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Post by Nelson on Jan 11, 2020 20:01:06 GMT
I was at Caffeine and Machine yesterday and there was a LWB Defender in the main carpark. It was in a dark grey, with no blingy bits and, covered in a good layer of road grime, especially up the rear, it looked absolutely fucking fantastic. It's the first one I've seen up close and to me, at least, it has huge appeal. Pleasure to meet and chat with you last week, Stu The new Defender was in the yard again today. Agree, does look utterly fantastic. The McLaren Senna visited today too, along with an F12 and a DBS Superleggera. Standard day, lol |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 21:01:19 GMT
I have a pic of the Senna, sent to me this afternoon by Dan G.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 11:52:30 GMT
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Post by Andy C on May 6, 2020 8:18:02 GMT
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Post by PG on May 6, 2020 12:14:25 GMT
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Post by Martin on May 6, 2020 12:16:28 GMT
Did you see the price? I'd be prepared to put money on you not buying one! |
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Post by PG on May 6, 2020 12:21:42 GMT
Did you see the price? I'd be prepared to put money on you not buying one! Yes please more as in desirability rather than reality. It would certainly require some research level man maths to justify and even then, it's probably in a parallel universe. I expect we'll stick with the Shogun  |
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Post by Martin on May 6, 2020 12:29:54 GMT
Did you see the price? I'd be prepared to put money on you not buying one! Yes please more as in desirability rather than reality. It would certainly require some research level man maths to justify and even then, it's probably in a parallel universe. I expect we'll stick with the Shogun It will be even more desirable with a modern and efficient BMW V8 in it! |
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Post by michael on May 6, 2020 12:31:10 GMT
Land Rovers have had BMW engines before, they still breakdown!
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Post by Martin on May 6, 2020 12:37:17 GMT
Land Rovers have had BMW engines before, they still breakdown! True and I don't think the current engines are generally the issue either (could be wrong), but it shouldn’t make things worse and I was just joking anyway. |
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Post by michael on May 6, 2020 13:47:17 GMT
There's an opinion piece about this on Autocar that raises the issue of the fleet average emissions that will dictate how many can be sold. I really hope governments see some sense and drop this restrictive nonsense so that the economy has a chance to rebuild. The green agenda has always been about managed decline but I think it's going to become clear quite soon that's not a view shared by the public.
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Post by johnc on May 6, 2020 13:52:45 GMT
There's an opinion piece about this on Autocar that raises the issue of the fleet average emissions that will dictate how many can be sold. I really hope governments see some sense and drop this restrictive nonsense so that the economy has a chance to rebuild. The green agenda has always been about managed decline but I think it's going to become clear quite soon that's not a view shared by the public. But it doesn't stop every green they can muster appearing on almost every news story to say that we now need to keep emissions at the current level and that this lockdown should just be the start of the reductions. |
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Post by michael on May 6, 2020 13:56:28 GMT
They have had far too much airtime. It's time for a grown up debate about the economy versus a war on CO2 which may or may not effect global warming/ climate change/ climate emergency or whatever it ends up being called with next to instil the fear of god into people having lived through a real crisis.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 15:12:02 GMT
There's an opinion piece about this on Autocar that raises the issue of the fleet average emissions that will dictate how many can be sold. I really hope governments see some sense and drop this restrictive nonsense so that the economy has a chance to rebuild. The green agenda has always been about managed decline but I think it's going to become clear quite soon that's not a view shared by the public. But it doesn't stop every green they can muster appearing on almost every news story to say that we now need to keep emissions at the current level and that this lockdown should just be the start of the reductions. They are already doing it, the beeb news today has been falling over backwards to promote one of them today. |
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Post by Tim on May 6, 2020 15:21:35 GMT
As has been said elsewhere the fairly small drop in emissions indicates that cars in particular aren't the problem.
Perhaps the Yanks have the right view by allowing citizens to cull each other with the flimsiest of excuses (that's a joke, by the way).
Overpopulation and the consumption of things in all forms is clearly the biggest problem.
I feel I should be rewarded for having older cars, an old house and not having any kids............
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Post by Martin on May 6, 2020 15:22:49 GMT
As has been said elsewhere the fairly small drop in emissions indicates that cars in particular aren't the problem. Perhaps the Yanks have the right view by allowing citizens to cull each other with the flimsiest of excuses (that's a joke, by the way). Overpopulation and the consumption of things in all forms is clearly the biggest problem. I feel I should be rewarded for having older cars, an old house and not having any kids............ You've already got your rewards!  |
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Post by Tim on May 6, 2020 15:35:12 GMT
I need some financial reward to sort them all out!!
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Post by Roadsterstu on May 6, 2020 19:36:37 GMT
As has been said elsewhere the fairly small drop in emissions indicates that cars in particular aren't the problem. Although the piece I read on the Beeb website found someone to say the reduction in road transport accounted for most of the CO2 reductions. |
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Post by Tim on May 7, 2020 8:47:02 GMT
As has been said elsewhere the fairly small drop in emissions indicates that cars in particular aren't the problem. Although the piece I read on the Beeb website found someone to say the reduction in road transport accounted for most of the CO2 reductions. Quite, but if they want to make significant reductions then by looking at the roads they're surely focused on the wrong place. Does anyone actually know where the remaining 92% is taking place or have they all been staring at cars and leaving it at that? As I said in the 'How Heavy' thread moving us all into electric cars clearly isn't going to reduce emissions as much as anyone wants so given the proposal to ban all ICE engined car sales by 2035 where are the equivalents banning, say, wood burning fires for those who actually have gas or electric heating? I heard a scientist type on the radio months ago saying that someone in a city putting damp wood on their log burner created emissions equivalent to driving a fully laden artic (or it may have been 6 of them) up and down the street all night. There doesn't appear to be any hand-wringing about that unnecessary fashion accessory. |
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Post by PG on May 7, 2020 9:10:55 GMT
Although the piece I read on the Beeb website found someone to say the reduction in road transport accounted for most of the CO2 reductions. Quite, but if they want to make significant reductions then by looking at the roads they're surely focused on the wrong place. Does anyone actually know where the remaining 92% is taking place or have they all been staring at cars and leaving it at that? ... banning, say, wood burning fires for those who actually have gas or electric heating? I heard a scientist type on the radio months ago saying that someone in a city putting damp wood on their log burner created emissions equivalent to driving a fully laden artic (or it may have been 6 of them) up and down the street all night. There doesn't appear to be any hand-wringing about that unnecessary fashion accessory. The message the green lobby aided by the press have been pushing is that if only we all gave up driving and stopped eating meat, our CO2 problems would be over. The fact that emissions are still at 92% of prior levels shows that to be the load of hogwash it always was. But I doubt we'll hear anybody saying that in politics, the press or the green lobby? As said above, overpopulation and general consumption are the issues. I bet if we switched off the internet, there would be a bigger than 8% drop in emissions as server farms and computers are now big, big power users. Nobody has suggested that so far... Re the wood burning stoves, that debate is more about particulates and air quality rather than CO2. People just need to stop burning wet wood and use a clean air approved stove - that solves most of the issue. But no, we'll ban abs bastards instead..... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2020 15:11:12 GMT
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Post by michael on Dec 21, 2020 23:00:03 GMT
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Post by Tim on Dec 22, 2020 8:54:11 GMT
Don't get your face too close to that, could get messy |
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Post by johnc on Dec 22, 2020 9:10:52 GMT
Someone must have been having a real laugh when they drew those instructions.
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Post by PG on Feb 25, 2021 19:45:07 GMT
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Post by ChrisM on Feb 25, 2021 22:34:03 GMT
I did laugh when I read a recent article that said that the government were suddenly worried that loads of people would go out and buy the most polluting, largest engined ICE cars possible just before the ban on their sale comes into force. What else did they expect?? Are our MPs really such idiots that they didn't think that this would happen?
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Post by PetrolEd on Feb 26, 2021 9:40:20 GMT
Love it, if I had the funds a v8 90 for me please. Only thing is if the cool wall still existed it would unfortunately find itself placed next to the G63 in totally uncool. Good old Jezzas reasoning, it'll be owned by some dude in a Balenciaga hoody, Supreme trainers and oversized shades. Only cool Land Rover is one like Marks old car. Doesn't stop me really wanting one. Out G's the G-class |
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Post by Andy C on Feb 26, 2021 9:59:18 GMT
Love it, if I had the funds a v8 90 for me please. Only thing is if the cool wall still existed it would unfortunately find itself placed next to the G63 in totally uncool. Good old Jezzas reasoning, it'll be owned by some dude in a Balenciaga hoody, Supreme trainers and oversized shades. Only cool Land Rover is one like Marks old car. Doesn't stop me really wanting one. Out G's the G-class It’s still a defender though. I don’t think a defender no matter what engine or colour is cool Enough for them types. I just had a look at balenciagas summer 21 men’s range... FUCK ME |
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Post by johnc on Feb 26, 2021 10:32:46 GMT
I know quite a few people who are buying the new Defender, a couple of whom had Discoveries, one a RR Sport and the others are LR/RR product virgins. It seems to appeal to a very wide market.
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 26, 2021 11:22:50 GMT
I had never heard of Balenciaga before. The very model of the phrase 'emperor's new suit of clothes'.
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