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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 13:48:31 GMT
The former, and my apologies!
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Post by racingteatray on Jun 5, 2017 13:16:26 GMT
I rarely partake of this particularly pleasure but did have a little friendly joust with a chap in a tidy blue Mk5 R32 along a section of roundabout-punctuated dual carriageway past Ipswich. I'd forgotten just how unexpectedly loud and aggressive a yowl the 440i will make if you floor it in Sport+.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jun 7, 2017 8:33:09 GMT
Good work, sir. Good work.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 13:33:00 GMT
Was rather surprised when a battered old Galaxy appeared to my right at the lights on the way to the pool, with a slightly wired, gum-chewing chimplet at the wheel.
And had a lardy alpha male type in a 5 series sat on my arse on the way back, startlingly close and weaving from side to side despite the traffic around us. I happened to be first at the single-lane lights at exit, and primed Mrs 12th for a full bore start.
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Post by Martin on Jun 11, 2017 19:51:47 GMT
I'm not usually one for the TLGP, but had two today, both successful. The Typhon I mentioned in another post was behind me and moved over to the right at the lights on the A43 near Silverstone. I wanted to get to hear it at full bore, so decided to go for it and try and tempt him. It worked and was a good example of what can happen if you're not quite ready / on it. I pulled away quite nicely, then he got on it and screamed past me, but I was doing about 80 leptons when he did.
The second was more seriously. Couple of young lads in a newish Fiesta ST, fresh from watching the racing at Silverstone, who were in a lane that disappeared not long after the roundabout so we're creeping forward and ready. So I was in full on Sport mode with Auto Hold on and ready. No wheelspin/TC, but even so it was surprisingly easy to drop them. Probably a bit more surprising for then than me....
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jun 12, 2017 8:43:27 GMT
primed Mrs 12th for a full bore start.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 14:30:10 GMT
Starting to wonder whether my car's appearance is somehow fading - I got taken on by a Post Office van this afternoon.
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Post by Tim on Jun 12, 2017 15:25:00 GMT
At least you get the opportunity, I've only ever been challenged twice in the M5 and once in the Fiat. I'm going to have to sit at lights in the 320 revving and edging to provoke a reaction  |
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Post by johnc on Jun 16, 2017 16:48:59 GMT
I meant to post this this morning. Last night on my way home I pulled up at lights which are in a 40mph section of dual carriageway. About 30 seconds later a new blue Focus RS pulls up alongside me. I thought about it for a couple of seconds and then thought no, this is a 40mph zone and it is irresponsible. The lights started to change and the RS leapt forward 2 feet as I made a swift but far from rapid getaway. He had stalled it and it seemed to take ages for him to get it restarted. He pulled in behind me and made gentle progress! Should have bought the auto!
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Post by Big Blue on Jun 19, 2017 9:39:52 GMT
I picked my best friend up from dropping his Lexus off for some work last night. He's never been in the Gorilla before but clearly knows, after 40 years of friendship, that I am a nutter.
At the Sutton one way (the bit with a police station in the middle!) a car broke a red light coming from Cheam end as I launched fro the Wallington end. Cue cruise round the outside of the car into the next right with Big G saying "this cars too fast for the size it is..."
Then later onto an empty, un-camera'd dual carriageway section between Ewell Village Shell and the old cinema (now flats). Full-bore acceleration with the comment "fuck me that's fast! Properly fast."
Still mental (car and me)
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Post by Boxer6 on Jun 27, 2017 19:39:05 GMT
Not a participant, but we (well, I) witnessed another somewhat mis-matched TLGP today; M135i vs . . . . diesel Polo!
Give him his due, the Polo held it's own for all of about 10 yards - or until the Beemer driver actually set off, as I don't think he realised at first he was actually IN a TLGP!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 16:24:55 GMT
I was approaching a roundabout that is always busy and which already had a car queuing, so noticed a new 6 series appear with needless haste in my mirror. A thick of neck occupant, so I wasn't surprised that it stayed glued to my arse around the roundabout. I thought I'd see what happened when we left the next roundabout, which is a mini on a dual and leaves plenty of space for a full bore 2nd gear exit. Gap opened up surprisingly quickly, maybe 10 car lengths, and I pulled into the nearside and applied the brakes to show how mature I really am (not very). 6 passes, and we end up approaching the next set of lights with a car in front of us. This pulls aside when we round the next bend after which it's NSL all the way, so as I suspect I'll be 'put in my place' I select third and follow suit. As it was a 640d, I really wasn't sure what would happen but the gap closed by 3-4 car lengths going through third and into 4th. I guess that this proves that as some of us have maintained, high performance petrol still beats high performance diesel if you are prepared to work the former. Even if it is an old one. Driven by an even older one.
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Nov 3, 2017 19:27:45 GMT
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Post by clunes on Nov 3, 2017 19:27:45 GMT
I'm not even slightly surprised at your car gapping / closing a 640d. Yes they have lots of torque but are heavy cars and are not super fast by any stretch (despite what forum warriors claim about the 35d engine) Your car has a significant power to weight advantage although the BMW does maintain a torque to weight advantage despit the extra kilos. How much power is yours producing (I vaguely remember you had it remapped). Would be interesting to see if the tables were turned with a tuned 640d - an extra 50BHP and 80lb ft of torque may have balanced things. Sounds fun though |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 9:00:31 GMT
It's around 440bhp and 354lb/ft.
Autocar's test figures show the 640d at 5.3 to 60, 13.1 to 100 and 4.6 from 30-70 through the gears, so not slow. 'Warriors' is perhaps a bit harsh!
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 4, 2017 9:25:45 GMT
Would have thought you'd have more torque being a V8 but perhaps that's because it's NA. I think mine is about 354 lbs ft. Not, sadly, 440 horsies though. Which reminds me, I've not yet sampled its refreshed personality. Must sort something out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 9:27:35 GMT
Yep, it's only 317 in standard form. What was the V8 in the ZT?
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 4, 2017 9:32:07 GMT
Yep, it's only 317 in standard form. What was the V8 in the ZT? Runs to Google... |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 4, 2017 9:34:05 GMT
300 it would seem. Clearly a turbo makes up the difference on smaller capacity motors. Now, when yours is supercharged...
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Nov 4, 2017 10:10:43 GMT
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Post by clunes on Nov 4, 2017 10:10:43 GMT
It's around 440bhp and 354lb/ft. Autocar's test figures show the 640d at 5.3 to 60, 13.1 to 100 and 4.6 from 30-70 through the gears, so not slow. 'Warriors' is perhaps a bit harsh! Agreed - far from slow and mine generally feels similar to my old SV8 although a different overall delivery. The warriors comment was not aimed at you bjt more of a reference to the endless threads that exist claiming the 335/535d can destroy anything this side of a supercar - they are tiresome and, as you've ably demonstrated, not true I will be tempted to get a remap at some point though, the additional shove apparently makes quite a difference in day to day - one of the most respected tuners for BMW is only a few mins away ( Bwchiptune) - they don't make silly headline power claims but have a solid reputation. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 10:15:19 GMT
I knew you weren't referring to me, but our uber-dieselists are 'good guys'!
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Post by Martin on Nov 4, 2017 10:21:43 GMT
It's around 440bhp and 354lb/ft. Autocar's test figures show the 640d at 5.3 to 60, 13.1 to 100 and 4.6 from 30-70 through the gears, so not slow. 'Warriors' is perhaps a bit harsh! Did you get it on the dyno after the work had been done? |
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Post by Martin on Nov 4, 2017 10:56:54 GMT
It's around 440bhp and 354lb/ft. Autocar's test figures show the 640d at 5.3 to 60, 13.1 to 100 and 4.6 from 30-70 through the gears, so not slow. 'Warriors' is perhaps a bit harsh! Agreed - far from slow and mine generally feels similar to my old SV8 although a different overall delivery. The warriors comment was not aimed at you bjt more of a reference to the endless threads that exist claiming the 335/535d can destroy anything this side of a supercar - they are tiresome and, as you've ably demonstrated, not true I will be tempted to get a remap at some point though, the additional shove apparently makes quite a difference in day to day - one of the most respected tuners for BMW is only a few mins away ( Bwchiptune) - they don't make silly headline power claims but have a solid reputation. You can get a lot of extra oomph for a reasonable amount, but I’m not interested at all. Might be different if BMW did a performance kit for the 35d engine, but I doubt it, as traction is excellent and more power/torque would upset that. The 330d I drove annoyed me every time I tried to set off quickly or exited a roundabout with full throttle. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 11:13:43 GMT
It's around 440bhp and 354lb/ft. Autocar's test figures show the 640d at 5.3 to 60, 13.1 to 100 and 4.6 from 30-70 through the gears, so not slow. 'Warriors' is perhaps a bit harsh! Did you get it on the dyno after the work had been done? No. It would have meant going back to Birmingham again, which I didn't see the point in doing. I'm sure it wouldn't have been making the full quota at that point either as it did need a de-coke. I have a dyno chart of his, which is about the same age as mine and from which the figures are taken. |
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Post by Martin on Nov 4, 2017 11:17:37 GMT
Ok, just wondered if the remap had replaced horses lost over time or given you an increase over the factory figures. Typical Internet forum post then.....quoting unsubstantiated (or someone else’s) power/torque figures!  As with a a lot of things, the most (only) important thing is how it feels to you. That’s what I tell myself when I get on the scales or thing about my age anyway..... |
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Post by clunes on Nov 4, 2017 11:35:04 GMT
Agreed - far from slow and mine generally feels similar to my old SV8 although a different overall delivery. The warriors comment was not aimed at you bjt more of a reference to the endless threads that exist claiming the 335/535d can destroy anything this side of a supercar - they are tiresome and, as you've ably demonstrated, not true I will be tempted to get a remap at some point though, the additional shove apparently makes quite a difference in day to day - one of the most respected tuners for BMW is only a few mins away ( Bwchiptune) - they don't make silly headline power claims but have a solid reputation. You can get a lot of extra oomph for a reasonable amount, but I’m not interested at all. Might be different if BMW did a performance kit for the 35d engine, but I doubt it, as traction is excellent and more power/torque would upset that. The 330d I drove annoyed me every time I tried to set off quickly or exited a roundabout with full throttle. The improved traction of the BMW over the Jaguar is probably the biggest difference in terms of day to day performance. The Jag really struggled in comparison and I wouldn't want to loose that either however, I know someone who had a 640d Coupe mapped to around 360BHP and 520lb ft who had no issues - I expect the way it's mapped may make a big difference. No immediate plans though - just something I'm pondering. |
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Post by Andy C on Nov 4, 2017 12:49:39 GMT
It's around 440bhp and 354lb/ft. Autocar's test figures show the 640d at 5.3 to 60, 13.1 to 100 and 4.6 from 30-70 through the gears, so not slow. 'Warriors' is perhaps a bit harsh! Agreed - far from slow and mine generally feels similar to my old SV8 although a different overall delivery. The warriors comment was not aimed at you bjt more of a reference to the endless threads that exist claiming the 335/535d can destroy anything this side of a supercar - they are tiresome and, as you've ably demonstrated, not true I will be tempted to get a remap at some point though, the additional shove apparently makes quite a difference in day to day - one of the most respected tuners for BMW is only a few mins away ( Bwchiptune) - they don't make silly headline power claims but have a solid reputation. 335d I imagine is a decent bit lighter than a 535d/640d Didn't top gear clock a 335d at 4.6 to 60 and 11.2 to 100? And I seem to remember the In gear times for the 335d (30-50, 40-60, 50-70) been ludicrously quick , and yeah quicker than some stuff you'd not believe possible |
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Post by clunes on Nov 4, 2017 14:17:05 GMT
Agreed - far from slow and mine generally feels similar to my old SV8 although a different overall delivery. The warriors comment was not aimed at you bjt more of a reference to the endless threads that exist claiming the 335/535d can destroy anything this side of a supercar - they are tiresome and, as you've ably demonstrated, not true I will be tempted to get a remap at some point though, the additional shove apparently makes quite a difference in day to day - one of the most respected tuners for BMW is only a few mins away ( Bwchiptune) - they don't make silly headline power claims but have a solid reputation. 335d I imagine is a decent bit lighter than a 535d/640d Didn't top gear clock a 335d at 4.6 to 60 and 11.2 to 100? And I seem to remember the In gear times for the 335d (30-50, 40-60, 50-70) been ludicrously quick , and yeah quicker than some stuff you'd not believe possible Absolutely. Tuned 335d Xdrive models have been clocked just under 4s to 60 so very rapid. I suppose it's just the endless claims of 35d models 'eating' 'destroying' and 'leaving for dead' things like RS/M and other performance models that grates - I'd be happy if my 640d was that fast but the hype that came in the early days of the twin turbo diesels was/is OTT. That a diesel gets close though to more obvious performance choices is impressive though - although I desperately miss the noise of a proper petrol (and why something like that LC500 appeals so much) |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 15:04:22 GMT
Ok, just wondered if the remap had replaced horses lost over time or given you an increase over the factory figures. Typical Internet forum post then.....quoting unsubstantiated (or someone else’s) power/torque figures! As with a a lot of things, the most (only) important thing is how it feels to you. That’s what I tell myself when I get on the scales or thing about my age anyway..... It's definitely faster than it was from new. Obviously I'm speculating here (again, you could argue!) but I would have thought that modern cars are built far better and to much tighter tolerances, so I doubt they 'age' like cars of yore - particularly if used regularly but not excessively and maintained thoroughly. Like mine!
Regarding acceleration times, I prefer to stick to Autocar's, as they are at least consistent (two up, full tank of fuel), so you know what you are getting. iirc they lopped 0.5 s off the diesel Panamera's 0-100 by going one-up and without a full tank. evo clearly do similar and some of the US magazines allow the car to be rolling first, which is plain daft.
It also interest me that after years of caution about 0-60/62 times from the manufacturers that they now seem to quote optimal (or sometimes massaged) figures. It's not uncommon for Autocar to fail to match quoted times (possibly because of test criteria), and Porsches of late have certainly not quite reproduced the headline 0-62. Being 2wd and torquey also has an effect I suspect, in making an optimal getaway something that is very rarely achievable. When evo did RS5 against M4 and C63, the first beat its headline 0-62 and the others fell short.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 4, 2017 15:28:33 GMT
Volvo's claim for the S/V60 T6 in standard and Polestarred forms seem slightly less than impressive but road tests at the time easily surpassed the manufacturer's figures. The US tests did seem to blutz all others, though, so perhaps they were rolling starts (ridiculous, how is that a zero to 60 time?).
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Post by franki68 on Nov 5, 2017 10:07:21 GMT
The 335d is pretty fast,A friend has 996 Carrera and it easily matches that so can see why some owners get carried away.
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