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Post by LandieMark on Nov 26, 2020 9:43:28 GMT
The irony of dismissing a Wikipedia entry as a credible source and then double downing on quoting a site for racist anti semites, then bemoaning Trump’s inability to drain the swamp. Simon, we now know where you stand and it’s not pleasant. Yes, I have to confess that made me giggle a little when I opened the page this morning. 😂
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Post by PetrolEd on Nov 26, 2020 9:54:58 GMT
What I can never work out with the theorists who promote this is the government controlling people and we're all going to be reset and sent back to Victorian times, Bill Gates is controlling the population and wants to kill 60% of people on earth is where is the upside.
The governments never been less popular, control is contentment not panic. Bill Gates in theory needs to sell to the developing nations not kill them off to make money. It all makes no sense.
Point me in the direction of someone credible sprouting this stuff but from what I see these theorists are just angry and the world and upset with their own limitations and rather then congratulate effort what to shit on it.
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 26, 2020 10:18:20 GMT
(snip) Point me in the direction of someone credible sprouting this stuff ... David Icke ??
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 26, 2020 20:58:02 GMT
Well, we're all doomed anyway. Private Fraser in Dad's Army was right.
After 4 weeks, nearly a month of Lockdown2, we will next week go into a state of having more restrictions imposed than during Lockdown2.
So the reward of locking ourselves up for a month and reducing the spread is to be subjected to even more severe restrictions on everyday life. This all started with "Eat out to spread it about" and the government urging more people (including civil servants) to return to their normal place of work. I really wonder where we are heading next....
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 26, 2020 21:07:40 GMT
Well, I've had the flu jab (wife booked it) and the nurse warned me that, as I couldn't remember when, if ever, I'd had one before, it might make me feel a bit, well, fluey for a short while.
It does. Dosed to the eyeballs with Solpadeine in order to get through the hellish Middle Eastern deal I have closing tomorrow morning!
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Post by LandieMark on Nov 26, 2020 21:27:01 GMT
Best of luck. This year's flu jab had no adverse effect on me at all.
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Post by michael on Nov 26, 2020 21:54:54 GMT
What I can never work out with the theorists who promote this ... I remember that bloke from Germany who was insistent the Tesla car in space was fake and I could never understand why as it took so much effort to believe something so made up.
I can however see why people look for reasons as to the actions of governments globally at the moment but that's not to say I agree with their conclusions. I watched the video Simon posted and for me it simply doesn't add up but that's only the start. This isn't an attack on Simon, as I think he's a good egg. The biggest problem with their argument is that it doesn't make sense as a means to accrue power. Capitalism is the most effective way to generate wealth which is why those rich people got rich. The reset concept of owning resources is basically the same as marxism except rather than dress up the workers owning the means of production it's presented as a more sinister cabal of elites owning those means. The thing is if that was the case people wouldn't produce so what have the elite got to enjoy? There would be no luxuries made, no yachts or cars. No art, performances and no military to keep the hordes at bay because you couldn't pay them. Money will always exist, humans have traded for as long as they exist, monkeys do it to an extent, we find currency even in a vacuum.
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Post by PG on Nov 26, 2020 22:01:48 GMT
Best of luck. This year's flu jab had no adverse effect on me at all. Last year's made us both feel shyte for a few days. This year's had no adverse effects.
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 26, 2020 22:07:04 GMT
The biggest problem with their argument is that it doesn't make sense as a means to accrue power. Capitalism is the most effective way to generate wealth which is why those rich people got rich. The reset concept of owning resources is basically the same as marxism except rather than dress up the workers owning the means of production it's presented as a more sinister cabal of elites owning those means. The thing is if that was the case people wouldn't produce so what have the elite got to enjoy? There would be no luxuries made, no yachts or cars. No art, performances and no military to keep the hordes at bay because you couldn't pay them. Money will always exist, humans have traded for as long as they exist, monkeys do it to an extent, we find currency even in a vacuum.
Berlin... and the fall of East Germany. One of the reasons that the Wall (and Iron Curtain) fell was because there were no luxuries etc... the only car that the East Germans could buy was the Trabant, hardly an shining example of high-technology. I've checked inside the Dyson.... sadly no coins or banknotes there
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Post by michael on Nov 26, 2020 22:14:25 GMT
Berlin... and the fall of East Germany. One of the reasons that the Wall (and Iron Curtain) fell was because there were no luxuries etc... the only car that the East Germans could buy was the Trabant, hardly an shining example of high-technology. I've checked inside the Dyson.... sadly no coins or banknotes thereExactly, without competition, capitalism and the market nothing develops. Including Dysons.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 26, 2020 22:39:28 GMT
Best of luck. This year's flu jab had no adverse effect on me at all. Last year's made us both feel shyte for a few days. This year's had no adverse effects. Yeah, I had mine a couple of weeks ago. No ill effects. Wasn't there some sort of study a while back where they gave people a placebo flu injection and many said they still suffered side effects?
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 27, 2020 0:19:44 GMT
To be fair it could equally be the accumulated stress and lack of sleep from trying to drive this deal forward over the last two weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 0:31:19 GMT
There are always going to be suggestible people around. Look at how Gullible Brown was when Bleuch said he would be PM soon......
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Post by michael on Dec 2, 2020 9:30:20 GMT
Pfizer has regulatory approval, the roll out starts next week. Great news.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 10:20:48 GMT
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Post by Big Blue on Dec 2, 2020 12:49:40 GMT
That's a genuine Contract Award Notice (CAN), yes. It relates to development of an app that will collect data which will then be used to model ADRs and use the data to assist with the refinement of the vaccine (the drug company(ies) will welcome the data collection and it's simpler for an Authority to gather data than a Private / Listed Company) and development of ASR treatment.
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 2, 2020 13:00:27 GMT
That's a genuine Contract Award Notice (CAN), yes. It relates to development of an app that will collect data which will then be used to model ADRs and use the data to assist with the refinement of the vaccine (the drug company(ies) will welcome the data collection and it's simpler for an Authority to gather data than a Private / Listed Company) and development of ASR treatment. Are you absolutely sure that it isn't actually going to be used to just suck the actual neurons from our brains and turn us all into mindless Eloi to be exploited by Gates and his fellow Morlocks??
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 14:21:43 GMT
You need to copyright that before Stephen Spielberg see's this page. Right up his passage.
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Post by Big Blue on Dec 8, 2020 10:46:42 GMT
So the first recipient is a 91 year old. Forgive me for being a cunt but is that actually a sensible use of what is a very costly vaccine?
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Post by michael on Dec 8, 2020 11:04:35 GMT
So the first recipient is a 91 year old. Forgive me for being a cunt but is that actually a sensible use of what is a very costly vaccine? It's £15 so I imagine the old dear and her family would think you were being a bit of a cunt in the valuation of her life
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Post by Roadrunner on Dec 8, 2020 11:14:11 GMT
So the first recipient is a 91 year old. Forgive me for being a cunt but is that actually a sensible use of what is a very costly vaccine? I must admit that thought had crossed my mind too. But she seems quite perky for her age, so maybe we shall her about her 100th birthday in nine years time.
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Post by Big Blue on Dec 8, 2020 11:59:44 GMT
I think my reaction was more surprise at the first recipient being so aged as opposed to a more ingrained cuntiness on my part. I think there will be some comments about “old aged white lady gets vaccinated before high-risk health workers” so be prepared for my initial reaction to appear mild if you go on social media today.
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Post by michael on Dec 8, 2020 12:04:21 GMT
It's a case of pleasing no one. David Lammy first demanded ethnic minorities get the vaccine as a priority and when they said yes he then cried fowl that ethnic minorities were being used as guinea pigs.
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 8, 2020 12:44:27 GMT
It's a case of pleasing no one. David Lammy first demanded ethnic minorities get the vaccine as a priority and when they said yes he then cried fowl that ethnic minorities were being used as guinea pigs. I am now envisaging David Lammy clucking and squawking like a demented hen...
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Post by michael on Dec 8, 2020 12:46:24 GMT
Gahhh! Avian flu is rife around here.
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Post by chipbutty on Dec 8, 2020 14:01:01 GMT
This is the entire point isn't it ? Covid is only dangerous (by in large) to the very elderly and the sick. This is the reason why " we " have damaged our economy and the social and mental well being of millions, because it's already been decided that we cannot let these people die slightly ahead of schedule.
It therefore stands to reason that these people are exactly the ones who can be vaccinated first so that the restrictions can be lifted PDQ.
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Post by Stuntman on Dec 8, 2020 17:29:09 GMT
I agree with Pete here. Do all the old and vulnerable people first, and as quickly as we can. Get everyone over 50 done by March or April. For almost everyone under 50 you would have to be extremely statistically unlucky to be seriously ill or die from Covid.
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Post by ChrisM on Dec 8, 2020 22:19:21 GMT
This is the entire point isn't it ? Covid is only dangerous (by in large) to the very elderly and the sick. This is the reason why " we " have damaged our economy and the social and mental well being of millions, because it's already been decided that we cannot let these people die slightly ahead of schedule. It therefore stands to reason that these people are exactly the ones who can be vaccinated first so that the restrictions can be lifted PDQ. ... but the very elderly don't generally go to work (most of them are retired), ditto those who were already sick. We just needed to stop the elderly and sick from meeting each other and youngsters in shops, restaurants and pubs etc, we didn't need to shut down the entire economy
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Post by LandieMark on Dec 8, 2020 22:36:40 GMT
Good luck with that. Most of the people up here breaking the first lockdown were the elderly saying "fuck you" to the lockdown.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 10:30:16 GMT
That's a genuine Contract Award Notice (CAN), yes. It relates to development of an app that will collect data which will then be used to model ADRs and use the data to assist with the refinement of the vaccine (the drug company(ies) will welcome the data collection and it's simpler for an Authority to gather data than a Private / Listed Company) and development of ASR treatment. You make it sound as if the phase 3 long term testing is being carried out on the public. Which it is...
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