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Post by ChrisM on May 4, 2020 15:11:06 GMT
I learned to dive on crash gearboxes, so double de-clutching is something I instinctively do when in a manual car. Pointless and even a hinderance in a modern car, but essential in the Standard. I hope you didn't flood the carburettor too many times I'll get my coat........... |
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Post by Roadsterstu on May 5, 2020 11:48:14 GMT
It's almost a badge of honour, now, a manual gearbox in a sea of dual clutch, paddle shift, farty autos. I'd admire anyone who bought a manual for keeping the skill alive. Even more if they could double declutch and heel and toe. (Which I can't). It's a useless skill though now,its like spinning a basketball on your finger. As already said, I can't see a skill being pointless if it gives a sense of satisfaction at mastering it or just for the enjoyment. I see your argument for a PDK box and it is totally personal preference. But, like map reading since the reliance on GPS, manual shifting could become a dying art. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 12:35:22 GMT
Going back to the Golf gearstick, what other type of design could they have used? Open gate from an R8 perhaps? Or that odd silver ball thing that Volvo used to have?
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Post by michael on May 5, 2020 12:38:22 GMT
Maybe the lovely balsa-wood effort from the Carerra GT?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 12:45:16 GMT
Or that sticky out of the dash thing on the EP3 Civic?  |
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Post by Big Blue on May 5, 2020 12:52:48 GMT
Column change is the best option
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Post by Roadrunner on May 5, 2020 13:27:03 GMT
Right hand gate change and a centre throttle.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 13:37:36 GMT
2CV styley...
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Post by Tim on May 5, 2020 14:05:59 GMT
Renault 16 style column change, complete with hydraulic hissing noise.
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Post by ChrisM on May 5, 2020 20:15:28 GMT
..... Or that odd silver ball thing that Volvo used to have? Space ball |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 21:54:28 GMT
Rubber band?
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Post by racingteatray on May 6, 2020 8:00:00 GMT
Right hand gate change and a centre throttle. That must be a recipe for disaster if you aren't used to it! |
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Post by franki68 on May 6, 2020 8:26:54 GMT
It's a useless skill though now,its like spinning a basketball on your finger. As already said, I can't see a skill being pointless if it gives a sense of satisfaction at mastering it or just for the enjoyment. I see your argument for a PDK box and it is totally personal preference. But, like map reading since the reliance on GPS, manual shifting could become a dying art. I wasn’t clear in my post as I was referring back to the original topic of the 992 ,I think it brilliant of Porsche to offer the option but with the ability to flatshift the skill is mostly removed . Hence the analogy,I was saying it’s a nice thing to be able to do but you aren’t going to do it as I found in many discussions on ph with manual gt3 drivers ,they are mostly flatshifting . But yes the manual in high performance cars will cease to exist ,Haven’t Jaguar stopped production of the f type manual ? |
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Post by Roadsterstu on May 6, 2020 19:41:20 GMT
Perhaps it just becomes outdated and we simply move on. Changing gear manually certainly seems a bit silly at times, given how much everything else is automated or assisted. But that's leaving out the interaction or the satisfaction out of the equation. Maybe as a larger version of its firmer self, the 911 should be all PDK now and the manuals should remain on Cayman and Boxster.
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Post by Roadrunner on May 6, 2020 20:47:27 GMT
I have a book on my shelf called 'Forty Years of Motoring'. Published by the National Petroleum Company in 1959, it includes the the sentence, "It will probably not be long before the clutch, the gear lever and the drum brake will be thrown on the scrap heap." I often picture that very page when I see a drum brake on a modern car, but accept there is still a place for a manual gear lever in a weekend fun car.
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