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Post by racingteatray on Sept 10, 2020 19:19:16 GMT
Anyone considering the purchase of a Velar or F-Pace in December should keep their eyes peeled for interesting developments over the next few weeks. Good developments? |
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Post by PG on Sept 10, 2020 19:23:41 GMT
Anyone considering the purchase of a Velar or F-Pace in December should keep their eyes peeled for interesting developments over the next few weeks. Good developments? There's been lots of camo'd up F-Paces running about, so I expect the interior and exterior are about to get the same treatment as the XE did. Which brings the interior into line with the i-Pace anbd the exterior probbaly a bit more "F-Pace SVR" which is no bad thing. Engine wise, I've no idea. But maybe 6 cylinders (the 400hp mild hybrid engine?) and a PHEV (although the PHEV would a 4 cylinder as in the RRS I assume). |
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Post by chipbutty on Sept 10, 2020 20:01:53 GMT
Most definitely
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Post by Alex on Sept 11, 2020 5:29:04 GMT
Being in London as you are likely to remain. Have you looked at the i-pace? Other than when you travel to the continent, which will need a but more planning, the range should be fine and its unlikely to be banned from the centre of town just yet.
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Post by racingteatray on Sept 11, 2020 7:47:22 GMT
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Post by racingteatray on Sept 11, 2020 7:50:24 GMT
Being in London as you are likely to remain. Have you looked at the i-pace? Other than when you travel to the continent, which will need a but more planning, the range should be fine and its unlikely to be banned from the centre of town just yet. To be honest, I've never been a huge fan of the way it looks. It's also pretty wide and I don't know whether the ground clearance is decent. As regards continental travel, it's one thing in a Tesla with the supercharger network, but I'd be concerned about doing it in anything that didn't have ready access to a network of compatible fast chargers. Not sure what's available for an I-Pace. |
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Post by racingteatray on Sept 11, 2020 8:58:45 GMT
Another possibility to check out is the RSQ3 Sportback - it's about the only coupe SUV I think looks vaguely ok. And again, it's Macan-sized these days.
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Post by Martin on Sept 11, 2020 9:27:30 GMT
Another possibility to check out is the RSQ3 Sportback - it's about the only coupe SUV I think looks vaguely ok. And again, it's Macan-sized these days. Vaguely OK.....surely not enough to get it onto the shortlist, especially when it's an easy £60k, which makes an A45S look good value! It's not really Macan sized, it's barely any longer than an A Class, but I watched the carwow review a while back and it does have a decent sized boot. But IIRC it only got a 'consider' (as opposed to 'shortlist' or 'buy'). |
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Post by Tim on Sept 11, 2020 9:51:04 GMT
That's lovely and appears to be a bit of a bargain. Can't believe those wheels are 20 inches though! |
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Post by PetrolEd on Sept 11, 2020 9:55:00 GMT
X3M 40i - No doubt you'll get some fabulously cheap monthly deal out of BMW, which will be hard to ignore, especially when compared to JLR stuff
Stelvio - Got to be worth a drive of a QV. I think the lesser models a little boring. Being Italian its got to get the nod from the her indoors.
Velar - Very nice but have to be optioned just so, and just so in my language is bloody expensive and so will the monthly payments
F-Pace - Good shout, decent engines, can be had used at a decent price but the delas will probably only match that of a new X3
Macan - Id go for a used GTS, hopefully pre facelift as don't like the rear of the new one. hugely expensive for what they are but you've got to think about the little depreciation because the balloon won't reflect that in the quote you get. I followed a mate around Silverstone in his Macan GTS when I had my GT4 and I dind't exactly blow its doors off as I came past. Very impressive machine and always felt they handled similar to a 140i
The only problem I see is the financing costs on used cars or non manufacturer approved schemes, as Balloon values have been dropped to 75% of cap in the Covid Crisis so its making cars look expensive on the monthlies.
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Post by michael on Sept 11, 2020 10:49:16 GMT
That's lovely and appears to be a bit of a bargain. Can't believe those wheels are 20 inches though! The F-Pace would need a major interior upgrade to be competitive with anything else in that price bracket. |
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Post by johnc on Sept 11, 2020 11:00:13 GMT
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Post by johnc on Sept 11, 2020 11:05:29 GMT
I have a client with one of these and he loves it, having come from a 540i. usedcars.bmw.co.uk/vehicle/202007241658622?quoteref=4842bb9f-8654-4cb3-8efa-df33a5805c4fI know there maybe isn't a lot of love for the looks but they are really good cars and handle and drive way better than most would expect. The adaptive suspension also makes a big difference as do the make of tyres. EDIT: After this weekend's trip I will write up a piece on the i-Pace. But for someone who has come from a BMW with Professional SatNav and voice control, any JLR product is going to feel prehistoric. Give a BMW satnav the name of a hotel or service station by voice command and it brings it up and gives you directions within seconds. The JLR satnav just doesn't and you need to type a postcode into a touch screen which for the driver is very difficult if not impossible. |
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Post by Martin on Sept 11, 2020 11:13:18 GMT
That's lovely and appears to be a bit of a bargain. Can't believe those wheels are 20 inches though! The F-Pace would need a major interior upgrade to be competitive with anything else in that price bracket. It's long overdue, the door cards and centre console in particular are completely unacceptable even at the base model price. Agree with you on the JLR voice control, it's crap compared to what I'm used to. The Sat Nav isn't quite as good, but is better than I expected, the live traffic is as good as BMW and I like having speed cameras on there. I thought I'd have to use CarPlay all the time like I do in the Golf, but I don't. Getting to POI like petrol stations (which shows current prices when they're listed) isn't difficult but it's different and less intuitive, so takes a bit of getting used to |
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Post by Tim on Sept 11, 2020 11:27:16 GMT
You're a sick man!! That Merc is unpleasant. When did you get a Macan or am I misreading your final sentence. |
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Post by Martin on Sept 11, 2020 11:29:12 GMT
You're a sick man!! That Merc is unpleasant. When did you get a Macan or am I misreading your final sentence. He's comparing the stats I posted with the M5. I know someone who moved from an M4 to Macan GTS and he really liked it but was shocked by the reduction in economy and range. |
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Post by johnc on Sept 11, 2020 11:30:20 GMT
You're a sick man!! That Merc is unpleasant. When did you get a Macan or am I misreading your final sentence. The Macan reference was regarding Martin's post from Fuelly or whatever it's called. I must be sick because I think that Merc is one of the better looking of its breed. The Cayenne coupe I really like!!! But then I have always liked coupes. |
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Post by Martin on Sept 11, 2020 11:32:33 GMT
You're a sick man!! That Merc is unpleasant. When did you get a Macan or am I misreading your final sentence. The Macan reference was regarding Martin's post from Fuelly or whatever it's called. I must be sick because I think that Merc is one of the better looking of its breed. The Cayenne coupe I really like!!! But then I have always liked coupes. The GLC coupe is better than the current X4 and the last GLE Coupe, but it's still awful, especially the chrome trim across the back and the running boards. I know this has been discussed many times, but none of them are coupes! |
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Post by Tim on Sept 11, 2020 11:42:00 GMT
Ok, maybe I was being a bit harsh and it's certainly better looking than the X4, but then what isn't?
The one linked to would be better if you could get rid of the chrome strip and the weird eyebrows above the back lights.
A colleague has a 2018 diesel one and I was surprised at the relatively poor quality of some of the interior plastics but then I assume they're building these down to a price so they can offer very low lease offers?
I presume the official stats for the petrol Porsches will be amended now they're looking onto cheat software on them?
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Post by chipbutty on Sept 11, 2020 12:18:07 GMT
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Post by ChrisM on Sept 11, 2020 13:23:28 GMT
Chances of the GC still being "quarantined" in Italy in December ??
With so much uncertaintly in the world at the moment, what are the reasons for changing it rather than buying it outright? Just a wish to have a change, or some other underlying reason?
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Post by Stuntman on Sept 11, 2020 13:37:39 GMT
Stelvio QF, Macan GTS or Turbo, F-Pace SVR or the hot Velar would be my mid size SUV shortlist. The Stelvio would surely be the most apt for your possible intended usage?
In your position though I would probably keep the 4GC unless I really wanted to change that car. Especially if that meant I could then add a sportscar.
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Post by racingteatray on Sept 11, 2020 13:46:19 GMT
Who knows.
We might well keep it for another year or so.
But end of PCP is always a good moment to have a sniff around. And whilst of course I'd like a 911 or some-such similar, realistically speaking it still needs to be a car no less practical than the 4GC and preferably with much better ground-clearance.
Having driven my car a lot over the summer - far more than normal - I can now see the appeal of an SUV.
I can't drive like my hair's on fire most of the time because either my wife's in the car (and she condones such things only if we are really late) or the traffic conditions/road surface doesn't permit it. So the nth degree of handling prowess is neither here nor there, and a decent SUV will probably be more than sufficient.
And in Italy at least there were surprisingly many occasions when a more go-anywhere vehicle with more forgiving suspension would have been useful.
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Post by PG on Sept 11, 2020 15:07:15 GMT
Who knows. We might well keep it for another year or so. But end of PCP is always a good moment to have a sniff around. And whilst of course I'd like a 911 or some-such similar, realistically speaking it still needs to be a car no less practical than the 4GC and preferably with much better ground-clearance. Having driven my car a lot over the summer - far more than normal - I can now see the appeal of an SUV. I can't drive like my hair's on fire most of the time because either my wife's in the car (and she condones such things only if we are really late) or the traffic conditions/road surface doesn't permit it. So the nth degree of handling prowess is neither here nor there, and a decent SUV will probably be more than sufficient. And in Italy at least there were surprisingly many occasions when a more go-anywhere vehicle with more forgiving suspension would have been useful. Having been passengered in our friends' Macans (a diesel, a GTS and a Turbo), I'm not sure that "more forgiving suspension" is what Macans offer. They go really well, are nice inside, are not huge (I'd say 3 series sized inside), but the suspension felt pretty stiff in all of them. I think you'd have to try one on some pot holed shitty roads to see what you thought. |
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Post by franki68 on Sept 12, 2020 7:35:15 GMT
Who knows. We might well keep it for another year or so. But end of PCP is always a good moment to have a sniff around. And whilst of course I'd like a 911 or some-such similar, realistically speaking it still needs to be a car no less practical than the 4GC and preferably with much better ground-clearance. Having driven my car a lot over the summer - far more than normal - I can now see the appeal of an SUV. I can't drive like my hair's on fire most of the time because either my wife's in the car (and she condones such things only if we are really late) or the traffic conditions/road surface doesn't permit it. So the nth degree of handling prowess is neither here nor there, and a decent SUV will probably be more than sufficient. And in Italy at least there were surprisingly many occasions when a more go-anywhere vehicle with more forgiving suspension would have been useful. Having been passengered in our friends' Macans (a diesel, a GTS and a Turbo), I'm not sure that "more forgiving suspension" is what Macans offer. They go really well, are nice inside, are not huge (I'd say 3 series sized inside), but the suspension felt pretty stiff in all of them. I think you'd have to try one on some pot holed shitty roads to see what you thought. You can get air suspension for them I think ,I made sure the wife’s cayenne had it although I was surprised how few cayennes had it ,may be tricky to find on a macan. |
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Post by PG on Sept 15, 2020 8:01:33 GMT
Updated F-Pace in the press this morning - Exterior tweaks Big interior upgrade New 6 cylinder engines, including the 400hp petrol 6-er (same engine as in RRS). New PHEV (same P400e engine as in RRS). Doesn't seem to on the configurator yet.   |
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Post by Martin on Sept 15, 2020 8:03:43 GMT
It deserves it's own thread....   |
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Post by PG on Sept 15, 2020 8:09:26 GMT
It deserves it's own thread.... Indeed it does - and now has...... |
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Post by Martin on Sept 15, 2020 8:11:55 GMT
It deserves it's own thread.... Indeed it does - and now has...... It had one 3 hours ago.....  |
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