Competition on the badge on the boot. My car is not a Competition but all the service records and invoices state that it is a Competition - I think BMW UK must have updated all their vehicle descriptions to say Competition, because that is all they sell here now. I’m almost certain it is a competition. As already mentioned once they were introduced they became the default (something like 90% were comps) the pre LCI competitions also had black M4 badges. The V5 will state if it is one as well as a HPI check. In fact, an insurance quote using the registration will probably tell you and it might be worth getting a quote, it might be the reason it is still hanging around at the dealers. This one also has the comfort seats which are probably better for longer journeys, especially for passengers, as they have lumbar support. In terms of things to look out for it’s likely the next service will be oil and brake fluid but it’s hard to tell on the condition based servicing. The discs will likely also need doing in the next 15kl, could be £1k at the dealer. It might coincide with the spark plug, diff fluid service at 60k so that could be expensive. Oh, and there’s been some talk on here about batteries and how expensive they are, well M cars from this generation on use Li-ion batteries and they are over £800! I’m nervous about mine, not sure where the approved used warranty stands on them. Reading that back it seems pretty negative, sorry about that! But the positive are that dealers aren’t moving cars like this in the numbers they have been used to (and G8X are now £50k) so you can afford to be choosy.
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Post by Martin on Nov 20, 2023 23:19:56 GMT
The interior trim is a long way down the list of reasons why I wouldn’t buy that!
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Post by Tim on Nov 21, 2023 8:17:53 GMT
What's wrong with this? Seems like a good price and main dealer....how much warranty do you get? I know it is a pre LCI but not that fussed about rear lights...has a good toy count! www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311063681513Am I missing something? I know the mileage is a little high and 4 owners not desirable White leather and its a convertible. Will you change your name to Tracy?
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Post by bryan on Nov 21, 2023 8:25:36 GMT
Given I have had both a TT and an Evoque coupe a white leathered convertible holds no fear!😂
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Post by PG on Nov 21, 2023 8:27:30 GMT
I could live with that interior (assuming in real life it's tan or brown rather than some vibrant poo-look-a-like), but like the one bryan posted, it needs silver wheels. And is that a really bad "BO55" git-plate on it, which might make me a bit wary of the current owner!
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Post by bryan on Nov 21, 2023 8:37:07 GMT
The leather looks ok but the'improvements' to the steering wheel, body kit etc would be red flags....I'm sure you could swap out the red wood for the grey wood
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Post by bryan on Nov 21, 2023 10:19:15 GMT
Spoke to Sytner SH is as follows all at bmw
Running in 4/17 at 1419 1st Service 29/3/19 at 12100 Brake service Feb 20 17305 Major Service Feb 21 25290 Brake service APL 22 Service APL 23 44296
Not due for another 18k or April 25, will that be a big one?
Mot twice in 2023 April and July...tyres look neglected in one of the most
Owner had it in July 23 and then traded in 2 cars for one family car
No damage, sending me a walk around
For those that know BMW, what's flagging up, battery at 79% but was charged
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Post by Tim on Nov 21, 2023 13:30:18 GMT
I got an advisory from the dealership about the battery on my 3 series estate, they reckoned it needed a new one at a cost of about £350 (this was probably in 2018) as it was an AGM one. I ignored their advice and the battery was still showing no signs of flagging 3 years and 50k miles later.
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Post by Martin on Nov 21, 2023 13:57:32 GMT
I think 60k will be a major service plus spark plugs
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Post by bryan on Nov 21, 2023 20:32:15 GMT
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Post by theotherct on Nov 21, 2023 22:01:56 GMT
Yes £900 is where the prices start for a major service at the dealer. If your approved warranty has run out by then you could always go to an independent and get to know them and their work. Might be more beneficial than a free coffee and a new 1 series loan car.
The battery is a funny one. I wouldn't let it overly sway your decision, it was more for background. As I understand it, as they are Li-ion the issues don't tend to be capacity or state of charge rather individual cells can go leading to the on board management trying to balance the 'pack' leading to voltage drops that the car gets upset by. Most searches bring up American forum posts as their more extreme weather has a greater effect on how long they last.
There's a guy over here who advertises on ebay and for a couple of hundred quid he fixes BMW M batteries, I presume he splits and replaces any bad cells then rebalances it. I'm not sure how much I would trust that given he isn't a business or offering a warranty. Not sure if an insurance company would be happy to pay out in the event of a fire or damage claim either!
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Post by bryan on Nov 22, 2023 22:18:47 GMT
This is the Build sheet on the M4 - confirms it is a competition
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Post by bryan on Nov 22, 2023 22:23:12 GMT
These are the Workshop inspection and Service records - for those familiar with BMW does the disc thickness being so close to minimum a cause for replacements (eg min is 28.4mm and it is 29mm)
What do the red bits on the service history mean and anything else you can tell from the car
They are very keen to do a deal - problem is I have also seen an Up Gti in black I like (which is more practical for what I need at the moment) and still no confirmation mine is written off! But the spec is good
Walkaround video
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Post by bryan on Nov 22, 2023 22:36:26 GMT
Oops!
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Post by johnc on Nov 23, 2023 14:11:09 GMT
What do the red bits on the service history mean and anything else you can tell from the car
I can't be sure but if you look at the service dates, the items in red show a date prior to the service date which probably means that those are the items that need attention. Some of the other symbols have dates after the service date and they are green probably indicating that they can be left until the next service.
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Post by Martin on Nov 23, 2023 14:54:54 GMT
What do the red bits on the service history mean and anything else you can tell from the car
I can't be sure but if you look at the service dates, the items in red show a date prior to the service date which probably means that those are the items that need attention. Some of the other symbols have dates after the service date and they are green probably indicating that they can be left until the next service. That's how I read it. The reds are based on either mileage (countdown) or time, it's been late for a couple of things but not massively so. It's made quite a few unpleasant noises through it's life!
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 23, 2023 15:09:02 GMT
Oops! "Experts proven right" shocker...Michael Gove will be furious!
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