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Post by johnc on Oct 18, 2019 10:52:49 GMT
Mine is on P Zero rubber, too. I don't rate them very highly! I have been feeling like Hannu Mikkola since the temperatures dropped (only to about 7.5/8 degrees in the morning) whereas in summer they were like slicks and could move your internal organs around with the lateral G! |
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Post by PetrolEd on Oct 18, 2019 11:15:02 GMT
I was never a fan of Pzeros when I ran my boggo Cayman and the move to PS4S were revolutionary.
Winter tyres are still aa little lost on me when summers have such good allround capability now. Of course I ran a GT4 on Cup 2's through the winter so I a bit of a knuckle dragger in that respect. If it snows I stay at home.
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Post by johnc on Oct 18, 2019 12:17:01 GMT
I've never seen such a big transformation in a tyre from summer to winter as we had on my wife's car and on mine. The Bridgestone RE050 weren't great but the Bridgestone S001's coped pretty well with both.
I can currently get the tail out on demand with just a dab of throttle and about 3,000rpm - and no they are not bald! With snow or ice I think the car would be undriveable.
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 18, 2019 12:18:55 GMT
Which is rather odd, because I find the PZeros on my car not marvellous when it is warmer in terms of grip, but extremely impressive on snow and ice. Do they do different versions of the PZero? Apologies...mine are of course SottoZeros... |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Oct 19, 2019 11:54:59 GMT
I was never a fan of Pzeros when I ran my boggo Cayman and the move to PS4S were revolutionary. Winter tyres are still aa little lost on me when summers have such good allround capability now. Of course I ran a GT4 on Cup 2's through the winter so I a bit of a knuckle dragger in that respect. If it snows I stay at home. Full winters here in the UK are not at all ideal, as the grip levels can go right off at the temperatures we normally see. Only for a few days a year, if even that, when it snows, are they any good. That's where all season rubber comes in, with a compound better suited to warmer temperatures but a tread pattern that will clear heavy standing water and snow. I am totally converted to the case for something like Crossclimate+ tyres for UK winter use on a daily driver, then swapping back to summer tyres after the winter, when the car can then feel much sharper. Even having AWD can be sod all use in snow with summer tyres. |
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 21, 2019 9:58:27 GMT
I only swap to winters because they are obligatory between November and April both where my in-laws live, and also where we go skiing.
Some years there isn't much snow but last time it threw it down and there's no way the car would have gone anywhere without winter tyres.
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 21, 2019 10:03:49 GMT
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Post by grampa on Oct 26, 2019 19:32:00 GMT
If I had a need for winter tyres I’d have bought the ones my brother in law just sold. £550 for the set, also included a set of alloys with ordinary tyres, and a complete 56 plate Fiat Punto with 10 months MOT. Wouldn’t have even had to worry if I’d bumped it!
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Post by franki68 on Nov 5, 2019 17:30:01 GMT
The 335 needs new rears ,I’m running pzeroes on the front and have never mixed tyres before but am thinking of cross climates on the rear,leaving the pzeroes on the front .
Good or bad idea?
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Post by Martin on Nov 5, 2019 18:12:30 GMT
The 335 needs new rears ,I’m running pzeroes on the front and have never mixed tyres before but am thinking of cross climates on the rear,leaving the pzeroes on the front . Good or bad idea? Very bad idea. |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 5, 2019 18:45:24 GMT
Indeed. Very, very bad. Go all summer or all winter or all all-season. Never mix them.
If I have time this week I will get the Crossclimates put on.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 6, 2019 7:39:36 GMT
We had Crossclimates on the front of our last Qashqai, worked really well and gave a lot more traction getting away from slippery junctions in the winter.
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Post by Tim on Nov 6, 2019 8:56:09 GMT
The 335 needs new rears ,I’m running pzeroes on the front and have never mixed tyres before but am thinking of cross climates on the rear,leaving the pzeroes on the front . Good or bad idea? Atrocious idea if for no other reason than it could potentially fuck up your transfer box due to the difference in tread depth from front to rear. Plus if it does snow you'd have terminal understeer. |
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 6, 2019 16:06:51 GMT
Yes, the 335 has xDrive so that's why I understand it's a bad idea.
Bob - assume your Cashcow is 2wd?
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 6, 2019 16:08:03 GMT
Yes, the 335 has xDrive so that's why I understand it's a bad idea. Bob - assume your Cashcow is 2wd? Yes it was, as is the current one. I'm sure there aren't many 4x4 Cashcows out there, actually. |
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 6, 2019 16:23:57 GMT
Yes, the 335 has xDrive so that's why I understand it's a bad idea. Bob - assume your Cashcow is 2wd? Yes it was, as is the current one. I'm sure there aren't many 4x4 Cashcows out there, actually. I figured as much. Irrespective of that, doesn't it affect the handling balance to have grippier tyres at one end that the other? Genuine question. |
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Post by Tim on Nov 6, 2019 16:39:33 GMT
Yes it was, as is the current one. I'm sure there aren't many 4x4 Cashcows out there, actually. I figured as much. Irrespective of that, doesn't it affect the handling balance to have grippier tyres at one end that the other? Genuine question. From a distant memory of being on snow when my Dad put winter tyres on the front only of our Austin Ambassador then yes, a bit, but it is a bigger concern under braking. Having said that a modern car equipped with ABS and stability control is possibly less likely to try to swap ends when braking on snow in the aforementioned configuration  |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 7, 2019 12:35:39 GMT
I think a mix of full winters on one end and summers on the other is probably far worse than an all season/summer mix. However, I still wouldn't do it. I think one or the other. Traction to get moving is only one purpose of the tyre. Compromising that balance isn't a good idea.
My Crossclimates have been fitted this morning. I can now confidently predict that we will get no snow this winter!
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Post by Martin on Nov 10, 2019 20:06:52 GMT
I fitted the winter wheels / tyres to both cars today. Got my eldest to help, which did make it quite a bit easier and it did him good learning to change a wheel. I have to lock off the air suspension on the BMW and when I tried to release it, it went to the highest position.... read the manual and I just need to drive off and it will drop back down. Not only ready for colder temperatures, but also ready for a bit of light flooding and snow with the semi-SUV rise height! 
Normal ride height  |
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Post by LandieMark on Nov 10, 2019 21:56:10 GMT
Nice looking car that. BMW have lost the plot currently.
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Post by johnc on Nov 14, 2019 12:43:01 GMT
I have just pulled the trigger on a set of new winter wheels and tyres from BMW (I managed to get 10% off and interest free over 10mths). I have to drive to the other side of the country to get them in the rather strange scenario that my local dealers (one of whom is in the same group) wouldn't give me any kind of deal.
I looked at a couple of used sets in Germany but they wouldn't do the reverse charge VAT arrangement and wanted to charge me German VAT which I can't claim back. The other set available a bit cheaper might need two tyres replaced soon and would definitely require a wheel refurb.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 14, 2019 15:14:40 GMT
I have just pulled the trigger on a set of new winter wheels and tyres from BMW (I managed to get 10% off and interest free over 10mths). I have to drive to the other side of the country to get them in the rather strange scenario that my local dealers (one of whom is in the same group) wouldn't give me any kind of deal. I looked at a couple of used sets in Germany but they wouldn't do the reverse charge VAT arrangement and wanted to charge me German VAT which I can't claim back. The other set available a bit cheaper might need two tyres replaced soon and would definitely require a wheel refurb. Do BMW store your summer wheels or will you store them at home? Good plan, though, getting winters for the M5. I think you'll be impressed come the poor weather. |
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Post by johnc on Nov 14, 2019 15:23:20 GMT
BMW will store the wheels but they don't want to, so I will take them home somehow. Most dealerships say they won't store anymore but a couple I spoke to say they will. It would worry me a bit leaving the wheels lying around at a dealership and hoping they were still there in 5 or 6 months.
I have been sideways many times in recent weeks because the PZeros are so useless when it's cold. The car sorts itself out if you keep a bit of throttle on but I feel I am skirting with danger and it's not worth the risk. Most of my driving is done in the morning or towards the end of the day so it is nearly always cold at this time of year. The new house is also at the top of a hill - great for lack of flooding but a nightmare if it snows so I am just getting prepared.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 14, 2019 15:28:00 GMT
I'm sure they will fit in the car, sets folded and lots of old blankets used to protect the trim! You'll be able to properly clean and seal the summer wheels, too. I have to use the same wheels and have the tyres swapped over as I haven't had spare cash to buy a second set of alloys yet.
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Post by Martin on Nov 14, 2019 17:10:29 GMT
Well worth having for peace of mind and a second set is the ideal solution, keeps your summer wheels in great condition and as Stu says, doing it yourself means you can clean/seal them more easily.
I bought two sets of wheel bags, didn't have them for the last two sets and it's a better way of storing and handling them.
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Post by johnc on Nov 14, 2019 17:17:44 GMT
Well worth having for peace of mind and a second set is the ideal solution, keeps your summer wheels in great condition and as Stu says, doing it yourself means you can clean/seal them more easily. I bought two sets of wheel bags, didn't have them for the last two sets and it's a better way of storing and handling them. I will get the summers well and truly cleaned and then sealed with Gtechniq coatings but that might need to wait until after the house move which is 2 weeks today! We are going in to a local holiday Inn for a week to allow time for plastering of ceilings (my wife can't stand Artex) and a few other smaller jobs. I don't have time to get wheel bags before Saturday but lots of blankets and cardboard should get them home. I might wrap them in bubble wrap for the move and take them myself in the van I am hiring for the garage clearout! |
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Post by Martin on Nov 14, 2019 17:30:52 GMT
Well worth having for peace of mind and a second set is the ideal solution, keeps your summer wheels in great condition and as Stu says, doing it yourself means you can clean/seal them more easily. I bought two sets of wheel bags, didn't have them for the last two sets and it's a better way of storing and handling them. I will get the summers well and truly cleaned and then sealed with Gtechniq coatings but that might need to wait until after the house move which is 2 weeks today! We are going in to a local holiday Inn for a week to allow time for plastering of ceilings (my wife can't stand Artex) and a few other smaller jobs. I don't have time to get wheel bags before Saturday but lots of blankets and cardboard should get them home. I might wrap them in bubble wrap for the move and take them myself in the van I am hiring for the garage clearout! I bought mine from Amazon, so next day delivery, but probably too late now. Edit: They're not on Prime anymore, so that won't work anyway. These are the ones I bought, same size fits all wheels well, so 18" (Golf winters) to 20" (BMW Summers) Wheel Bags |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 17:58:19 GMT
There is a wheel set available for the new RS Q3 and it's over 1500 quid and the rims are 17". That must mean the new model has smaller front brakes/brake calipers than mine because I have a minimum size of 18".
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Post by johnc on Nov 14, 2019 19:19:53 GMT
I will get the summers well and truly cleaned and then sealed with Gtechniq coatings but that might need to wait until after the house move which is 2 weeks today! We are going in to a local holiday Inn for a week to allow time for plastering of ceilings (my wife can't stand Artex) and a few other smaller jobs. I don't have time to get wheel bags before Saturday but lots of blankets and cardboard should get them home. I might wrap them in bubble wrap for the move and take them myself in the van I am hiring for the garage clearout! I bought mine from Amazon, so next day delivery, but probably too late now. Edit: They're not on Prime anymore, so that won't work anyway. These are the ones I bought, same size fits all wheels well, so 18" (Golf winters) to 20" (BMW Summers) Wheel BagsThanks Martin. I have just ordered a set which I should get on Tuesday. |
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Post by Martin on Nov 14, 2019 19:59:36 GMT
You’re welcome
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