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Sept 3, 2023 9:28:19 GMT
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Post by Martin on Sept 3, 2023 9:28:19 GMT
And to my GTS, which on a run to Suffolk yesterday was showing 29.8mpg. Starting without any electric range it does 36-38mpg on a run, so the energy recovery / deployment works pretty well. |
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Eco-Hatch
Sept 3, 2023 13:37:29 GMT
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Post by racingteatray on Sept 3, 2023 13:37:29 GMT
What’s mileage on yours? Mine is still only on 3500 miles
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Post by Martin on Sept 3, 2023 13:43:22 GMT
What’s mileage on yours? Mine is still only on 3500 miles 11,170. I've done 3,700 since the 10th June. |
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Sept 4, 2023 13:34:13 GMT
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Post by cbeaks1 on Sept 4, 2023 13:34:13 GMT
The 14 year old 520d just did 250 miles to Edgbaston and back at 65.2mpg. Very impressive. I did have to pay £8 ulez though.
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Post by Martin on Sept 4, 2023 14:32:11 GMT
The 14 year old 520d just did 250 miles to Edgbaston and back at 65.2mpg. Very impressive. I did have to pay £8 ulez though. That is impressive. Mine averaged around 45mpg, with the occasional brim to brim on the high 40s, but it was driven pretty hard and my motorway cruising speed was a lot higher 10 years ago. |
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Sept 5, 2023 22:39:44 GMT
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Post by racingteatray on Sept 5, 2023 22:39:44 GMT
Got 31.6mpg without trying as an average on the way back to London this evening. That was at an average of 49mph (for which you can blame crawling back across central London at 20mph) over 120 miles of mixed rural, motorway and urban and did include a couple of proper stabs of the accelerator.
All in all I had feared worse.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2023 0:14:45 GMT
It does seem fair considering the route, speed etc.
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Post by Big Blue on Sept 6, 2023 8:49:24 GMT
And to my GTS, which on a run to Suffolk yesterday was showing 29.8mpg. Starting without any electric range it does 36-38mpg on a run, so the energy recovery / deployment works pretty well. You clearly charge more than I do and your hybrid system is far more efficient than Eva's. That said the summer trip was 6,100kms and averaged 38.8mpg. on the long runs it was over 40mpg a couple of times - that's 4 up and fully loaded. Still waiting for full pictures of the next gen Panamera and 5er Touring as I'm halfway through the 4 years with this one and that means I need to consider speccing late next year / Jan 2025. I'm also considering full electric having seen a marked increase in charging stations this summer....... |
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Post by Martin on Sept 6, 2023 10:07:33 GMT
Starting without any electric range it does 36-38mpg on a run, so the energy recovery / deployment works pretty well. You clearly charge more than I do and your hybrid system is far more efficient than Eva's. That said the summer trip was 6,100kms and averaged 38.8mpg. on the long runs it was over 40mpg a couple of times - that's 4 up and fully loaded. Still waiting for full pictures of the next gen Panamera and 5er Touring as I'm halfway through the 4 years with this one and that means I need to consider speccing late next year / Jan 2025. I'm also considering full electric having seen a marked increase in charging stations this summer....... 6,100kms….that’s a proper road trip! |
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Post by PetrolEd on Sept 6, 2023 11:23:00 GMT
Starting without any electric range it does 36-38mpg on a run, so the energy recovery / deployment works pretty well. You clearly charge more than I do and your hybrid system is far more efficient than Eva's. That said the summer trip was 6,100kms and averaged 38.8mpg. on the long runs it was over 40mpg a couple of times - that's 4 up and fully loaded. Still waiting for full pictures of the next gen Panamera and 5er Touring as I'm halfway through the 4 years with this one and that means I need to consider speccing late next year / Jan 2025. I'm also considering full electric having seen a marked increase in charging stations this summer....... That's a hell of a lot of stopping to charge in 6,100Km. |
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Post by Big Blue on Sept 6, 2023 11:43:23 GMT
That's a hell of a lot of stopping to charge in 6,100Km. Agreed but looking at the break down of the trip, some short toilet stops in the longer legs of the trip would push the batteries to the eating stops with a longer charge time. It's still unlikely I'll try it but I saw a couple of Scandinavian registered EVs so I wouldn't be some kind of pioneer. Where we stopped for longer there was charging at some: Disneyland Paris; an overnight in Mačon; in-laws (although I'd probably catch fire to their electrics! so I didn't try); Mum's house. However where there wasn't any overnight charging was: Strasbourg (overnight hotel); Izola (Slovenia) where the resort had none and these anomalies are what make people like me reticent to go fully electric. I could add in "charging available" to my hotel and resort searches but that would probably increase the costs of the trip (I spent enough as it was!). I guess journey planning around charging is the way to avoid any panic but on the way back I took the D-roads up to Grenoble and on to Maćon - no charging up in them there mountains! and driving uphill in 35 o with aircon and seat cooling is going to pummel range. I note the next gen Cayenne has proper switches for aircon and the assumption is the Panamera will have too. That's one area where most others have fucked right up in their interior designers' race for iPhone-emulation when it's not wanted. |
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Post by chipbutty on Sept 6, 2023 13:17:23 GMT
240 miles to Newcastle - 32 mpg recorded on the way out, 32.2 mpg on the way back. Saving the Polar Bears one mile at a time  |
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Post by Tim on Sept 11, 2023 7:12:02 GMT
I'm just back from a week in Ullapool.
I didn't record economy but on the way up there I left the house with a range of 251 miles and got to Inverness - 133 miles later - with a range of 238 miles!
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Eco-Hatch
Sept 11, 2023 8:10:04 GMT
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Post by clunes on Sept 11, 2023 8:10:04 GMT
I'm just back from a week in Ullapool. I didn't record economy but on the way up there I left the house with a range of 251 miles and got to Inverness - 133 miles later - with a range of 238 miles! I enjoy those times when I’m driving and see the mileage estimate go up. The vast majority of my driving is short journeys on smaller roads and I have a heavy right foot so my average consumption is poor but the N52 engine can be fairly frugal on the motorway so I can travel quite some distance without seeing any drop. |
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Post by johnc on Sept 11, 2023 9:15:30 GMT
That's a hell of a lot of stopping to charge in 6,100Km. Agreed but looking at the break down of the trip, some short toilet stops in the longer legs of the trip would push the batteries to the eating stops with a longer charge time. It's still unlikely I'll try it but I saw a couple of Scandinavian registered EVs so I wouldn't be some kind of pioneer. Where we stopped for longer there was charging at some: Disneyland Paris; an overnight in Mačon; in-laws (although I'd probably catch fire to their electrics! so I didn't try); Mum's house. However where there wasn't any overnight charging was: Strasbourg (overnight hotel); Izola (Slovenia) where the resort had none and these anomalies are what make people like me reticent to go fully electric. I could add in "charging available" to my hotel and resort searches but that would probably increase the costs of the trip (I spent enough as it was!). I guess journey planning around charging is the way to avoid any panic but on the way back I took the D-roads up to Grenoble and on to Maćon - no charging up in them there mountains! and driving uphill in 35 o with aircon and seat cooling is going to pummel range. I note the next gen Cayenne has proper switches for aircon and the assumption is the Panamera will have too. That's one area where most others have fucked right up in their interior designers' race for iPhone-emulation when it's not wanted. You have to remember that the cost of charging on the road is astronomical. Charging from home is somewhere around 31p/Kwh or as low as 7.5p/Kwh if you have a night time EV tariff with someone like Octopus. On the road, the minimum charge is now around 75p/Kwh with many charging 79p or the highest we have seen, 83p/Kwh. At 75p/Kwh and motorway speeds, that it the equivalent of about 20mpg. Even I get 31/32mpg at motorway speeds. |
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Post by Tim on Sept 11, 2023 11:02:40 GMT
I'm just back from a week in Ullapool. I didn't record economy but on the way up there I left the house with a range of 251 miles and got to Inverness - 133 miles later - with a range of 238 miles! I enjoy those times when I’m driving and see the mileage estimate go up. The vast majority of my driving is short journeys on smaller roads and I have a heavy right foot so my average consumption is poor but the N52 engine can be fairly frugal on the motorway so I can travel quite some distance without seeing any drop. I have the same issue with short journeys and a heavy right foot but there's no point in having a fast car and then dawdling all the time  |
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Post by Big Blue on Sept 11, 2023 16:56:26 GMT
You have to remember that the cost of charging on the road is astronomical. Charging from home is somewhere around 31p/Kwh or as low as 7.5p/Kwh if you have a night time EV tariff with someone like Octopus. On the road, the minimum charge is now around 75p/Kwh with many charging 79p or the highest we have seen, 83p/Kwh. At 75p/Kwh and motorway speeds, that it the equivalent of about 20mpg. Even I get 31/32mpg at motorway speeds. Yes: I must say this is another reason to maintain the Hybrid ownership: charge where it's cost effective only. I stopped charging Eva at the Country Club because the cost is simply not worth the bother. I can get better value for money rolling off the throttle and recuperation charging on the hill back to Epsom! |
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Post by Martin on Jun 24, 2024 15:38:27 GMT
How time flies and all that, it was the Panamera's 12 month anniversary a couple of weeks ago. Since collecting it I've covered 14,082 miles and according to the app have had just under 347 hours driving time at an average speed of 40mpg and it has achieved (it ignores electricity) 50.4mpg. The great thing about that is I've only had to visit a petrol station 18 times! Sticking with running costs, it's averaged out at 16.6p/mile running on full fat petrol. In the not so good running costs category are tyres at £1,600 for a set of 4 and an oil change for £800. I'm going to ignore depreciation, it's irrelevant as I'm not planning on changing it....but it has been epic and not in a good way.
Onto the more interesting points. It is without doubt, the best car I've ever owned and feels special just pulling off the drive, maybe even before you drive off because of the seating postion, central rev counter and view out over the 'curvy arches'.
OK, the engine isn't as special as the one in the 750i, but as great as that was it was also frustrating because you couldn't always enjoy it when you wanted to, that would have been an even better car with 4WD. I don't miss the Range Rover at all, which was a slight concern when I made the change, but there has only been the occasional thought about it when the weather was particularly bad. The Panamera gets to 85-90% of the comfort of the RR when you're pottering along or on the motorway, but it has a much broader range of abilities than any other car I've owned. The suspension has 3 modes, comfort/sport/sport plus and all are usable and there's quite a noticeable distance between each one. It is a bit firmer than my last two cars in comfort, but it's got the lowest profile tyres by some margin and that's not a bad thing, I prefer that over a soft and potentially wallow ride. It doesn't feel as big as it is when you're pushing on, I don't know how much that is down to the rear wheel steer as the two cars I drove had it, but I assume it makes a difference and it did feel slightly smaller than the Macan when I drove them back to back. The PDK gearbox has a dual personality as well, changes aren't noticeable at lower speeds or in comfort and if the Sports Exhaust is off you only know it's changing between electric and petrol by looking at the rev counter (front and centre in the dash and HUD). In Sport Plus, it somehow knows exactly when to change and when to hold onto a gear, slightly less so in the other drive modes but still comparable with the ZF gearbox I've had in my last 3 cars in terms of smoothness. I think the electric motor helps smooth things out at all speeds and as you're in EV mode at low speed, you don't get the slight jerkiness you can sometimes get with a DSG (Golf and Macan are the only ones I've driven). It really quiet too, especially impressive when you think about the amount of rubber there is on the road, 275/35x21 front and 315/30x21 rear.
The interior is really well put together from great materials, it' a lovely place to spend time and feels like several steps up from what I'm used to.
What else do I like....I enjoy the benefit of the HUD/ventilated seats/comfort access every day and are things I've got used to, the Burmester Hifi is well worth the extra cost imo and a significant upgrade from the Bose system, I'd have to listen to it back to back with the B&W system to know which was best. One thing I love and think every car should have is the variable door stop, being able to open the door at any angle and it stay in place even on a decent slope is just brilliant. Other than that, it's just so nice to drive, I enjoy every mile whether it's crawling along in traffic (it has innodrive, so voodoo cruise + lane keep + traffic assist) in electric on the motorway or an empty A/B road.
It also ticks the 'look back' box. I loved the way the 750 looked and a full fat Range Rover is a good looking vehicle, but the Panamera hatch really is a great looking car, particularly on 21" wheels. That's not just imho, I've never had so many complements on a car, especially from complete strangers.
We're taking it to France for a long weekend in 4 weeks, really looking forward to it. (It's been a while, 7 years with the 535d)
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