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Post by Tim on Jan 22, 2020 11:24:16 GMT
I spout up about Readly now and then. If you have a tablet it's the way to go. Most of the car mags are on there and it's £7.99 a month. From the top of my head there is Car evo Autocar Auto Express Top Gear ...but it isn't just car mags... I have just had a look and there are a ridiculous number of magazines available... I am probably old fashioned but I do prefer to have a magazine I can hold rather than scrolling through the ipad.Me too. The thought of sitting on the throne and handling an electronic device rather than a recyclable load of paper seems wrong......
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 22, 2020 11:42:33 GMT
I don't, and never have had, an iPad and hate reading things on my phone.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 12:14:49 GMT
Whereas I hate spending four or five quid on a bit of paper that I'm going to throw out put in the recycling bin after a week or so. Think of Greta!
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 22, 2020 13:02:04 GMT
Greta's fine - I don't buy the papers or magazines either. I read it all on-line, just not via an iPad.
I just never found a use for one. It seemed an unnecessary and expensive purchase given we have a MacBook at home and two iPhones each. I do have a Kindle though - perhaps best explained by the fact that I have no objection to reading a book on a digital page that's approximately the same size as a normal book page, but I don't have any remote desire to sit watching films or video footage on a small screen with headphones on. That's what the TV is for.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 22, 2020 13:21:48 GMT
Greta's fine - I don't buy the papers or magazines either. I read it all on-line, just not via an iPad. I just never found a use for one. It seemed an unnecessary and expensive purchase given we have a MacBook at home and two iPhones each. I do have a Kindle though - perhaps best explained by the fact that I have no objection to reading a book on a digital page that's approximately the same size as a normal book page, but I don't have any remote desire to sit watching films or video footage on a small screen with headphones on. That's what the TV is for. I was a bit like that - then I got the Kindle and loved it so I got an iPad. Much as I enjoy the tactile feel of a magazine, the ability to sit with an iPad on my lap and adjust text size is great, as are the built in links. When travelling I download TV programmes and films so I can watch on the plane or Airplay to a TV when I get there. I also have my work emails on there so I can look at documents on a bigger screen than a phone.
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Post by Tim on Jan 22, 2020 13:26:57 GMT
Greta's fine - I don't buy the papers or magazines either. I read it all on-line, just not via an iPad. I just never found a use for one. It seemed an unnecessary and expensive purchase given we have a MacBook at home and two iPhones each. I do have a Kindle though - perhaps best explained by the fact that I have no objection to reading a book on a digital page that's approximately the same size as a normal book page, but I don't have any remote desire to sit watching films or video footage on a small screen with headphones on. That's what the TV is for. I was a bit like that - then I got the Kindle and loved it so I got an iPad. Much as I enjoy the tactile feel of a magazine, the ability to sit with an iPad on my lap and adjust text size is great, as are the built in links. When travelling I download TV programmes and films so I can watch on the plane or Airplay to a TV when I get there. I also have my work emails on there so I can look at documents on a bigger screen than a phone. You clearly haven't bought CAR mag in the last 6 months or so, the paper quality is poor and the letters pages are full of such comments (egged on by the editorial staff!).
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 22, 2020 13:30:52 GMT
I was a bit like that - then I got the Kindle and loved it so I got an iPad. Much as I enjoy the tactile feel of a magazine, the ability to sit with an iPad on my lap and adjust text size is great, as are the built in links. When travelling I download TV programmes and films so I can watch on the plane or Airplay to a TV when I get there. I also have my work emails on there so I can look at documents on a bigger screen than a phone. You clearly haven't bought CAR mag in the last 6 months or so, the paper quality is poor and the letters pages are full of such comments (egged on by the editorial staff!). Actually that is a good point - maybe I'm more drawn to that child-like frisson of excitement when you get home and a new magazine is lying on the doormat.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 22, 2020 14:08:35 GMT
Greta's fine - I don't buy the papers or magazines either. I read it all on-line, just not via an iPad. I just never found a use for one. It seemed an unnecessary and expensive purchase given we have a MacBook at home and two iPhones each. I do have a Kindle though - perhaps best explained by the fact that I have no objection to reading a book on a digital page that's approximately the same size as a normal book page, but I don't have any remote desire to sit watching films or video footage on a small screen with headphones on. That's what the TV is for. I was a bit like that - then I got the Kindle and loved it so I got an iPad. Much as I enjoy the tactile feel of a magazine, the ability to sit with an iPad on my lap and adjust text size is great, as are the built in links. When travelling I download TV programmes and films so I can watch on the plane or Airplay to a TV when I get there. I also have my work emails on there so I can look at documents on a bigger screen than a phone. I've had a Kindle for years - I'm on my second now - and never felt the need to move on to an iPad or similar tablet. I'm sure it's because I prefer to read than watch given the choice. When travelling, I need to take my work laptop anyway, which is one of those slimline ones that folds over and becomes a tablet if necessary, though I almost never use that function. So an iPad is just another thing to carry and I always have a burning desire to carry around as little as possible. I really dislike having any form of bag with me if I can possibly help it - they are just tedious encumbrances.
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Post by Martin on Jan 22, 2020 15:18:00 GMT
What's wrong with the instruments? I certainly don't like the anti clockwise rev counter but from pictures, the rest looks OK. However I do agree with the comments that there is nothing wrong with analogue dials (which can be digital like the M5) and buttons. I certainly wouldn't buy a car that was all touch screen. The biggest problem is they’re a bit difficult to read, too much information dotted over the screen and they just look cheap. None of the benefits of a digital display either, as you get what they give you. The new climate controls, Idrive wheel and gear selector (don’t even get leather on the back) are all lower quality that the previous generation.
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Post by Tim on Jan 22, 2020 15:30:47 GMT
The one I sampled in a showroom had a particularly nasty chromed plastic knurled turnwheel for adjusting the centre vents where the F30 has a more expensive feeling rubberised black plastic one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 16:21:36 GMT
Greta's fine - I don't buy the papers or magazines either. I read it all on-line, just not via an iPad. I just never found a use for one. It seemed an unnecessary and expensive purchase given we have a MacBook at home and two iPhones each. I do have a Kindle though - perhaps best explained by the fact that I have no objection to reading a book on a digital page that's approximately the same size as a normal book page, but I don't have any remote desire to sit watching films or video footage on a small screen with headphones on. That's what the TV is for. Works on a laptop/computer, too. Just go to go.readly.com/magazines
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 22, 2020 16:32:02 GMT
Ok, thanks
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Post by johnc on Jan 22, 2020 17:21:39 GMT
What's wrong with the instruments? I certainly don't like the anti clockwise rev counter but from pictures, the rest looks OK. However I do agree with the comments that there is nothing wrong with analogue dials (which can be digital like the M5) and buttons. I certainly wouldn't buy a car that was all touch screen. The biggest problem is they’re a bit difficult to read, too much information dotted over the screen and they just look cheap. None of the benefits of a digital display either, as you get what they give you. The new climate controls, Idrive wheel and gear selector (don’t even get leather on the back) are all lower quality that the previous generation. That could be a real (first world) problem after getting used to ceramic finish controls!
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Post by Martin on Jan 22, 2020 17:59:32 GMT
The biggest problem is they’re a bit difficult to read, too much information dotted over the screen and they just look cheap. None of the benefits of a digital display either, as you get what they give you. The new climate controls, Idrive wheel and gear selector (don’t even get leather on the back) are all lower quality that the previous generation. That could be a real (first world) problem after getting used to ceramic finish controls! Yes, it would be two steps back for you!
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 23, 2020 11:58:42 GMT
Greta's fine - I don't buy the papers or magazines either. I read it all on-line, just not via an iPad. I just never found a use for one. It seemed an unnecessary and expensive purchase given we have a MacBook at home and two iPhones each. I do have a Kindle though - perhaps best explained by the fact that I have no objection to reading a book on a digital page that's approximately the same size as a normal book page, but I don't have any remote desire to sit watching films or video footage on a small screen with headphones on. That's what the TV is for. Works on a laptop/computer, too. Just go to go.readly.com/magazinesRight, having meant to download and try the Readly app for ages you prompted me to actually try it on my iPad yesterday. I have to say it's brilliant, gives a completely new lease of life to an iPad - in fact I go as far to say it's what the iPad was intended for. The choice is amazing and the ability to jump from mag to mag, issue to issue, enlarge photos and text, superb. OK I'm sold.
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Post by Sav on Jan 24, 2020 23:58:22 GMT
I think the current situation with BMW is partly their fault, partly not their fault. People complained about the Bangle BMW’s, but they looked miles better than the current 3, 7 with the absurd grille, X5 and X7. It’s one thing to introduce a new styling direction; it’s another to produce cars with such dreadful details. The 8 looks rather good in the flesh, especially the 8 CG. But I’m not sure where it sits, the segment isn’t exactly brimming with competitors. It can’t be that lucrative – Merc are not replacing the current S-Class Coupe. And just like the slow-selling 6-Series, big discounts are being offered already.
With mainstream stuff, the peak of the ICE car has passed. GPF’s and the ever greater legislative safety requirements are making cars sound worse and making them heavier. We now have a 3-Series Tourer with a straight six weighing almost two tonnes. Which isn’t great for the environment, but that seems to be forgotten with the proliferation of high-riding cars generally, whatever the powertrain. Now, the ICE car is seen as a planet-polluting inconvenience, and it will only get worse.
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Post by rodge on Jan 25, 2020 2:42:44 GMT
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Post by johnc on Jan 25, 2020 6:22:34 GMT
Now, the ICE car is seen as a planet-polluting inconvenience, and it will only get worse. And in 10 years time there will be a rising resistance to battery powered cars due to all the earth's rare metals etc being used up in battery packs and the rising problem of recycling dead battery powered cars and their lifetime energy cost. What we need is a bit of "Beam me up Scotty" technology.
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Post by johnc on Jan 25, 2020 6:29:47 GMT
What do you do with a car like that? It only has a $200K+ value because it isn't used so its only purpose would be to put it in a museum. Otherwise much better to buy a new GT4 Speedster and enjoy it.
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Post by Sav on Jan 25, 2020 12:31:58 GMT
What do you do with a car like that? It only has a $200K+ value because it isn't used so its only purpose would be to put it in a museum. Otherwise much better to buy a new GT4 Speedster and enjoy it. It’s a problem with legislators in Europe, forcing something on consumers that either the state or the EU finds acceptable. Diesel was championed for years, so manufacturers and consumer’s alike adopted diesel. Then diesel was found to be the evil of all sins, so now we need battery vehicles. Which ignores the negative environmental aspects of EV’s. The harsh reality is that without tax breaks and government discounts, the EV market would be even smaller than it is. The government knows that fleet sales are bigger than private sales, so if they can incentivise the former, slowly EV’s will become more commonplace on our roads. I find the Japanese approach interesting. They might be building EV’s, but their caution and commitment to a powertrain mix might see them with an advantage in the future. Toyota said a few weeks ago that they will produce EV’s for Europe and selected parts of China, implying that elsewhere the market is limiting. But even in China, EV sales have slowed, despite the state discounts which are available. It won't be an industry that gets much sympathy, but at present the manufacturers are supposed to be selling products that customers don't really want. Europe's auto industry is something incredibly valuable, but right now, its being treated as part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 16:26:52 GMT
Right, having meant to download and try the Readly app for ages you prompted me to actually try it on my iPad yesterday. I have to say it's brilliant, gives a completely new lease of life to an iPad - in fact I go as far to say it's what the iPad was intended for. The choice is amazing and the ability to jump from mag to mag, issue to issue, enlarge photos and text, superb. OK I'm sold. Dunno if they still do it but I liked the one month free trial period because you didn't have to give them any payment details until after it had ended. Much better than the upfront version where they hope you forget and make the first payment accidentally.
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Post by Tim on Jan 27, 2020 16:56:56 GMT
I find the Japanese approach interesting. They might be building EV’s, but their caution and commitment to a powertrain mix might see them with an advantage in the future. Toyota said a few weeks ago that they will produce EV’s for Europe and selected parts of China, implying that elsewhere the market is limiting. But even in China, EV sales have slowed, despite the state discounts which are available. It won't be an industry that gets much sympathy, but at present the manufacturers are supposed to be selling products that customers don't really want. Europe's auto industry is something incredibly valuable, but right now, its being treated as part of the problem rather than part of the solution. I've had the impression that the Japanese are far more practical and realistic about this than the Western legislators. We're pushing for EVs while conveniently ignoring the extra pollution cost of extracting the raw materials (and their relative scarcity) and the fact that in a lot of places the electric is generated using fossil fuels - although I accept progress is being made in that area. Meanwhile the Japanese appear to offer a range of alternatives, including hydrogen, that our manufacturers would probably like to look at but won't because their hand is forced by politicians who, in general, seem out of touch and way more likely to legislate based purely on image and re-election than anything real.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 20:01:18 GMT
There was an article on the local news the other day saying how fuel cell cars are becoming popular in Swindon.
Well, they would do, seeing as that is the only place from there to Lands End where you can fill one up!
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 29, 2020 20:10:36 GMT
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Post by PG on Jan 29, 2020 21:16:44 GMT
Leaving aside the bonkers pricing on the first car, I really don't like the wheels on those M4's. They are probably expensive BMW options, but they look like the sort of after-market ones people buy to barry their beemer.
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Post by Martin on Jan 29, 2020 21:36:36 GMT
Leaving aside the bonkers pricing on the first car, I really don't like the wheels on those M4's. They are probably expensive BMW options, but they look like the sort of after-market ones people buy to barry their beemer. They’re the standard competition pack wheels.
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Post by Martin on Jan 29, 2020 21:52:07 GMT
It had adaptive suspension and had to be left in comfort, which apparently isn’t comfortable as the firmer settings are way too hard. Really surprising after the positive reviews the standard car has had. And considering joe Achilles has driven the saloon and estate and said how quiet and comfortable it is in comfort mode. I love evo , but it isn’t what it used to be , and take some Of their reviews with a pinch of salt these days , especially if written by people like Jordan katsiantis or whatever his name is Not an M340i, but I’ve just driven 170 miles in a 330i M Sport on 19” wheels with adaptive suspension. It’s not comfortable and it’s not particularly quiet. I’m not comparing it with mine, that wouldn’t be fair, I’m comparing it to the Golf. The Golf has a better ride in comfort, normal is similar to BMW comfort and Race is usable, whereas Sport in the BMW is awful. The BMW only has the two settings for the suspension and the seats don’t help the feeling of comfort. Road noise and general refinement is about the same as the Golf (surprisingly) and I really don’t like the variable sport steering, it feels dead at straight ahead and as soon as you have about 1/8th of a turn of lock on it’s too sharp and feels at odds with the rest of the car. Further thoughts to follow.....
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 29, 2020 22:14:00 GMT
The new-shape 330i?
My 440i has many virtues but quiet levels of road noise is not one of them
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Post by Martin on Jan 29, 2020 22:36:08 GMT
The new-shape 330i? My 440i has many virtues but quiet levels of road noise is not one of them Yes, it’s the new shape. You’d find less virtues in a new shape, the case for buying a 5 over a 3 is stronger than ever. On a positive, it’s economical enough to get people out of their 4 pot diesels. It did 50mpg according to the OBC on a trip which included a lot of traffic getting across Chester then an 80 lepton cruise down the motorway.
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