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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2020 19:28:40 GMT
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Post by Alex on Jun 17, 2020 9:13:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 15:59:06 GMT
The Colston thing boils my piss. It’s just looking into the past to generate faux outrage in the present. And it’s not even a truthful look into the past. The subtext is that white man enslaved black man and we should feel a collective guilt about it. That wasn’t most white men. I’m from generations of Durham miners. My great grandad was down the mine at 14. Generations before him went down the pit at 11. When slavery was a abolished they were still sending young children and women down the mines for 11 hour shifts. The point being that being a black slave and being white british and lower class is hard to distinguish in 1810. It was horrific for the vast majority of people, But I’m not going to find some epitaph to british coal and chuck it in the Tyne, instead, every time I look at my kids I’m thankful that they don’t have to live that life and I can put them and their kids in an even better place. This writer agrees with you. www.spiked-online.com/2020/06/17/the-myth-of-white-privilege/ |
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Post by garry on Jun 17, 2020 20:04:48 GMT
The Colston thing boils my piss. It’s just looking into the past to generate faux outrage in the present. And it’s not even a truthful look into the past. The subtext is that white man enslaved black man and we should feel a collective guilt about it. That wasn’t most white men. I’m from generations of Durham miners. My great grandad was down the mine at 14. Generations before him went down the pit at 11. When slavery was a abolished they were still sending young children and women down the mines for 11 hour shifts. The point being that being a black slave and being white british and lower class is hard to distinguish in 1810. It was horrific for the vast majority of people, But I’m not going to find some epitaph to british coal and chuck it in the Tyne, instead, every time I look at my kids I’m thankful that they don’t have to live that life and I can put them and their kids in an even better place. This writer agrees with you. www.spiked-online.com/2020/06/17/the-myth-of-white-privilege/He’s a little more eloquent than me! |
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Post by Tim on Jun 18, 2020 9:08:15 GMT
Oxford uni folk wanting rid of the Rhodes statue.
Are they going to give away ALL of the money and legacies that have come from him too?
Somehow I doubt it.
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Post by PG on Jun 18, 2020 9:31:40 GMT
He’s a little more eloquent than me! I think that author needs to be careful what he wishes for. His point is valid, that in many ways poor, working class white people were exploited as much as black slaves. But he does not have a conclusion to his article. Which means that there are two possible views you can take - Either, the answer is poor black and white people should rise up together, against the oppressors - the rich, capital owners. Which is what BLM are really after. Welcome to the socialist utopia. Or, quit your moaning and whining, you've all, black and white, got it way better than your forefathers so work together and move forward. |
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Post by Big Blue on Jun 18, 2020 9:53:03 GMT
I have an issue with the fact that this is some agenda spread by a relatively small group who want their view of history to be the "correct" one based on their current day hindsight and social views. How many of them are prepared to take on gun-toting, torturing, kidnapping, raping modern-day slave traders and people traffickers? (I concede that there are some but not all of them come from the groups baying for historic dried blood).
Yes the past was bad, yes it paid for many people to get wealthy and in turn their wealth and benevolence has paid for many to better their lives. There is also a massive difference between statues of Adolf, Ceausescu, Stalin and those of Rhodes, Colston, Churchill etc. because the former were considered by the majority contemporaneous population / society to be evil fuckers whereas the latter were considered among those people that made society what it was then and continues to be today through financial or historic legacy.
I'm also concerned at all the BAME complainers that yearn for or drive BMWs and Mercedes' - have they looked at the history of their former leadership? The Quandt family employed slave labour and has not paid a penny to any charity or fund and whilst BMW have avoided being implicated in this as the company wasn't backed by the Quandt's until the '50s, the BMW factories used forced labour from concentration camps (ie "slaves" but just not BAME ones) throughout the Nazi period, as did Daimler Benz.
The best meme of the week has been the queues of people waiting outside the Nike shop, many of whom no doubt "protested" over the previous two weekends - it's OK to complain about slavery by some 200-years-dead guy but those kids working 14 hour days for half a dollar a week, they're fine provided the trainers keep coming.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 10:17:28 GMT
The BLM thing plays into the hands of the elites perfectly as it is dividing the white majority into factions, too. There are the lefty liberal types* who seem to be more up in arms about the whole thing than the blacks, those like me that think the whole thing is ridiculous and the real minority, the hard right. Which is exactly why they're gifting BLM millions of dollars. www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/10/11/pers-o11.htmlIt appears that they've been at it since the sixties, too. jacobinmag.com/2018/11/black-lives-matter-ford-foundation-black-power-mcgeorge-bundyThat second article reads like someone is attempting to correct an experiment that went wrong by trying to steer it in a new direction. * The news on TV were talking to two students the other day who were planning on organising some sort of protest. One was white, one was black. Guess who did all the talking while the other just half nodded in what looked like semi reluctant agreement like she'd just been taken along for effect. |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jun 18, 2020 12:56:06 GMT
Would somebody please explain why the image of an older black man on Uncle Ben's products need an apology when it is apparently based upon a respected Chicago waiter and/or a successful rice farmer (this much I gleaned from the Beeb, they had no explanation beyond that), both ofvwhich sound completely positive to me.
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Post by LandieMark on Jun 18, 2020 12:57:45 GMT
Neil Hamilton nails it IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 13:08:20 GMT
Hear bloody hear. Not much of a pun but worth writing I think.
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Post by Big Blue on Jun 18, 2020 13:32:14 GMT
Neil Hamilton nails it IMO. He'll have been instantly dismissed as a reactionary right wing fascist apologist on all social media. There's another problem: the several tens of millions of people out there that just get on with life aren't represented on social media because they're ...er... just getting on with their lives. It's why social media is awash with the extremist views of a few vehemently agreed with by a slightly bigger "few". Hilarity is always election night when the left is going to whitewash the Tory scum as stated on social media from a month before the election. It lasts right up to about 2am on the night of counting. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 13:33:08 GMT
Because I live in the south west Bristol features on the local news programmes. There was an article last night about the Colston statue and how there are plans to restore it, but do it in such a way that it still shows its battle scars from being dragged and rolled towards the river.
I'm not sure that's the best way of doing it, as it gives some justification to the vandalism. They should restore it properly and barely make mention of the protests when it ends up in its new location.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jun 18, 2020 13:36:20 GMT
The whole thing risks descending into some kind of dark farce which will serve only to deepen divisions and undermine the real message. Typically human, really.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 13:36:32 GMT
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Post by michael on Jun 18, 2020 13:40:55 GMT
Historian Neil Oliver is about to be unpersoned as he pointed out the hypocrisy of those filming protests on mobile phones at almost certainly contain cobalt mined by slave children.
The issue of a revisionist history and applying today's values to yesterday is an interesting one as what do we do now that will be abhorrent to the next generations. I expect the way we treat animals will be up there along with how readily we brush real issues under the carpet so long as we are seen to be in the right crowd.
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Post by bryan on Jun 18, 2020 19:30:18 GMT
Because I live in the south west Bristol features on the local news programmes. There was an article last night about the Colston statue and how there are plans to restore it, but do it in such a way that it still shows its battle scars from being dragged and rolled towards the river. I'm not sure that's the best way of doing it, as it gives some justification to the vandalism. They should restore it properly and barely make mention of the protests when it ends up in its new location. I thought Banksy had a nice idea about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 9:54:20 GMT
A famous faceless vandal wants to celebrate the actions of some fleetingly famous masked ones? No thanks. Colston was a part of history that brainwashed people want to erase, even though that's impossible to do, but said idiots shouldn't be included as part of it.
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Post by Big Blue on Jun 19, 2020 12:27:39 GMT
I note that the BoE and the CoE have apologised for involvement in slavery. OK so we're now at the point where every business, organisation and family with a recorded history has to apologise publicly for the sins of their forebears.
Can the parents, siblings, spouses, children and pets of everyone with a criminal record, driving license endorsement, police caution, bad credit record and poor dress sense please apologise to the rest of us publicly for the actions over which you had no control? then we'll all be ok with this apology shit.
All these organisations have made amends by way of changes to policy, mantra and behaviour. Apologising for events long behind is the most pointless, fawning load of bollocks that ever existed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 13:41:38 GMT
I apologise to the forum and everyone within a ten mile radius, I dropped a log this morning and it was still screaming when I got back from Hasda.
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Post by LandieMark on Jun 19, 2020 15:51:20 GMT
They want to stop "Swing Low Sweet Chariot" at the rugby. Yeah, I can see that happening.
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Post by Alex on Jun 19, 2020 18:11:01 GMT
Good luck banning rugby fans from singing that. And why have no black people mentioned just how grossly offensive the song is before now?
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jun 19, 2020 18:21:38 GMT
100 thousand rugger bugger racists at Twickers.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 20:26:22 GMT
Martin Offiah was interviewed on the nooz and said he was not against it but it was good to see people talking about it. He also mentioned the education rather than brainwashing people style.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2020 11:09:05 GMT
A recent email recommending an armando Iannucci fillum recently popped up in my inbox that pictured an Indian actor playing David Copperfield, so I looked it up. It seems to be a ridiculous parody of the book and in the trailer all the white people come across as bonkers and the multitude of BAME actors not. Some reviews on IMDb mention the fact that most, if not all of the characters would have been white when the book was written. Most of them just say it's shit, though!  The rest: www.imdb.com/title/tt6439020/reviews?ref_=tt_urv |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jun 20, 2020 14:01:53 GMT
I think Lenny Henry would make a great Churchill. If stuff is fiction or fantasy I don’t see why the cast can’t be multicultural. They had a black actress playing Genevere , Arthur’s love interest in Merlin, and other BAME actors and that’s fine, it’s fantasy and they have dragons and magic etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 12:05:50 GMT
I see on the news that our racist police force attacked some peace loving party goers last night. And then ran away.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 8:21:19 GMT
So Manchester Police do the opposite, let a mass street party under the guise of a BLM rally go unchecked, even though it's illegal to have such gatherings and two people are shot dead in the middle of it.
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Post by Big Blue on Jun 30, 2020 8:41:44 GMT
...... two people are shot dead in the middle of it. Darwinism in full effect. |
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Post by scouse on Jun 30, 2020 8:54:14 GMT
I See Lewis' team has gone full BLM in painting the cars black in support of BLM.
Merceedes following a fascist organistion, who'd of thought it?
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