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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 10, 2019 13:31:59 GMT
I bet that will ride really well, with only little trade off in handling. |
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Post by Martin on Dec 10, 2019 13:45:05 GMT
Surely all season tyres are the worst of both worlds? OK in the winter but not as good as a winter tyre and OK in the summer but not as good as a summer tyre. They’re generally pretty close to a good winter tyre in cold/wet conditions and even in snow. The best all season tyres are better in the winter than an average winter tyre according to the tests and in the last one I read, incredibly close to the best winter. Then, when the temperature is in double figures, they perform a lot better than a winter tyre. I wouldn’t run them all year round, but they do suit our variable winter temperatures. |
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Post by Martin on Dec 10, 2019 13:48:31 GMT
I bet that will ride really well, with only little trade off in handling. Depends on what you think good ride is. At anything above waking speed it will ‘float and wallow’ way too much (for me) on such a high profile tyre and standard SE suspension. |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 10, 2019 14:06:17 GMT
I bet that will ride really well, with only little trade off in handling. Depends on what you think good ride is. At anything above waking speed it will ‘ float and wallow’ way too much (for me) on such a high profile tyre and standard SE suspension. Bit (large amount) of exaggeration there - it's still a BMW, not a 1974 Oldsmobile. For 90% of people SE spec suspension plus smaller wheels/high profile tyres is the sweet spot. |
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Post by Tim on Dec 10, 2019 14:44:59 GMT
Are in the majority or minority Bob?
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 10, 2019 14:57:12 GMT
Are in the majority or minority Bob? I would say I'm in the majority - the 3 and 5 series SE models ride much better than their MSport counterparts. The difference isn't as marked as it was previously but if comfort is your priority that's the way to go. |
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Post by Tim on Dec 10, 2019 15:03:46 GMT
I thought your 3 series was a Shadow Edition?
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 10, 2019 15:09:55 GMT
I thought your 3 series was a Shadow Edition? It is. But it's also X-Drive so it deletes the sport suspension. It'd ride even better on 17 inch wheels but allow the tart in me the 19s.  |
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Post by PG on Dec 10, 2019 15:34:54 GMT
I've just realised that site and the ebay seller are one and the same! Doh! On the ebay listing you can see there is a pretty big gouge in one of the tyres, but on the website it has been badly disguised using Paint.  That could well be not as bad as it looks. I had a winter tyre with a small gouge in the side wall near the wheel and a tyre place said it was quite safe to use. But any sort of bulge and get rid straight away. |
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Post by Martin on Dec 10, 2019 15:35:21 GMT
Are in the majority or minority Bob? I would say I'm in the majority - the 3 and 5 series SE models ride much better than their MSport counterparts. The difference isn't as marked as it was previously but if comfort is your priority that's the way to go. If comfort is your priority, then you'd choose a 5 over a 3 every time. |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 10, 2019 15:39:06 GMT
I would say I'm in the majority - the 3 and 5 series SE models ride much better than their MSport counterparts. The difference isn't as marked as it was previously but if comfort is your priority that's the way to go. If comfort is your priority, then you'd choose a 5 over a 3 every time. But we're talking about a 5 series SE on 17s over a 5 series MSport on 19s? |
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Post by Martin on Dec 10, 2019 15:42:04 GMT
Depends on what you think good ride is. At anything above waking speed it will ‘ float and wallow’ way too much (for me) on such a high profile tyre and standard SE suspension. Bit (large amount) of exaggeration there - it's still a BMW, not a 1974 Oldsmobile. For 90% of people SE spec suspension plus smaller wheels/high profile tyres is the sweet spot. No exaggeration, just my opinion based on experience. I've driven several small wheeled SE suspended BMWs and I didn't like them, too much vertical movement, which can make me feel slightly car sick even when I'm driving. I didn't like the standard air suspension on the 7 series either (same with the S Class) for the same reason, if I had one of those I'd be in Sport the whole time to firm it up. Mine is either in voodoo mode or Sport, mainly the former. |
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Post by Martin on Dec 10, 2019 15:43:01 GMT
If comfort is your priority, then you'd choose a 5 over a 3 every time. But we're talking about a 5 series SE on 17s over a 5 series MSport on 19s? You might have been! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 15:49:48 GMT
That could well be not as bad as it looks. I had a winter tyre with a small gouge in the side wall near the wheel and a tyre place said it was quite safe to use. But any sort of bulge and get rid straight away. I do wonder whether ze Germans would be allowed to sell a wheel with a dangerous tyre fitted? They are in the EU with all its rules and regulations, after all! Or is caveat emptor and my decision whether to use it once I've bought it? |
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Post by johnc on Dec 10, 2019 16:17:22 GMT
That could well be not as bad as it looks. I had a winter tyre with a small gouge in the side wall near the wheel and a tyre place said it was quite safe to use. But any sort of bulge and get rid straight away. I do wonder whether ze Germans would be allowed to sell a wheel with a dangerous tyre fitted? They are in the EU with all its rules and regulations, after all! Or is caveat emptor and my decision whether to use it once I've bought it? Have you tried phoning a few Audi dealers to see what price they might want for winter wheel and tyre packs? |
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Post by Martin on Dec 10, 2019 16:38:39 GMT
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Post by Tim on Dec 10, 2019 17:09:24 GMT
I thought your 3 series was a Shadow Edition? It is. But it's also X-Drive so it deletes the sport suspension. It'd ride even better on 17 inch wheels but allow the tart in me the 19s. I didn't know that (although I now vaguely remember it being mentioned before). I hate to think what a non-X Drive MSport is like then. |
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Post by johnc on Dec 10, 2019 17:28:07 GMT
I hate to think what a non-X Drive MSport is like then. Firm! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 17:40:24 GMT
The 18" wheels from an Audi dealer? Are you sitting down?
£827 each! That's for one rim only. Centre cap? Extra. Tyre? Extra!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 17:55:02 GMT
Think I saw those before but discounted them because the ebay page says used and they were more expensive than the supposedly new ones from Germany. But... when you click the read more button it says they're new, not used. Confused dot com.   |
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Post by johnc on Dec 10, 2019 18:08:12 GMT
The 18" wheels from an Audi dealer? Are you sitting down? £827 each! That's for one rim only. Centre cap? Extra. Tyre? Extra! That's more than BMW wanted for a fully fitted wheel and tyre with centre cap, before I got discount and 10 months interest free. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 18:54:59 GMT
I contacted the seller of the ebay wheels and got a reply saying they're sold. How convenient.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Dec 10, 2019 19:08:59 GMT
Surely all season tyres are the worst of both worlds? OK in the winter but not as good as a winter tyre and OK in the summer but not as good as a summer tyre. I reckon they are the ideal compromise for our winter climate. Something like Crossclimates or one of the others of its kind. I was suggesting using them as a winter tyre, putting your summers back on for summer. Should have been a bit clearer on that. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 23:10:26 GMT
The 18" wheels from an Audi dealer? Are you sitting down? £827 each! That's for one rim only. Centre cap? Extra. Tyre? Extra! That's more than BMW wanted for a fully fitted wheel and tyre with centre cap, before I got discount and 10 months interest free. The 19s are £919 each. Fuckin' stroll on! |
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Post by johnc on Dec 11, 2019 8:28:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 9:12:39 GMT
That's more than BMW wanted for a fully fitted wheel and tyre with centre cap, before I got discount and 10 months interest free. The 19s are £919 each. Fuckin' stroll on! Can't say I'm surprised. |
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Post by bryan on Dec 11, 2019 9:49:19 GMT
Is it worthwhile getting in touch with the Project Khan's of the world - they must do something with the normal wheels?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 10:37:09 GMT
I went on one of those part finder websites where they send out a request to breakers around the UK. I got one answer from a place in Oldham that said set of four wheels for £300. I replied asking about size, condition etc.
Nothing.
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Post by johnc on Dec 11, 2019 10:47:35 GMT
I went on one of those part finder websites where they send out a request to breakers around the UK. I got one answer from a place in Oldham that said set of four wheels for £300. I replied asking about size, condition etc. Nothing. They hadn't decided where they were going to steal them from yet......and you would still have tyres to buy. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 11:49:09 GMT
If they were straight off a broken car there's a good chance they'd be 20" wheels, which would make for expensive tyres. I think I might just walk to work if/when it snows!
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