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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 15:24:03 GMT
Ok, just wondered if the remap had replaced horses lost over time or given you an increase over the factory figures. Typical Internet forum post then.....quoting unsubstantiated (or someone else’s) power/torque figures!  As with a a lot of things, the most (only) important thing is how it feels to you. That’s what I tell myself when I get on the scales or thing about my age anyway..... I thought I had something, somewhere. This is the charting from the guy who runs DMS's own B7 RS4, which is older than mine. Lowest line is when in need of a major de-coke. Middle is after that, and top is post remap:
Obviously it doesn't prove that mine is identical, but I have no reason to doubt there are significant differences.
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Post by Tim on Nov 6, 2017 13:47:15 GMT
I think Simon's point about being up for for it makes a huge difference to those of us with older performance cars that are manual.
In a 335d/640d/etc you're sitting beside a manual gearbox with a quick kickdown giving access to maximum 'go'.
If you have a manual - even a large capacity one - I'd suggest that in most cases you'll just plant your foot slightly out of the power band comfortable in the knowledge that in a couple of seconds you'll be accelerating hard.
In a 3rd/4th gear sprint though that couple of seconds will make a huge difference especially to the guy in the auto who will go online and describ ehow he destroyed the XXX he was up against.
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Post by johnc on Nov 6, 2017 15:32:07 GMT
Mine is 4.6s to 60 but as twelfth mentioned you have to be on it, in a big engine petrol if you want to beat it.
The thing to remember about the fast diesels is that they have near immediate go in overtaking situations which I reckon makes them every bit as fast in every day traffic as their big petrol counterparts. A straight drag race is slightly different - ditch the fossil fuel and buy a Tesla! |
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Post by Tim on Nov 6, 2017 16:37:02 GMT
Can't you say the same about modern big petrols as well though, since they're pretty much all autos now?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 16:44:53 GMT
And turbos.
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Post by Tim on Nov 6, 2017 17:04:39 GMT
What's the weight of a 435D?
4.6s is quicker to 60 than the E39 M5 with 400BHP!
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Post by johnc on Nov 6, 2017 18:14:25 GMT
I'm not saying that diesels are faster than petrols but I think the full performance of a diesel like mine is available on tap more easily than it is in a big petrol and part of that is down to the amount of torque available from low revs. Turbo petrols like the V8 4 litre C63 have more torque than the naturally aspirated petrols and are probably closer to the instant go of the big turbo diesel. With 4wd I can apply full throttle in most circumstances, like twelfth's RS4 and in the damp or wet, that makes the car faster than nearly anything else if you're daft enough to keep the boot in.
Put it this way: I don't need any more performance than I have for the road and I believe that the performance I have is more readily available and usable than most large engine petrol cars. |
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Post by franki68 on Nov 8, 2017 14:28:06 GMT
The difference between a manual and a sorted auto or dual clutch is quite significant.I had a play in the gt4 with a cayman gts and the gts had a pdk box and I could not keep up with it,every gearchange was a huge difference.
People forget road test results are usually based especially with manuals on 10-20 launches to get the times that you read .A pro driver executing a manual gearchange perfectly will still lose a minimum of around .5 seconds per change vs say a PDK box.
Whether it is more fun or not is a different matter.
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Post by johnc on Dec 5, 2017 14:13:20 GMT
I pulled off the motorway this morning and down the two lane slip road to a set of lights. Both lanes can turn right. 200 yds up the road there is another set of lights where I was turning right so I sat in the right hand lane. A youngish guy in a white Golf R came up alongside me on the left but he was indicating right. He was edging forward a bit and I had the feeling he was going to try to beat me away from the lights and then pull in in front of me to turn right down the same street as me. He tried and he failed. He did manage to get his nose alongside my passenger door as he hit the rev limiter and had to pull back in behind me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 15:09:28 GMT
The inner child has to be fed occasionally or it dies!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 9:24:35 GMT
Have largely given up posting about the sort of chancers who decide a TLGP is worthwhile, but the Mokka from yesterday really did seem to be deluding himself.
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Post by johnc on Jan 4, 2019 14:53:41 GMT
Have largely given up posting about the sort of chancers who decide a TLGP is worthwhile, but the Mokka from yesterday really did seem to be deluding himself. If he bought a Mokka he probably didn't know what an RS4 was! |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jan 4, 2019 17:18:56 GMT
Have largely given up posting about the sort of chancers who decide a TLGP is worthwhile, but the Mokka from yesterday really did seem to be deluding himself. If he bought a Mokka he probably didn't know what an RS4 was! Probably telling his mates down the pub he was "on it" against a bloke in some BMW... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 11:53:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 12:55:23 GMT
There are a few junctions where I can predict the squeal of brakes as someone comes up the outside expecting to cut into the left turn lane before the road narrows past the junction. I just let them go it is simpler and they feel clever for a few more seconds 'till the traffic stalls. Wow, you got one car further up the road than you were. Not worth the agro but sometimes I stick to my my guns and they are left with nowhere to go.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 13:50:58 GMT
Race of the generations... It's the same B7 that Andy showed in the RS4 vs S3 vid, and clearly down on power as the standing quarter is a second off what Autocar got, two up with a tank of fuel. Maybe it's slowed by the car's dislike of the irritant driving it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 12:28:06 GMT
Had a new RS6 pull up in lane three at a set of lights, me being in lane one. Thought I'd see how it went, and it was interesting. I got a car length fairly quickly (so we'll call that reaction time), but it took him 4-500 yards to get a car length ahead, and when in the top 3,000 rpm, the gap was barely opening at all.
At which point he pulled sharply in front of me, perhaps not wise with there being bugger-all gap between us...
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Post by Tim on Jan 10, 2019 12:54:08 GMT
At which point he pulled sharply in front of me, perhaps not wise with there being bugger-all gap between us...
He's probably used to there not being anyone there after a decent thrash.
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Post by PetrolEd on Jan 10, 2019 16:15:38 GMT
Was the RS6 broken:)
Only joking, however I am surprised as I've been in an RS6 and they seem to rip the tarmac from underneath you. Proper rapid.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 16:26:53 GMT
I was a little surprised not to see him waltz off, too. Obviously my car isn't standard, and there was a bit of angle to the start of the section in question, but the relative pace was much closer than I would have expected.
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Post by grampa on Jan 11, 2019 18:45:17 GMT
First time across the Severn Bridge since the toll finished yesterday. I missed perhaps one of the UK's TLGP out of the toll booths. The lack of queuing made up for it though.
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Post by Martin on Jan 11, 2019 18:54:15 GMT
The Southbound M6 toll was full of Focus RS this afternoon, all covered in stickers and with different lights, spoilers etc and rediculous exhausts. Couldn’t resist giving it full beans away from the toll booth with one either side, as they’d been sitting there revving them. They weren’t properly trying after the initial noise / 1st gear so I dropped them really quickly. One woke up and eventually came past as I eased off to cruising speed, then slowed back down.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jan 12, 2019 13:13:30 GMT
I love a good TBGP, although it's not quite the event it once was for me!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 15:55:47 GMT
The mighty 220D Sport Tourer, aggressively driven by a tubbsome youngster. I think not.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 13:06:21 GMT
Not quite the TLGP, but I was doing 40 along a brief stretch of 40, and had an oaf in a Disco manhandle his car around and settle rather more closely to my rear than was safe. There'a small roundabout that follows, with a short straight thereafter before I have to turn. I know it's childish, but I do love making it clear to people like him that their choice of car is poor for that sort of thing, no matter how mighty their sense of entitlement.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 14:55:41 GMT
On the topic of tlgp, has anyone ever faked a start while the lights are still red? Not the responsible thing but possibly just enough to get a bit of embarrassment for the 'other guy'.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 17:39:15 GMT
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Post by Martin on Mar 13, 2019 17:40:23 GMT
The opportunity doesn’t come up all that often, but surprising someone in a car they think is particularly fast is the best sport, you don’t even have to be quicker but when a big estate or saloon keeps up and then they slow down to have a look at what it is, it’s pretty amusing.
Having said it doesn’t happen often, had two this afternoon. First was a retirement aged chap in a flat cap who was driving his 2018 F Type (V6 S) surprisingly aggressively. As we approached the NSL limit sign coming out of the roadworks on the M6 he was too close and weaving around a bit despite me not having anywhere to go. As we were almost at the sign I was able to move over, so did, then as he accelerated hard I did the same. It wasn’t a decisive ‘victory ‘ but the 750 is a bit quicker.
Second was a 2017 335d Estate at the M6 Toll GP, I was quite a bit quicker until I lifted off at 90 leptons and he came flying past. He then slowed down to about 70 and was practically leaning out of his car getting a good look as I wafted past.
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Post by clunes on Mar 13, 2019 22:21:33 GMT
Had my first TLGP type experience in the 640d today (I don’t really care but typically pull away swiftly). I was at a red light on a dual carriageway near mine tonight and a Range Rover Sport SVR pulled up (swiftly) behind. I love the noise they make and I was interested to see how much faster he was as the 640d has never felt properly fast to me despite a few occasions where it had kept pace with some ‘proper’ sports cars. So when the lights went green I accelerated and immediately pulled into the near side lane expecting him to fly past in a cacophony of exhaust noise. Well, there is no doubt at all he was gaining and closed the initial gap but the rate of gain was smaller than I expected and he barely got his nose alongside before we had to slow for the next lights. Now, it goes without saying that we never went over the limit but had we have done I would guess it would be significantly above the limit and nearing 3 figures before the difference would have been marked. Judging by the way he shot off as I slowed to turn right it felt like he had something to prove. It made me smile and reminded me that despite being a big lump of metal these BMW diesels aren’t too bad at shoving things down the road and the RR driver probably felt less pleased than I...now, a 750 would have been far more fun  I’ll almost certainly miss that low down shove if/when I change! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 9:02:49 GMT
The opportunity doesn’t come up all that often, but surprising someone in a car they think is particularly fast is the best sport, you don’t even have to be quicker but when a big estate or saloon keeps up and then they slow down to have a look at what it is, it’s pretty amusing. Having said it doesn’t happen often, had two this afternoon. First was a retirement aged chap in a flat cap who was driving his 2018 F Type (V6 S) surprisingly aggressively. As we approached the NSL limit sign coming out of the roadworks on the M6 he was too close and weaving around a bit despite me not having anywhere to go. As we were almost at the sign I was able to move over, so did, then as he accelerated hard I did the same. It wasn’t a decisive ‘victory ‘ but the 750 is a bit quicker. Second was a 2017 335d Estate at the M6 Toll GP, I was quite a bit quicker until I lifted off at 90 leptons and he came flying past. He then slowed down to about 70 and was practically leaning out of his car getting a good look as I wafted past. Mark of the tosser, that... |
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