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Post by Tim on Dec 5, 2019 10:00:52 GMT
Washing the car and golf (at separate times) are the things that allow me to forget work or any other issues and just immerse myself in what I am doing. It's very therapeutic. When I survey at the contents of my driveway I could offer a lot of therapy to people in your position What do you think I should charge them?
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Post by johnc on Dec 5, 2019 10:07:22 GMT
Washing the car and golf (at separate times) are the things that allow me to forget work or any other issues and just immerse myself in what I am doing. It's very therapeutic. When I survey at the contents of my driveway I could offer a lot of therapy to people in your position What do you think I should charge them? I'm afraid the therapy only works for me when I get the benefit of the hard work!!!
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 5, 2019 11:00:28 GMT
Indeed. Though I find myself more inclined to hand-wash the Fiat than the BMW, because it's much smaller! Only its multi-spoke alloys are a faff. I jet-washed the Fiat at the local Shell garage the other day for the first time in a while and the sheer quantity of black dreck that came out from under the roof gutters, the edge of the glass roof, under the rear window, the number-plate plinth, the Fiat badges, the chrome bumper trim inserts etc was quite alarming. Obviously the black lumps of muck are super-visible against white paintwork, but I was faintly astonished at how much had accumulated in the crevices.
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Post by PG on Dec 6, 2019 20:25:17 GMT
Indeed. Though I find myself more inclined to hand-wash the Fiat than the BMW, because it's much smaller! Only its multi-spoke alloys are a faff. I jet-washed the Fiat at the local Shell garage the other day for the first time in a while and the sheer quantity of black dreck that came out from under the roof gutters, the edge of the glass roof, under the rear window, the number-plate plinth, the Fiat badges, the chrome bumper trim inserts etc was quite alarming. Obviously the black lumps of muck are super-visible against white paintwork, but I was faintly astonished at how much had accumulated in the crevices. That's the thing isn't it. You think the car is clean and then when you take the power washer to it, it is amazing how much crap comes out of all the nooks and crannies.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 20:44:36 GMT
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Post by johnc on Dec 9, 2019 8:48:02 GMT
Those are the same wheels my wife had on her A5 Cabrio. At that price (which is significantly less than I paid for mine) with new wheels and tyres, I think it is a bargain. As for choice of tyre, I don't think there is an enormous amount to choose between winter tyres - you are buying them to give you grip and security in the wet/damp, cold and possibly snowy conditions we get in winter as opposed to the ultimate summer tyre which is 0.1s faster round a track and gives better feedback. My car has gone from having wheelspin on moderate throttle and regular tail end slides at modest speeds, to being really well planted with lots of traction and no slides. I have so much more confidence and it is much safer.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 9:09:55 GMT
With most cars, I'd have thought the difference around a track would be noticeable.
The PS4S's seem fine at near zero to me - with pressures corrected there's a gnats less front end grip, but without snow (which I'd just avoid travelling any distance in) there's no point in my changing tyres.
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Post by johnc on Dec 9, 2019 10:47:35 GMT
With most cars, I'd have thought the difference around a track would be noticeable. I was trying to make the point that winter tyres are for doing a job as opposed to summer tyres where you are looking for differences in feel, grip, control and possibly lap times. I wasn't comparing lap times of summer and winter tyres. I agree that the PS4's are a significantly superior tyre to the PZero and would cope with most conditions better than the PZero's but winter tyres will grip better than both in the cold, damp and snow. Another advantage of using winter tyres is that the summer tyres wear more quickly in winter due to their compound, so you get more mileage out of your tyres than would be the case if they were used all year round. If you have the choice of whether you use the car or not, based on the weather, then I agree that winter tyres make little sense.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 10:51:39 GMT
I don't have a choice about use. If I don't go to work because it has snowed I don't get paid.
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Post by Martin on Dec 9, 2019 10:55:53 GMT
Another reason winters will be a bigger improvement on the M5 is the amount of torque it has
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 11:01:02 GMT
That'll affect cornering on the throttle, but otherwise cornering is lateral load. I'd have thought that torque primarily affects traction unless you are pushing pretty hard, which thinking about it John does mention.
I have been very surprised by how good such a performance-oriented tyre can be in the wet - it's only really the combination of wet and damp that brings with it such a very small reduction in front end bite. Be interesting to see what Goodyear's new rival is like, although it'll be a year or two before I expect to need replacements.
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Post by Martin on Dec 9, 2019 11:02:47 GMT
It's a dated looking wheel, but fine for the winter and I don't think that's a bad deal at all. Man maths....The tyres are brand new, so that will (could!) save you buying a set of summer tyres, which would be around £700. That leaves about £650 and you'd get most, if not all (depends on condition and tyres) back when you sell them on. Not much for peace of mind.
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Post by Martin on Dec 9, 2019 11:07:31 GMT
That'll affect cornering on the throttle, but otherwise cornering is lateral load. I'd have thought that torque primarily affects traction unless you are pushing pretty hard, which thinking about it John does mention. I have been very surprised by how good such a performance-oriented tyre can be in the wet - it's only really the combination of wet and damp that brings with it such a very small reduction in front end bite. Be interesting to see what Goodyear's new rival is like, although it'll be a year or two before I expect to need replacements. Yes, I was thinking about being able to use the acceleration rather than maximising cornering speed. The PS4S does sound like a fantastic tyre, I'm quite tempted to ditch the Contis on the Golf, but they're OK really and I was surprised to see they still had 6mm tread depth on when I took them off a couple of weeks ago. They've been on for 9.5k of the 14k miles it's done so far.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 12:03:44 GMT
I've just read the enlightening combination of both 'wet' and 'damp' in my post... d'oh! Meant wet and cold (by which I mean low single digit).
Wear's pretty impressive on the Contis.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 12:36:55 GMT
Purely in the interests of science, I can report that giving the car a ham-footed bootfull half way around a small roundabout is definitely enough to cause the rear to step out. But this is a long way from my preferred cornering style, and the electronics sorted it in conjunction with a proverbial dab of oppo.
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Post by Martin on Dec 9, 2019 12:49:49 GMT
Purely in the interests of science, I can report that giving the car a ham-footed bootfull half way around a small roundabout is definitely enough to cause the rear to step out. But this is a long way from my preferred cornering style, and the electronics sorted it in conjunction with a proverbial dab of oppo. If that's today, the temperature is above 7c, so in the summer tyre 'window'
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 9, 2019 14:12:18 GMT
I'm pretty cross with BMW Battersea this morning.
I picked my car up in the evening last week after having the winter wheels fitted and then had to drive across town for a dinner. Far enough from the dealership that I didn't have time to turn around and get back (not least before they shut at 6.30pm), a symbol pinged up on the dashboard showing all four tyres illuminated and saying that the tyres pressures needed testing and resetting. So I rang the service centre who put me through to someone who said "Don't worry - it's just the system re-setting itself. It will go out eventually and you don't need to worry about it". I pointed out that this was my fourth winter with the car and I'd never seen it do this before on any of the previous seven times the wheels had been swapped over. "Don't worry" came back the reply.
But the time I got home, the yellow warning triangle was still on and the iDrive was still telling me this related to the tyres. However, I then forgot about it as we were busy and didn't have cause to use the car again until this morning. At which point I remembered and did a re-set of the TPM, which promptly told me that all the tyres were at 2.1 bar, rather than the 2.6 bar that the sticker on the B-pillar recommended. Naturally I rang the service centre who told me it was likely a fault with the computer rather than the tyres being low, but if I brought it in, they'd check it. They aren't far away as the crow flies, but it would take at least half a hour in the morning rush-hour and in completely the wrong direction.
So I took it to around to our local Kwik-fit who found that the computer wasn't telling porkies and that all four tyres were indeed at 2.1 bar. They then kindly inflated them to the correct pressure for me without charge and I re-reset the TPM.
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Post by Martin on Dec 9, 2019 14:16:33 GMT
I'm pretty cross with BMW Battersea this morning. I picked my car up in the evening last week after having the winter wheels fitted and then had to drive across town for a dinner. Far enough from the dealership that I didn't have time to turn around and get back (not least before they shut at 6.30pm), a symbol pinged up on the dashboard showing all four tyres illuminated and saying that the tyres pressures needed testing and resetting. So I rang the service centre who put me through to someone who said " Don't worry - it's just the system re-setting itself. It will go out eventually and you don't need to worry about it". I pointed out that this was my fourth winter with the car and I'd never seen it do this before on any of the previous seven times the wheels had been swapped over. " Don't worry" came back the reply. But the time I got home, the yellow warning triangle was still on and the iDrive was still telling me this related to the tyres. However, I then forgot about it as we were busy and didn't have cause to use the car again until this morning. At which point I remembered and did a re-set of the TPM, which promptly told me that all the tyres were at 2.1 bar, rather than the 2.6 bar that the sticker on the B-pillar recommended. Naturally I rang the service centre who told me it was likely a fault with the computer rather than the tyres being low, but if I brought it in, they'd check it. They aren't far away as the crow flies, but it would take at least half a hour in the morning rush-hour and in completely the wrong direction. So I took it to around to our local Kwik-fit who found that the computer wasn't telling porkies and that all four tyres were indeed at 2.1 bar. They then kindly inflated them to the correct pressure for me without charge and I re-reset the TPM. Sounds like they haven't touched / checked them since they took them off. That's pretty poor.
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 9, 2019 14:24:19 GMT
Indeed. I gave them both barrels, politely but nevertheless both barrels, and am waiting to hear back.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 14:47:00 GMT
It's a dated looking wheel, but fine for the winter and I don't think that's a bad deal at all. Man maths....The tyres are brand new, so that will (could!) save you buying a set of summer tyres, which would be around £700. That leaves about £650 and you'd get most, if not all (depends on condition and tyres) back when you sell them on. Not much for peace of mind. I still have a set of wheels and tyres off the last few cars in the garage that I could sell, too. Funnily enough, I just saw a Q3 with these very wheels fitted. Summer tyres on, though. My summer tyres only have a few mm left on the rear ones, so if I buy winter wheels I'll also have to buy some new summers when they come off. Spensive!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 16:00:31 GMT
Purely in the interests of science, I can report that giving the car a ham-footed bootfull half way around a small roundabout is definitely enough to cause the rear to step out. But this is a long way from my preferred cornering style, and the electronics sorted it in conjunction with a proverbial dab of oppo. If that's today, the temperature is above 7c, so in the summer tyre 'window' Car said 5, but not sure how reliable that is. It really was ham-footed, too...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 17:30:11 GMT
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Post by johnc on Dec 9, 2019 17:50:57 GMT
You will need the Tyre pressure monitoring and the wheel balance as well I presume - that makes them about £1,500 depending on what exchange rate you get. How badly damaged is the tyre on the first lot?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 18:35:07 GMT
I've just realised that site and the ebay seller are one and the same! Doh! On the ebay listing you can see there is a pretty big gouge in one of the tyres, but on the website it has been badly disguised using Paint.
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Post by johnc on Dec 10, 2019 7:17:21 GMT
I wonder how bad the damage is in reality. The ebay advert suggests that it is minor.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Dec 10, 2019 9:59:58 GMT
Hmmm. I'd avoid! Is it not better to just buy some tyres for now and have them fitted to the current wheels?
Id also consider all weather tyres, too, to avoid the decline in grip in the inevitable very mild winter we we will see once we have all bought winter tyres!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 11:13:36 GMT
Surely all season tyres are the worst of both worlds? OK in the winter but not as good as a winter tyre and OK in the summer but not as good as a summer tyre.
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Post by Roadrunner on Dec 10, 2019 12:00:41 GMT
I would run away from the damaged tyre as fast as humanly possible. You can't tell what damage has been done to the inner structure of the sidewall and you really don't want it to let go on the outside lane of the motorway.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 12:10:24 GMT
That's what I'm thinking. All of the stuff on that site is either second hand or just seconds. They have some 18" ones on there where one rim has a ding in it but if I'm going to pay out four figures on a set of wheels I want them to be in good nick.
Found a Russian video where the 18s have been fitted. Don't look as bad as I feared they would.
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Post by Tim on Dec 10, 2019 13:12:56 GMT
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