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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 17, 2022 20:30:36 GMT
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Post by Martin on Jun 20, 2022 9:26:58 GMT
This is c£15k over list, which is daft for a 6 month old car, but not when you compare the spec to similarly prices cars and a 4 year old 991.2 GTS at £100k. If you include the PTS (which it wasn't at the time, but would be now) cost then it's 'only' £10k over list.... More than I'd want to spend, but still plenty of 'want'! finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsche-911-carrera-gts-preowned-0Z3Z0N |
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Post by Big Blue on Jun 20, 2022 16:35:55 GMT
This is c£15k over list, which is daft for a 6 month old car, but not when you compare the spec to similarly prices cars and a 4 year old 991.2 GTS at £100k. If you include the PTS (which it wasn't at the time, but would be now) cost then it's 'only' £10k over list.... More than I'd want to spend, but still plenty of 'want'! finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsche-911-carrera-gts-preowned-0Z3Z0NWas discussing this kind of thing on Friday - Porsche demand based on a Taycan Gran Turismo thingy that my friend’s boss has just collected, also over the odds so he didn’t have to wait. What a business model for UK retailers. My employer is seen as old fashioned and expensive because we are error free and you pay for what you get (old bastards like me with a load of earned knowledge) but even we’d struggle with the “must have car” sales model. Not my colour scheme that one (the 911) but nice spec. |
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Post by Andy C on Jun 20, 2022 16:57:51 GMT
This is c£15k over list, which is daft for a 6 month old car, but not when you compare the spec to similarly prices cars and a 4 year old 991.2 GTS at £100k. If you include the PTS (which it wasn't at the time, but would be now) cost then it's 'only' £10k over list.... More than I'd want to spend, but still plenty of 'want'! finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsche-911-carrera-gts-preowned-0Z3Z0NThat looks amazing . Not a huge 992 fan (looks from the back) but I’d have that all day long. |
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Post by Martin on Jun 20, 2022 17:07:47 GMT
This is c£15k over list, which is daft for a 6 month old car, but not when you compare the spec to similarly prices cars and a 4 year old 991.2 GTS at £100k. If you include the PTS (which it wasn't at the time, but would be now) cost then it's 'only' £10k over list.... More than I'd want to spend, but still plenty of 'want'! finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsche-911-carrera-gts-preowned-0Z3Z0NThat looks amazing . Not a huge 992 fan (looks from the back) but I’d have that all day long. I know what you mean, but it's grown on me. One way of changing the rear is adding the Aerokit....Lindsay quite likes it but I'm not sure.  |
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Post by clunes on Jun 20, 2022 17:56:29 GMT
Left field option and I know the Porsche will be a far more sports oriented steer and significantly faster in every measure but for something more suited to 'GT' usage on our roads that would likely still make you feel special every time you saw/sat-in/heard it I'd be very tempted by this for less than half the price: usedcars.lexus.co.uk/en/used-lexus/Lexus/LC/500-50-464-Sport-2dr-Auto-Mark-Levinson-vdctce5I know it's a couple of years older (although one the same age would still be massively cheaper) and goes against the established 'sports car' ethos but for most it might just be more special much of the time and for some reason the fact that they are not your typical option actual makes their appeal greater for me - but i've always tended to be drawn towards the alternative to the mainstream options |
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Post by franki68 on Jun 21, 2022 11:49:25 GMT
Left field option and I know the Porsche will be a far more sports oriented steer and significantly faster in every measure but for something more suited to 'GT' usage on our roads that would likely still make you feel special every time you saw/sat-in/heard it I'd be very tempted by this for less than half the price: usedcars.lexus.co.uk/en/used-lexus/Lexus/LC/500-50-464-Sport-2dr-Auto-Mark-Levinson-vdctce5I know it's a couple of years older (although one the same age would still be massively cheaper) and goes against the established 'sports car' ethos but for most it might just be more special much of the time and for some reason the fact that they are not your typical option actual makes their appeal greater for me - but i've always tended to be drawn towards the alternative to the mainstream options I think they are fantastic.They look superb,n/a engine ,lexus quality and the interior is nicer than any 911 .Considering its nearly 500 bhp the performance is relatively sluggish but aside form that they are fantastic . |
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Post by Martin on Jun 21, 2022 12:07:19 GMT
Left field option and I know the Porsche will be a far more sports oriented steer and significantly faster in every measure but for something more suited to 'GT' usage on our roads that would likely still make you feel special every time you saw/sat-in/heard it I'd be very tempted by this for less than half the price: usedcars.lexus.co.uk/en/used-lexus/Lexus/LC/500-50-464-Sport-2dr-Auto-Mark-Levinson-vdctce5I know it's a couple of years older (although one the same age would still be massively cheaper) and goes against the established 'sports car' ethos but for most it might just be more special much of the time and for some reason the fact that they are not your typical option actual makes their appeal greater for me - but i've always tended to be drawn towards the alternative to the mainstream options I think they are fantastic.They look superb,n/a engine ,lexus quality and the interior is nicer than any 911 .Considering its nearly 500 bhp the performance is relatively sluggish but aside form that they are fantastic . The interior on the one linked is hideous….but I’m sure it’s much better in a different colour. It is a good looking car (grille aside) and the N/A V8 is very appealing. Lexus have faith in the quality, £400 for a minor and £650 for a major service, but that includes 12 months warranty for cars up to 10 years old / 100,000 miles. So cheap to run. I bet it wouldn’t fit the garage though. I’m regretting not going for one big garage door rather than two standard ones when I replaced them a couple of years ago, as it will limit options in the future. |
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Post by clunes on Jun 21, 2022 14:19:34 GMT
I think they are fantastic.They look superb,n/a engine ,lexus quality and the interior is nicer than any 911 .Considering its nearly 500 bhp the performance is relatively sluggish but aside form that they are fantastic . The interior on the one linked is hideous….but I’m sure it’s much better in a different colour. It is a good looking car (grille aside) and the N/A V8 is very appealing. Lexus have faith in the quality, £400 for a minor and £650 for a major service, but that includes 12 months warranty for cars up to 10 years old / 100,000 miles. So cheap to run. I bet it wouldn’t fit the garage though. I’m regretting not going for one big garage door rather than two standard ones when I replaced them a couple of years ago, as it will limit options in the future. The tan is quite full-on but I don't mind it. That said, there are other options from the usual Black throughout to a mix of Black and Red seats. One thing that every review agrees with is the quality is fantastic no matter what is chosen. |
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Post by Tim on Jun 22, 2022 8:20:35 GMT
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Post by PetrolEd on Jun 22, 2022 19:49:18 GMT
No chance I’d pay 150k for a 992 GTS. It’s a GTS not an RS! Daft money but maybe I’m just well behind the curve on pricing. The only 992 I like is the Turbo.
Love the Lexus. Even really like the interior which is a lot more interesting then black.
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Post by johnc on Jun 23, 2022 7:06:44 GMT
Prices on the grossly overpriced used 911's are starting to slip. Quite a few of the cars in the £85/£90K bracket have come down as much as £5K, suggesting that increasing interest rates, worries about the economy and a bit of common sense are starting to have an impact.
Whilst on the subject of Porsches, two of my clients who bought Taycans have sold them because of the range. Typically they had a usable real life range of about 160/170 miles which just wasn't enough if they were out and about perhaps seeing 2 or 3 customers in a day. One of them has bought a BMW X5 45e and the other a Cayman GTS.
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Post by Martin on Jun 23, 2022 9:14:22 GMT
No chance I’d pay 150k for a 992 GTS. It’s a GTS not an RS! Daft money but maybe I’m just well behind the curve on pricing. The only 992 I like is the Turbo. Love the Lexus. Even really like the interior which is a lot more interesting then black. It is daft money, but there are loads of examples from £50k for a Golf / £70k for an A3 through to 4 year old 991.2 GTS at £100k or the cheapest 911 at a main dealer, a 2012 991 with 50k miles all beige interior and very few options for £53.5k!. A 4 year old 991.2 RS will set you back £200k+ and 992 GT3s are more than that, you won't find one for under £100k more than a 992 GTS. |
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Post by PetrolEd on Jun 23, 2022 9:44:26 GMT
No chance I’d pay 150k for a 992 GTS. It’s a GTS not an RS! Daft money but maybe I’m just well behind the curve on pricing. The only 992 I like is the Turbo. Love the Lexus. Even really like the interior which is a lot more interesting then black. It is daft money, but there are loads of examples from £50k for a Golf / £70k for an A3 through to 4 year old 991.2 GTS at £100k or the cheapest 911 at a main dealer, a 2012 991 with 50k miles all beige interior and very few options for £53.5k!. A 4 year old 991.2 RS will set you back £200k+ and 992 GT3s are more than that, you won't find one for under £100k more than a 992 GTS. I hear you. The point being that 911’s shouldn’t be that money even if they are, At that money your opening up the market to some seriously interesting cars. 250k gt3’s are bonkers, especially as you’ll get into a 600LT for 100k less and the gt3 wouldn’t see which way that went. The fact the Porsche makes you a 100k and the McLaren losses you a similar amount is by the by. |
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Post by Martin on Jun 23, 2022 10:02:51 GMT
It is daft money, but there are loads of examples from £50k for a Golf / £70k for an A3 through to 4 year old 991.2 GTS at £100k or the cheapest 911 at a main dealer, a 2012 991 with 50k miles all beige interior and very few options for £53.5k!. A 4 year old 991.2 RS will set you back £200k+ and 992 GT3s are more than that, you won't find one for under £100k more than a 992 GTS. I hear you. The point being that 911’s shouldn’t be that money even if they are, At that money your opening up the market to some seriously interesting cars. 250k gt3’s are bonkers, especially as you’ll get into a 600LT for 100k less and the gt3 wouldn’t see which way that went. The fact the Porsche makes you a 100k and the McLaren losses you a similar amount is by the by. I do agree with you and it's one of the reasons I've pushed back thoughts of buying something. Thanks to the depreciation I can't help looking at McLarens, but the running costs are way above a Porsche and when looking at the financial side, the purchase cost isn't the most important factor, it's the total cost over 4 or 5 years. |
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Post by PetrolEd on Jun 23, 2022 10:19:08 GMT
I hear you. The point being that 911’s shouldn’t be that money even if they are, At that money your opening up the market to some seriously interesting cars. 250k gt3’s are bonkers, especially as you’ll get into a 600LT for 100k less and the gt3 wouldn’t see which way that went. The fact the Porsche makes you a 100k and the McLaren losses you a similar amount is by the by. I do agree with you and it's one of the reasons I've pushed back thoughts of buying something. Thanks to the depreciation I can't help looking at McLarens, but the running costs are way above a Porsche and when looking at the financial side, the purchase cost isn't the most important factor, it's the total cost over 4 or 5 years. Check out these guys for warranty if you haven’t already. I was trying to justify a 570s a few years ago. It almost made the maths possible. |
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Post by Martin on Jun 23, 2022 10:44:19 GMT
I do agree with you and it's one of the reasons I've pushed back thoughts of buying something. Thanks to the depreciation I can't help looking at McLarens, but the running costs are way above a Porsche and when looking at the financial side, the purchase cost isn't the most important factor, it's the total cost over 4 or 5 years. Check out these guys for warranty if you haven’t already. I was trying to justify a 570s a few years ago. It almost made the maths possible. No link, is it Thorney? If so, they are only 30 miles from home and a couple of miles from my nearest Porsche dealer. I don't know whether it's changed much, but they want £2,850 with a £10k cap per claim and the McLaren warranty is £2,985 or £5,600 for 2 years. The GT (which I do like in the right colour/spec) is now sub £130k from a McLaren dealer (£140k for 12 months old) and a decent spec 570 is just under £100k. McLaren think a £130k GT would be worth £65k after 4 years / 40k miles, so not horrendous depreciation compared to dropping £30k in the first year when it's a crazy market. My biggest issue with a 911 is usability. Not ease of use, but when I'd be able to drive it as it wouldn't be good form using it for work and it would be such a waste only doing a couple of thousand miles a year. A McLaren would be even worse in that respect. |
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Post by johnc on Jun 23, 2022 11:17:12 GMT
My biggest issue with a 911 is usability. Not ease of use, but when I'd be able to drive it as it wouldn't be good form using it for work and it would be such a waste only doing a couple of thousand miles a year. A McLaren would be even worse in that respect. A client of mine bought a year old Carrera S about this time last year. He has had countless issues with his customers and staff who, when they saw the Porsche, thought he was making too much money. Customers are more aggressive in resisting price increases and staff are looking for large pay rises. He is now driving a Citroen Berlingo and the Porsche stays in the garage for the weekend but he did say to me that it was an expensive ornament most of the time and he is losing his enthusiasm for it after the reaction he received. I think in the current climate, displays of wealth or perceived wealth are not good for business. |
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Post by Martin on Jun 23, 2022 11:31:50 GMT
My biggest issue with a 911 is usability. Not ease of use, but when I'd be able to drive it as it wouldn't be good form using it for work and it would be such a waste only doing a couple of thousand miles a year. A McLaren would be even worse in that respect. A client of mine bought a year old Carrera S about this time last year. He has had countless issues with his customers and staff who, when they saw the Porsche, thought he was making too much money. Customers are more aggressive in resisting price increases and staff are looking for large pay rises. He is now driving a Citroen Berlingo and the Porsche stays in the garage for the weekend but he did say to me that it was an expensive ornament most of the time and he is losing his enthusiasm for it after the reaction he received. I think in the current climate, displays of wealth or perceived wealth are not good for business. Yes, that's where I'm at right now and why I use the Golf more than my car when visiting my own sites. The 750 was great, because most people wouldn't have known/spotted the difference between that and the site managers company 530e. |
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Post by PG on Jun 23, 2022 14:16:10 GMT
A client of mine bought a year old Carrera S about this time last year. He has had countless issues with his customers and staff who, when they saw the Porsche, thought he was making too much money. Customers are more aggressive in resisting price increases and staff are looking for large pay rises. He is now driving a Citroen Berlingo and the Porsche stays in the garage for the weekend but he did say to me that it was an expensive ornament most of the time and he is losing his enthusiasm for it after the reaction he received. I think in the current climate, displays of wealth or perceived wealth are not good for business. Yes, that's where I'm at right now and why I use the Golf more than my car when visiting my own sites. The 750 was great, because most people wouldn't have known/spotted the difference between that and the site managers company 530e. I don't think it is just the current climate, but it's (even) worse now. When I was training as an accountant (early 1980's), customers used to comment if a partner turned up in a 911 as opposed to an XJ or a 7'er. Now they'd probably let his tyres down as well as complaining. |
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Post by Big Blue on Jul 7, 2022 19:16:32 GMT
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Post by ChrisM on Jul 7, 2022 19:48:51 GMT
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Post by Martin on Jul 15, 2022 9:11:54 GMT
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 15, 2022 9:14:42 GMT
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Post by johnc on Jul 15, 2022 9:20:32 GMT
That's a very nice car and with that engine, performance will always be there. |
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Post by Martin on Jul 15, 2022 9:34:09 GMT
It’s something I’d consider to replace the Golf, yes. Not sure Lindsay would be keen though! |
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Post by Martin on Jul 15, 2022 9:39:19 GMT
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Post by PetrolEd on Jul 15, 2022 10:06:27 GMT
Liking all of those options
Merc fabulous interior but those alloys are rather horrid
Alfa - Hell yes
BMW - best sensible all rounder - trying to get the missus into one of these but she doesn't want to spend all her money on fuel and wants a hybrid.
Loving the Alpina you posted earlier but what does the D3 give you over a M340d? Or is it just a posher version. I know Jeff's going to kill me for saying that. Genuine question
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 15, 2022 11:03:21 GMT
Yes, all of those are wonderful options and any of them would make an ideal family bus, especially when parked next to a 992.
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Post by Big Blue on Jul 15, 2022 14:32:52 GMT
Loving the Alpina you posted earlier but what does the D3 give you over a M340d? Or is it just a posher version. I know Jeff's going to kill me for saying that. Genuine question 🤬 Stripes is the answer. And the wheels. Nothing else. No changes to the suspension, handling, performance, gearbox programming…… Oh, seat roundels is the other thing you do get. 😆 D3s are great everyday cars that can still make you smile when you need to. |
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