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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 13:23:48 GMT
Tyres will need replacing at some point soon, and I've used Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetrics for a long time - always been completely happy with them. I've noted what's been written about others and the evo tyre test from a couple of months' ago not only isn't that complimentary about the Goodyears, but is absolutely full of praise for (and has nary a bad word to say about) the Michelin Pilot Sport 4.
Anyone have any comparative experience, or knowledge of the Michelins?
If I got through a set of tyres a year I'd be changing without hesitation but I get more than two years out of a set, so there's plenty of time to have regrets. |
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Post by michael on Aug 20, 2017 13:44:43 GMT
I went from eagle f1 to Michelin Pilot Sports on my D3 so can offer my own views with the obvious caveat that they are very different cars and the Alpina was developed for the Michelin.
Eagle f1 were a harder compound and lasted longer. They were also slightly quieter on most surfaces. They were less good in the rain as I recall being a bit skittish. From memory (think there is a thread on the old place) they were good to begin with but the deterioration in performance was quite significant and you wouldn't really realise how poor they were behaving as they got worn.
The Michelin were louder but more consistently good. You could lean on them much harder and it felt they were digging in where the Eagles would hold on but then let go altogether.
Let us know how you get on.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 13:49:32 GMT
Interesting. The Eagles never feel any older or different with wear - even when replaced the biggest difference is that the new set are quieter.
I note that the current Eagles are noticeably cheaper than the last model, so I wonder whether they have been cutting corners a little - might explain the differences.
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Post by Stuntman on Aug 20, 2017 14:03:34 GMT
I'd ask yourself what aspects of the car's feel you rate most highly (or would miss if they weren't present). I like the car to feel confidence-inspiring on turn-in (wet or dry) and predictable under lateral load in the wet.
When I first had the M3 it came on Michelin PS2s and it wasn't particularly good in the wet, even in a straight line sometimes. This was a surprise, because the E46 M3 on Michelins was very trustworthy in similar conditions. I swapped to Contis (SC5P and now SC6) on the M3 some years ago and prefer the car's wet handling demeanour on the Contis, I feel that I can trust the car more. So on the M3 I would prioritise things like curved aquaplaning and wet handling, together with subjective comments about steering feel.
The new PS4s do sound like a step on in most areas of performance and I will certainly see if I can get a set on the M3 next time round. I'm happy with the Contis if not.
I've only ever had Michelins on either Cayman (PS2s on the silver one, Cup 2s on the blue one) but they seem to suit the cars very well and have no desire to change brands.
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Post by Andy C on Aug 20, 2017 14:08:01 GMT
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Post by Roadsterstu on Aug 20, 2017 15:03:05 GMT
I've just ordered a pair of F1 3s, to replace the F1 2s on the front. F1 2s will remain on the rear. Although I might actually put the existing 2s on the front and the 3s on the back.
What do the Audi forums suggest?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 15:03:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 8:36:57 GMT
I haven't looked at any Audi forums (shudder), but I think there are two things I'd miss:
1) The sense of all-round competence - they really don't seem to be weak in any area, and
2) Like Simon P describes, they feel the same, wet or dry, hot or cold. It's only in extreme heat and with heavy usage that I sense the tyre not behaving in exactly the same way. Go into a corner swiftly in the wet on cold tyres and the feel through the wheel is the same as in the dry. I'd miss that a lot.
I recall that the F1 2s did well in previous tyre tests, so I do wonder if the cheaper 3s are not as proficient. I'm erring on trying the PS4s, I think.
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Post by Tim on Aug 21, 2017 13:24:50 GMT
I found the old arrowhead F1s to be almost silent on the Coupe but vary noisy on the M5, which was an issue.
Also, having switched the M5 to Contis its not only quieter but I see the TC flashing less often.
I think most one-marque forums I've seen get moist about Michelin PSs of all numbers.
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Post by Stuntman on Aug 21, 2017 17:49:24 GMT
Fairly interesting 9 minutes on the tyrereviews YouTube channel talking about the PSS (not the PS4S) versus the Conti SC6 on an E92 M3. The review reckons the Conti is better objectively for grip and traction in the wet and in the dry, but prefers the feel and balance of the Michelins for his car and his driving style.
He does say that both tyres are very good, and a different car (he specifically mentioned the RS4) or driving style may suit the other tyre better.
You probably won't go far wrong either way. Interesting that the reviewer seemed to concur with what I thought regarding the earlier Contis versus the earlier Michelins on the M3.
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Post by Andy C on Aug 21, 2017 18:47:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 7:36:14 GMT
Interesting Stunters, thanks for that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 14:05:19 GMT
I'm amazed at how far back I've needed to go to update this - booked in for a full set of the Pilot Sport 4S - the replacement for the old Supersport. Won TOTY in last evo test, although interestingly the Goodyears were 2nd.
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Post by PetrolEd on Aug 22, 2018 14:45:53 GMT
I changed to PS4s from P Zeros on my old Cayman and they were a massive improvement in every category apart from road noise. Increased grip in the dry no drop off in the wet, no slow speed judder when parking, better steering feel. Sport Contact 6 are apparently not far off the Michelin therefore I'd probably go on price between the two.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 14:56:45 GMT
I'll do a quick write-up after a few days, but the 4S is supposed to be a step up from the 4.
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Post by Big Blue on Aug 24, 2018 19:54:56 GMT
Looking forward to your write up as I have just set aside the funds for a set of PS4s.
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Post by Andy C on Aug 25, 2018 16:28:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 7:53:11 GMT
Interesting. I wonder what effect getting them run in first would have.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 12:15:04 GMT
I will have to invest in a set in the not too distant future. No idea what or where from tho'.
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Post by Tim on Aug 28, 2018 12:22:39 GMT
Going back to the Eagle F1s, I got a full set for the 320 last year and have done over 20k miles on them yet they're still only half worn.
Anyone know if this is related to them being runflats?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 13:44:39 GMT
No idea, but my set have lasted longer than usual this time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 13:31:07 GMT
Looking forward to your write up as I have just set aside the funds for a set of PS4s.
Thoughts out of the box? Not the most meaningful, as tyres are never at their best straight away, and I am drawing comparison with a set of pretty much down-to-the-limit Goodyears. But here goes:
Noise - surprisingly quiet, on a mix of many quality surfaces. It'd been suggested that they would be noisier than the Goodies, but I don't think so, even when new.
Ride - it strikes me that it's quite hard to separate ride and road noise completely - a lower noise floor suggests a better ride. I think the ride overall is pretty good, and being new they round things off better than the old Goodies, but there's definitely a greater sense of underlying firmness. The tyres feel slightly 'heavier', for want of a better word. And they probably are.
Turn in and feel - not a great deal of difference, but the turn-in is a little sharper, and there is a greater sense of forces building as you up the cornering ante - if no more feel at the limits.
Traction and grip - can't comment on the former (as I've never had a traction-limited tyre on this car), but they are grippier. It's not telegraphed to the degree that I had expected (which may be down to newness), but you can keep increasing lock beyond the point where the Goodyears would have waved the flag. I'm hoping that bite and feel at the front will get better still as the tyres are run in.
Stability - they seem just slightly more prone to wander than the Goodies. It's not that they deviate from true to any degree, but the feel through the wheel suggest that they are at least considering it. And a poorly-surfaced road does bring out just a little camber-hunt.
Overall, I'm pleased if not utterly bowled over, suggesting that the Goodies really were as good a match as I thought they were. Be interesting to see how they are in a few weeks. Hope that this helps, though I can see it may not!
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Post by Tim on Aug 29, 2018 14:54:12 GMT
Interesting.
Could the feeling of increased wanderiness simply be related to the greater depth of the treadblocks allowing a bit more squish and movement?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 15:10:55 GMT
Possibly, but my instincts are that their predecessors never did it when new. Unlike the Pirellis, which would happily lunge for every hedge...
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Post by Stuntman on Sept 1, 2018 16:36:17 GMT
Coincidentally, I have just had a full set of Pilot Sport 4S put onto the M3 today. Initial thoughts after 20 miles of driving are that the new tyres are quieter and ride better. I'll report back in a week's time, when they will have done another 300 miles or so.
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Post by franki68 on Sept 3, 2018 13:07:51 GMT
I'm a bit disappointed,I thought this was a thread on the sort of women we like.
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Post by johnc on Sept 3, 2018 16:55:58 GMT
I am currently poking around a C63 which has the Pilot Super Sports on 18's (I'd prefer 19's and I like the look of the 20's best but they destroy any chance of me finding the ride acceptable as a daily driver). Given that the C63 has some significant traction issues how much worse are they than the PS4s? Are we talking degrees of excellence?
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Post by Stuntman on Sept 3, 2018 19:12:16 GMT
I'm a bit disappointed,I thought this was a thread on the sort of women we like. Low profile and with good grip? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 20:24:29 GMT
Low rolling resistance?
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Post by Roadrunner on Sept 3, 2018 21:20:35 GMT
Perform well when wet...
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