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Post by Martin on Apr 28, 2020 7:45:03 GMT
Porsche have made a 7 speed manual available on the S and 4S. Nice of them to offer it at no extra cost over the PDK, although it does include Sport Chrono so it also gets torque vectoring and an LSD. Might just be me, but doesn’t the gear lever look a bit wrong in that centre console and a touch old fashioned? 
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Post by Tim on Apr 28, 2020 8:31:04 GMT
No, you're right about the gearlever, I think we've become used to seeing an ultramodern centre console like that with at most a tiny auto selector.
As you say its good of them to offer it at no extra cost given that autos are usually a £2k+ option where manual is standard fit.
Aren't manuals also significantly lighter, I have a feeling the latest EVO or CAR made a comment in one of their tests about a DSG being 60 or 70kg heavier than the standard fit manual in something.
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Post by PetrolEd on Apr 28, 2020 8:41:34 GMT
I'm no great fan of the new 911 as I find its become a little big and too GT. I'd rather a late model 991.2. Yes I agree the gearknob looks a little out of place but not as much as that cupholder or the horrid stubby leaver that the PDK gets.
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Post by Martin on Apr 28, 2020 8:51:20 GMT
No, you're right about the gearlever, I think we've become used to seeing an ultramodern centre console like that with at most a tiny auto selector. As you say its good of them to offer it at no extra cost given that autos are usually a £2k+ option where manual is standard fit. Aren't manuals also significantly lighter, I have a feeling the latest EVO or CAR made a comment in one of their tests about a DSG being 60 or 70kg heavier than the standard fit manual in something. It does get Sport Chrono as standard, which is normally a £1700 option, so it's not quite that bad |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Apr 28, 2020 11:14:11 GMT
It looks quite meaty and weighty to me and will probably be nice to use.
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Post by michael on Apr 28, 2020 11:41:50 GMT
It looks like an after-thought. I can't think why you'd want a manual in a modern car like that.
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Post by Blarno on Apr 28, 2020 12:42:27 GMT
I like it, looks loads better than a dial or a stubby junior sextoy that passes for an auto lever nowadays. Cupholder is terrible though.
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Post by PetrolEd on Apr 28, 2020 12:59:29 GMT
It looks like an after-thought. I can't think why you'd want a manual in a modern car like that. I know I'm a dinosaur but I'd still take a manual in a 911. A manual 991.2 T would probably be my ideal car currently as a one car to do everything. |
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Post by johnc on Apr 28, 2020 14:26:11 GMT
The way that Cayman GTS 4.0L was shifting through the gears with an almost telepathic movement of the lever was wonderful to watch.
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Post by Big Blue on Apr 28, 2020 14:39:04 GMT
Hmmm. Manual gearbox.
Clearly a human with a clutch pedal is far better than a computer with PDK........
Enjoy that manual gearstick shit in traffic.....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 15:05:08 GMT
I think it comes down to what you prefer in every day driving like anything in a car. What will you put up with or live with for the moments you get to properly use the ability of a manual change.
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Post by johnc on Apr 28, 2020 15:08:36 GMT
Enjoy that manual gearstick shit in traffic..... No chance. Any car I had which was used in traffic would be a paddle shifter! The manual has to be for a track/sunny day toy. |
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Post by PetrolEd on Apr 28, 2020 15:17:55 GMT
If I didn't know some of you guys better I could swear we have more interest in politics then we do driving. Whats happened?
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Post by Martin on Apr 28, 2020 15:24:12 GMT
Enjoy that manual gearstick shit in traffic..... No chance. Any car I had which was used in traffic would be a paddle shifter! The manual has to be for a track/sunny day toy. I'd go a bit further and say that any car which is regularly used in traffic should have a decent (works properly in stop/start traffic and ideally controls steering) voodoo cruise. I still don't like it on the motorway or out of stop-start / low speed traffic, so the ideal system would be capable of operating as normal cruise control. I don't think that system exists? |
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Post by Blarno on Apr 28, 2020 15:27:32 GMT
Daily driver - Auto
Anything else - Manual
Them's the rules.
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Post by Eff One on Apr 28, 2020 16:24:30 GMT
Bloody hell, we're all getting old aren't we?
Spending this sort of money on a Porsche and then removing one of the primary connections between driver and car makes no sense to me.
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Post by Big Blue on Apr 28, 2020 16:39:25 GMT
Bloody hell, we're all getting old aren't we? Spending this sort of money on a Porsche and then removing one of the primary connections between driver and car makes no sense to me. Nah. I drove manual and PDK back-to-back on the Porsche test track a couple of years ago and the PDK is the one to have. You can override the auto shifts and whatever you think you're doing with a manual the electronics are far better to a level that is off the scale. Don't mistake PDK for a slush-box - it's doing all the stuff a manual does without ever missing a bite point and if you use it on a track it won't ever be in the wrong gear if all the systems are in place. Also I was gritting my teeth doing launch-control with the PDK: massive revs and a clutch dump. Then the instructor told me that the car I was in had done several hundred of them and never failed. There's a reason that PDK was a costly option. Ask people like Mansell and his generation that swapped from manual boxes to flappy paddles in F1 what was better. Basically it's the difference between what you did in the '50s (clutch and gearbox) and what's been developed and refined over years by several teams of engineers, drivers, computer programmers and manufacturers. So if you're happy using a slide rule and log books feel free: I'll keep my IT (even though I can use the latter). |
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Post by Martin on Apr 28, 2020 17:10:00 GMT
Bloody hell, we're all getting old aren't we? Spending this sort of money on a Porsche and then removing one of the primary connections between driver and car makes no sense to me. Have you watched the Harrys garage video of the 992? The road noise is a bit unnecessary, but the PDK is a great gearbox and one of the highlights of the car. The software is so smart these days, you only use the paddles to get that extra connection with the car, as its like voodoo in auto mode. It's good that people have the choice and are allowed to make the wrong one. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Apr 28, 2020 17:31:14 GMT
In something as sophisticated as 992 it makes sense to me to tick the PDK box. If you want raw, manual fun, then go for a Caterham or Morgan, with no electronic stability trickery and so on.
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Post by michael on Apr 28, 2020 17:43:36 GMT
I'm sure there are people out there who lament the passing of the manual choke, too.
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Post by Roadrunner on Apr 28, 2020 18:04:34 GMT
I'm sure there are people out there who lament the passing of the manual choke, too. Not just that. Give me manual control of the governor and ignition timing, too   |
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Post by PetrolEd on Apr 28, 2020 18:44:42 GMT
Blimey I’ve never witnessed so many people being so wrong all at once. We’ve got very old as a group but good to see some of us holding on to our youth.
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Post by PetrolEd on Apr 28, 2020 18:46:17 GMT
Double post
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Post by Andy C on Apr 28, 2020 18:55:31 GMT
In something as sophisticated as 992 it makes sense to me to tick the PDK box. If you want raw, manual fun, then go for a Caterham or Morgan, with no electronic stability trickery and so on. But then they don't like the 4cyl engines! |
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Post by Andy C on Apr 28, 2020 18:59:25 GMT
If i had a XC40 as a daily, Then of course it would be an auto.. But a 911. It would be a manual without doubt. But then I wouldn't buy a 911 as a daily.
I drove the new boxsters and caymans a while back, and sampled the pdk and manual, in standard, S and GTS form. My favourite was a base boxster with the manual box. I wouldn't buy one (due to the engine), but it was the most fun
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 19:20:45 GMT
I have never bought an auto yet and have no intention of doing so, personal preference.
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Post by Martin on Apr 28, 2020 19:49:19 GMT
Blimey I’ve never witnessed so many people being so wrong all at once. We’ve got very old as a group but good to see some of us holding on to our youth. I’ve got one work for you Ed and it starts with V.....  Being serious for a minute, the best gearbox choice depends on a number of factors, I guess age is one of them. The quality of each option is important, as is how you’re going to use and enjoy the car. I think the PDK gearbox suits the very latest 911, but as you go a bit older then a manual would be my choice, even before you go back as far as the traditional autos. |
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Post by Martin on Apr 28, 2020 19:53:59 GMT
If i had a XC40 as a daily, Then of course it would be an auto.. But a 911. It would be a manual without doubt. But then I wouldn't buy a 911 as a daily. I drove the new boxsters and caymans a while back, and sampled the pdk and manual, in standard, S and GTS form. My favourite was a base boxster with the manual box. I wouldn't buy one (due to the engine), but it was the most fun Getting a manual was the only option when we bought the Boxster. Similar story, tried a slightly older 3.2S with PDK and preferred the 2.9 Manual plus the spec was an awful lot better / nicer too. The 2.9 sounded better too, the S with the DFI engine lost a bit of the howl that made ours sound so good. |
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Post by johnc on Apr 29, 2020 7:30:19 GMT
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Post by Alex on Apr 29, 2020 8:09:49 GMT
I've no problem with Porsche offering a 911 with a manual box. I'm presuming there must be a demand if they've chosen to do so. My problem only stems from the fact they've raised the VW parts bin and pulled out a mk7 Golf gear stick. I had no problem with a stick like that in my company nail but it really does look awful in something as high end as a £90k+ sports car. I suspect most buyers will still opt for PDK especially if they have plans to be able to sell it in a few years time.
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