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Post by johnc on Apr 6, 2020 11:22:50 GMT
I got my exercise at the weekend laying more flooring in the loft, aerating the whole lawn, washing both cars, applying sealant and refitting the summer wheels:
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Post by Roadrunner on Apr 6, 2020 11:44:15 GMT
Local tips across Surrey all closed too. Apparently down to bring thought impossible to maintain the 2 metre spacing between people on the sites, staff and visitors/users both included They haven't thought about it very hard then. Limit the number of vehicles entering at any one time and monitor. I noticed a pile of rubbish fly tipped by the side of the A19 last week and, sure enough, it's growing by the day. There doesn't seem to be a lot of common sense being applied to policing these social distancing rules. Our golf club has 4 green staff, looking after 90 acres. One will be mowing, one will be hundreds of yards away working on a bunker, another far away on a green etc. Yet I was talking to our club manager the other day and he was saying they've had to furlough 2 of them as they have been restricted to "essential maintenance" only. If there is any suggestion that clubs are using this time to make any improvements to the course at all - even it's just one man by himself, working on a tee box, then they have been told they will all be closed down full stop. It does beggar belief. Most golf clubs are on a financial tightrope anyway and this sort of nonsense will just mean that more will go to the wall. Much of this furloughing will be for cost saving reasons, however far apart the greenkeepers will be. No golfers and no clubhouse income means no money to pay the staff, however remotely they could be working. This is exactly what the National Trust is doing with their garden staff, since continuing to pay them while the adjoining house and tea shop are empty is not possible.
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Post by PG on Apr 6, 2020 11:46:51 GMT
Local tips across Surrey all closed too. Apparently down to bring thought impossible to maintain the 2 metre spacing between people on the sites, staff and visitors/users both included They haven't thought about it very hard then. ..... There doesn't seem to be a lot of common sense being applied to policing these social distancing rules..... Agreed on both counts. I think a lot more economic activity could take place with social distancing maintained. Agricultural and animal businesses are having to stay open and all the ones we use have worked out ways to ensure social distancing. Mostly they ask you to telephone your order through and pay (or it's on account) when ordering and then have it ready for you to collect. If it is heavy stuff, they ask you to stay in your vehicle and they load it. All this lockdown is doing is putting even more power into the hands of the supermarkets and the online retailers. It was Mrs PG's birthday at the weekend. I normally get flowers from a local florist. But they've had to shut. But I can still buy flowers at the supermarket or from flowers by post. How daft.
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Post by Martin on Apr 6, 2020 12:29:31 GMT
So, if you're on furlough you can take another job as long as it's not for your employer or a company they're associated with! Last week you could volunteer, which I think everyone who's on furlough should have to make themselves available for, but with the change to the rules it's just going to cost us more in the long run.
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Post by Tim on Apr 6, 2020 12:48:20 GMT
They haven't thought about it very hard then. Limit the number of vehicles entering at any one time and monitor. I noticed a pile of rubbish fly tipped by the side of the A19 last week and, sure enough, it's growing by the day. There doesn't seem to be a lot of common sense being applied to policing these social distancing rules. Our golf club has 4 green staff, looking after 90 acres. One will be mowing, one will be hundreds of yards away working on a bunker, another far away on a green etc. Yet I was talking to our club manager the other day and he was saying they've had to furlough 2 of them as they have been restricted to "essential maintenance" only. If there is any suggestion that clubs are using this time to make any improvements to the course at all - even it's just one man by himself, working on a tee box, then they have been told they will all be closed down full stop. It does beggar belief. Most golf clubs are on a financial tightrope anyway and this sort of nonsense will just mean that more will go to the wall. Much of this furloughing will be for cost saving reasons, however far apart the greenkeepers will be. No golfers and no clubhouse income means no money to pay the staff, however remotely they could be working. This is exactly what the National Trust is doing with their garden staff, since continuing to pay them while the adjoining house and tea shop are empty is not possible. The way I've always played golf the social distancing would only be an issue on the tee.
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Post by alf on Apr 6, 2020 14:25:24 GMT
Surrey police put up on their FB some of the examples of people breaching the current guidance and it included two men out running their RC cars which is not considered to be part of your daily 1hr of exercise so you might be out of luck with that idea. Yeah that's why I said on the original rules (actually just voluntary) - on the current rules it is clearly out of scope. I have been out once a day for about an hour walking cycling or running - and have not yet visited a shop :-)
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Post by alf on Apr 6, 2020 14:28:02 GMT
So, if you're on furlough you can take another job as long as it's not for your employer or a company they're associated with! Last week you could volunteer, which I think everyone who's on furlough should have to make themselves available for, but with the change to the rules it's just going to cost us more in the long run. This is a total piss take. Incredible how quickly people turn from appreciating a measure designed for survival, to taking the piss. A lot of places that were not in danger of going buts just seem to have put most staff on furlough which is bad enough, if they now can take other jobs on then its a total con and yes - it will cost us all. Like insurance fraud, we all lose, there is no "free money"...
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Post by ChrisM on Apr 6, 2020 14:31:33 GMT
I'm still working from home and am being kept manically busy. Wish I had time to go in the loft, do some tidying up around the house etc. Yesterday's exercise consisted of mowing the lawn and washing/polishing the Captur.
Despite overnight rain, the hayfever has kicked in today with a vengeance :-(
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Post by Martin on Apr 6, 2020 14:42:39 GMT
So, if you're on furlough you can take another job as long as it's not for your employer or a company they're associated with! Last week you could volunteer, which I think everyone who's on furlough should have to make themselves available for, but with the change to the rules it's just going to cost us more in the long run. This is a total piss take. Incredible how quickly people turn from appreciating a measure designed for survival, to taking the piss. A lot of places that were not in danger of going buts just seem to have put most staff on furlough which is bad enough, if they now can take other jobs on then its a total con and yes - it will cost us all. Like insurance fraud, we all lose, there is no "free money"... It's really starting to annoy me. I've got 20 people who I gave work to in my Warrington depot who were given the option to furlough as their home site is shutting down and 12 of them have said they would take it and leave immediately, 3 have given us until the end of the week and only 5 have said they would continue. We're offering overtime as well, so furlough is more like a 30% pay cut, but they'd rather sit at home. Also, I committed to taking 30 drivers from another operation and the response I got back was they would take 3 weeks on furlough over Easter then come and work for us. Errrr....no, get stuffed. I'm still as busy as ever, but if I was furloughed I'd do some volunteering, as I couldn't sit at home and get paid for doing nothing. Also annoying, is that despite being really busy, I've had to give up 2 weeks holiday. I know it would be worse, as if I looked after operations that have been closed I'd have a 30% pay cut (we're topping up furlough to that level), but it doesn't make sense for any reason I can think of other than there being too many people wanting holiday at the end of the year, but you're allowed to carry it forward up to 2 years.
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Post by LandieMark on Apr 6, 2020 14:49:35 GMT
I'm still full time on the farm, thankfully. My company is one of the ones that falls through the cracks of all the money being handed out. I am sure it will all come out in the wash and there is no point moaning about it, but all my tenants have told me they cant afford to pay my rent. Most of them will be on free business rates and get the £10k grant too which boils my piss a little - but I can understand people wanting to look after their own. As I pay myself by dividend and a small salary up to the NIC limit, if I furlough myself, which I am allowed to do, I will get paid the grand sum of £533 per month which is obviously nothing like my monthly expenditure. Whoop de woo. It's a good job the company has reserves for a while. I've been pretty ill with a Norovirus type thing this weekend which has properly flattened me - It started Thursday/Friday and I am only just starting to get my strength back. Still been working with the help of paracetamol and immodium (that's farm work for you), but straight to bed when I get home. I've lost 9lb so it isn't all downside.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 16:12:40 GMT
Just goes to show there is plenty of the standard crap around. Hope you feel right soon.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 18:05:45 GMT
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Post by LandieMark on Apr 6, 2020 19:12:09 GMT
There were emergency laws passed a week or so ago with the guidelines included.
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Post by Boxer6 on Apr 6, 2020 19:12:52 GMT
And why are these 'guidelines' subject to fines now? Doesn't that make them laws? I've wondered that myself.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 19:17:25 GMT
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Post by LandieMark on Apr 6, 2020 19:19:45 GMT
It will take two weeks for the result of everyone going out over the weekend to affect the initial infection results, never mind the death rate.
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Post by Roadrunner on Apr 6, 2020 19:47:31 GMT
It will take two weeks for the result of everyone going out over the weekend to affect the initial infection results, never mind the death rate. Exactly. The death rate will be running at a three to four week lag behind the infection rate.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 7:20:09 GMT
Indeed. I share Simon's frustration about the number of additional walkers, but these are public places after all. And it's better than the going nuts.
When a minister recently said about the possibility of barring people from taking outdoor exercise if the rules weren't obeyed, I wondered whether I would comply though. Quite possibly not.
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Post by garry on Apr 7, 2020 8:06:58 GMT
Indeed. I share Simon's frustration about the number of additional walkers, but these are public places after all. And it's better than the going nuts. When a minister recently said about the possibility of barring people from taking outdoor exercise if the rules weren't obeyed, I wondered whether I would comply though. Quite possibly not. The rules seem to be interpreted as “if it’s fun, it’s banned”. There are some big beaches near where I live. Lots of people enjoy walking their dogs there. Social distancing is really easy because of the size of the beaches. But the police were out there stopping dog walkers over the weekend, I guess forcing them to take walks on pavements near their homes. Seems nuts to me. We went for a bike ride along the canal on Sunday, took some cheese, bread and wine for a picnic. It was a lovely few hours and we followed social distancing rules, but I’m sure the fun police would have seen it differently.
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Post by PetrolEd on Apr 7, 2020 8:24:39 GMT
Don't think it has anything to do with the Fun police just people need to be sensible and unfortunately they aren't.
My Dad lives in West Wittering and according to him, last weekend was almost like any other sunny weekend. Bloody madness, Police should be down there asking where people have come from and if its outside a few miles I'd fine them and send them on their way. This ain't going away until everyone stays at home.
And what is it with people with dogs who are bloody irritating. I walked to the local shop and was approached by a couple of dogs off the lead jumping up at me. I don't want contact from dogs as well as people at the moment thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 8:40:23 GMT
That's not the dogs' fault - blame the 'parents'!
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Post by johnc on Apr 7, 2020 9:00:41 GMT
I was worried when i heard that a tiger in a New York zoo had caught Coronavirus. If animals are going to catch it as well then the dynamics of the whole thing change significantly. However we are fortunate where we now live except for no heating! 100 yds down a path from the house and we are out into countryside and a bit further onto a golf course which makes walking easy and we seldom see anyone else let alone get close to them. There are also lots of other wide paths and small country roads we can walk on and never see a soul.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 9:28:25 GMT
Apparently some joggers and walkers just flout the 2 metre distance and do what they want. Not taking it seriously will make or break this thing.
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Post by Roadrunner on Apr 7, 2020 9:42:19 GMT
I was worried when i heard that a tiger in a New York zoo had caught Coronavirus. If animals are going to catch it as well then the dynamics of the whole thing change significantly. However we are fortunate where we now live except for no heating! 100 yds down a path from the house and we are out into countryside and a bit further onto a golf course which makes walking easy and we seldom see anyone else let alone get close to them. There are also lots of other wide paths and small country roads we can walk on and never see a soul. Give it a couple of years and there will only be sea life and cockroaches left...
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Apr 7, 2020 10:02:08 GMT
Indeed. I share Simon's frustration about the number of additional walkers, but these are public places after all. And it's better than the going nuts. When a minister recently said about the possibility of barring people from taking outdoor exercise if the rules weren't obeyed, I wondered whether I would comply though. Quite possibly not. I also thought to myself that I wouldn't adhere to rules barring outdoor exercise. Green MP Caroline Lucas has said that golf courses should be opened to the public to allow them to exercise in a green space. So they close the courses because they don't want three dozen golfers on them but are OK with a couple of hundred walkers?
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Post by johnc on Apr 7, 2020 10:23:48 GMT
Green MP Caroline Lucas has said that golf courses should be opened to the public to allow them to exercise in a green space. So they close the courses because they don't want three dozen golfers on them but are OK with a couple of hundred walkers? Can you imagine the state of the greens if they allowed everyone on to the courses. Maybe if they all paid £10 entry to the club for a walk, that might help the clubs a bit on maintenance costs.
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Post by racingteatray on Apr 7, 2020 13:52:02 GMT
Apparently some joggers and walkers just flout the 2 metre distance and do what they want. Not taking it seriously will make or break this thing. From my recent experience, runners are really bad at this - they just gasp past you practically brushing elbows. A lot of them, particularly the faster, fitter ones, seem to have precisely the same approach to manners and personal space on pavements and paths as moped delivery guys do on the road. I've often thought that you need to be slightly obsessive to run like that and the obsessive aren't generally good at tailoring their ways and habits to suit others.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Apr 7, 2020 14:33:27 GMT
Cyclists can be just as bad at the best of times. When I'm walking the dog on the bridleway ,if I see a bike coming towards us, or hear the ping of a bell behind me, I call him to me and put my hand on his collar so they don't have to worry about him getting under their wheels. Often you don't get a thanks or some just fly past you before you even know they're there, causing you to jump to one side.
Our last dog used to chase everyone on a bike.
I had to take the bike off him in the end.
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Post by PG on Apr 7, 2020 18:46:10 GMT
Our lane is a marked cycle route. Cyclists who will not stop for traffic behind them on the narrow road really boil our piss. They either keep going for ages until they deign to pull over and then look at you as if you have no right to be there (actually we live here); or indicate that you should come past and then get really annoyed that you do not. Which you are actually doing to help them - because with the trailer you are towing or the horse lorry you are driving you will simply put them in the hedge.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 7:01:36 GMT
Cyclists can be just as bad at the best of times. When I'm walking the dog on the bridleway ,if I see a bike coming towards us, or hear the ping of a bell behind me, I call him to me and put my hand on his collar so they don't have to worry about him getting under their wheels. Often you don't get a thanks or some just fly past you before you even know they're there, causing you to jump to one side. Our last dog used to chase everyone on a bike. I had to take the bike off him in the end. We had this yesterday from a family of four on bikes, moved over onto the heavily-cambered grass verge and let them have the path. Not a flicker of acknowledgement as they sailed past - didn't even show willing by moving over to the other side of it. And they should have been in the fucking road in the first place.
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