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Post by johnc on Jan 25, 2018 10:20:24 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42815603
So how will this work then? Sky TV over the internet suggests you need a decent internet speed.
We used to have normal BT Broadband but it was unbelievably useless, slow and unreliable. We managed to get BT Infinity which was required so we could work from home but even so, if there are more than 3 devices connected to the wi-fi, it starts to have a strop. How exactly is broadband going to be able to support someone downstairs watching football, wife upstairs watching Coronation Street and 3 teenagers using multiple devices and gaming online?
Sky broadband uses BT lines so the only way to improve speed would be to run fibre from the local boxes to the individual houses, instead of the copper used currently. Can't see that being done in 2 years. |
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Post by michael on Jan 25, 2018 10:34:56 GMT
We're on rural broadband which is an over-the-air transmission system. It's £25 a month and we run the house phone through it, can both be streaming to devices and it's works perfectly well for conference calls. We had the problem that the BT line could barely deliver 1mb and they demonstrated no interest in upgrading the line so we found an alternative.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 25, 2018 11:09:38 GMT
In London, having fibre-optic lines in your street is fairly commonplace, but in our old flat I remember the telecoms engineer pointing out when I complained about the speed that it was no use having fibre optic in your street or connected to your house if then the wiring in your actual property is ancient. So when we moved to our current house four years ago, I made sure that the renovations included stripping out all the telephone wiring and replacing it with up-to-date hi-speed cables and sockets.
Just a thought.
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Post by LandieMark on Jan 25, 2018 14:30:47 GMT
We are still on copper wire, but manage to download at 80Mbps and upload at 20Mbps. That is more than good enough to stream multiple sources. It helps that the village has its own telephone exchange.
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Post by humphreythepug on Jan 25, 2018 20:30:56 GMT
Virgin don't have an issue.
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Post by Alex on Jan 25, 2018 20:37:20 GMT
Sky already do this with Now TV. Being reliant on streaming services only doesn’t appear to be causing Netflix any problems.
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Post by johnc on Jan 26, 2018 8:28:17 GMT
Virgin don't have an issue. But virgin is fibre all the way to the house. BT Infinity, on which Sky depends, is fibre to the local box and then the old copper wire to the house. Depending on how far the house is from the box, the effectiveness of fibre can easily be halved through the use of copper wire.
Given the number of people I know who have poor broadband ant home (4G on their phones is miles faster) Sky are either going to have to invest massively to get fibre into every home and business or a lot of customers are going to be disappointed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 10:09:38 GMT
Our Virgin is as you describe for BT Infinity. Speed can be highly variable, though we should now be 'up to' 200Mb at the wall. I have seen speeds near that, but also noticeably lower.
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Post by Tim on Jan 26, 2018 11:53:19 GMT
Due to living in the sticks we can't get Virgin.
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Post by humphreythepug on Jan 26, 2018 12:07:38 GMT
Virgin don't have an issue. But virgin is fibre all the way to the house. BT Infinity, on which Sky depends, is fibre to the local box and then the old copper wire to the house. Depending on how far the house is from the box, the effectiveness of fibre can easily be halved through the use of copper wire.
Given the number of people I know who have poor broadband ant home (4G on their phones is miles faster) Sky are either going to have to invest massively to get fibre into every home and business or a lot of customers are going to be disappointed.
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Post by Martin on Jan 26, 2018 12:23:37 GMT
I’ve just checked and Superfast Broadband is now less than 4 months away. We get 4-5 Mbps at the moment which is just enough to stream HD, but gets really slow when we have the kids and all their devices connected. It’s going to be expensive, as a 4K TV will be needed when we’re able to stream it....the one I want is still £3,800.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 12:53:11 GMT
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Post by Big Blue on Jan 26, 2018 13:30:55 GMT
Due to living in the sticks we can't get Virgin. Local squire deflowers them all? |
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Post by johnc on Jan 26, 2018 15:37:41 GMT
Due to living in the sticks we can't get Virgin. Local squire deflowers them all? What a great job! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 20:21:34 GMT
Apparently Virgin require customers to have a Netflicks subscription. I cannot see how that is even legal.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 26, 2018 20:37:52 GMT
Apparently Virgin require customers to have a Netflicks subscription. I cannot see how that is even legal. They don’t. Sad to see the old dish go, you knew you’d joined the ranks of the nouveau riche when you got your first one. |
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Post by humphreythepug on Jan 26, 2018 22:29:49 GMT
Apparently Virgin require customers to have a Netflicks subscription. I cannot see how that is even legal. Where did you hear that? It's not true by the way. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 12:02:53 GMT
The last time I looked into getting the service, and they did at least then, require a net flicks subscription.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 27, 2018 12:10:43 GMT
The last time I looked into getting the service, and they did at least then, require a net flicks subscription. I’ve been a Virgin customers for over 12 years. That’s never been the case. They do offer Netflix through their platform but you have to sign up with Netflix as an additional service if you want it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 18:01:39 GMT
What can I say, I was a customer at Virgin, after moving I looked at the service again and the requirement was there. Not imagined or made up.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 27, 2018 19:10:02 GMT
What can I say, I was a customer at Virgin, after moving I looked at the service again and the requirement was there. Not imagined or made up. Someone has. www.broadbandchoices.co.uk/news/2013/09/netflix-virgin-media-100913Right from the start Netflix has been a separate service and no billing has ever been through Virgin, you have to contract direct with Netflix. Since Virgin has never done the billing how on earth could they enforce it? You’d have to agree to put the phone down and then ring Netflix separately and set up another contract. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 20:57:43 GMT
I did not say payment was through Virgin, I don't know. Just that at the time I looked at it there was a requirement to have a netflicks account.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 28, 2018 8:29:58 GMT
I did not say payment was through Virgin, I don't know. Just that at the time I looked at it there was a requirement to have a netflicks account. Ah, I on know what's happened now and see the misunderstanding. The Virgin TiVo box makes viewing suggestions based on your preferences and viewing habits. If you have a Netflix account set up it will also dip into this to suggest films and programmes from that platform. Quite clever really but there is no requirement to take advantage of it by subscribing to Netflix, you can just let it work with your Virgin service. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 13:42:48 GMT
Can I just say this and end it? When I looked to take up the Virgin service in my new location I looked it up online and there was a requirement for a netflicks account. I was not trying to access it via any kind of of box, Tivo or otherwise.
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Post by Alex on Jan 28, 2018 14:11:19 GMT
Apparently Virgin require customers to have a Netflicks subscription. I cannot see how that is even legal. They don’t. Sad to see the old dish go, you knew you’d joined the ranks of the nouveau riche when you got your first one. Tbh on a new estate like I live on, it’s all the social housing units where the satellite dishes sprung up after we all moved in. Not having one is a good way of showing we’re not one of the poor people. |
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Post by ChrisM on Jan 28, 2018 20:43:51 GMT
Can I just say that Virginmedia is perhaps the most bungling, inept, incompetent band of lying cowboys I have ever had the mispleasure to do business with. After 18 years as a phone customer I severed all links with them last autumn after a string of failed promises and inability to change "ownership" of accounts between family members. The broadband side is almost as bad,taking over a year to sort out my installation and even now, it's not what was agreed in the site survey before I went ahead with installation. If any other provider could give me significantly over 2MB on broadband, I'd have no hesitation in moving away from Virginmedia totally.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 28, 2018 21:15:52 GMT
Can I just say that Virginmedia is perhaps the most bungling, inept, incompetent band of lying cowboys I have ever had the mispleasure to do business with. After 18 years as a phone customer I severed all links with them last autumn after a string of failed promises and inability to change "ownership" of accounts between family members. The broadband side is almost as bad,taking over a year to sort out my installation and even now, it's not what was agreed in the site survey before I went ahead with installation. If any other provider could give me significantly over 2MB on broadband, I'd have no hesitation in moving away from Virginmedia totally. Changing ownership of what are, in effect, credit accounts is always problematical. It’s like you having a Barclaycard and giving your daughters cards as well to charge to your account, then subsequently asking for each to be made responsible for their own bills. Barclaycard have no agreement with them and would need to run new credit checks. I can see the whole thing turning into a nightmare. |
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Post by ChrisM on Jan 28, 2018 21:26:09 GMT
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They did the credit checks and said they were OK and would e-mail out new contracts within 4 hours to be e-signed and returned. 2 weeks later despite frequent phone calls asking what was going on, we all walked away from them . Some sort of "systems issue" that was stopping the e-mails from going out, but nobody knew why and nobody could sort it out. Absolutely incompetent and staff not possessing adequate technical knowledge, maybe ..... Whatever, Three welcomed all 3 of us with open arms. Over 2 years ago I had enquired with Virginmedia about change of ownership and was assured that it was a very simple process that took minutes to sort out. Wrong !
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Post by franki68 on Jan 29, 2018 11:06:33 GMT
Can I just say that Virginmedia is perhaps the most bungling, inept, incompetent band of lying cowboys I have ever had the mispleasure to do business with. After 18 years as a phone customer I severed all links with them last autumn after a string of failed promises and inability to change "ownership" of accounts between family members. The broadband side is almost as bad,taking over a year to sort out my installation and even now, it's not what was agreed in the site survey before I went ahead with installation. If any other provider could give me significantly over 2MB on broadband, I'd have no hesitation in moving away from Virginmedia totally. Virgin are poor but BT are worse . Both incredibly unreliable ,I’m now with Gigaclear running a 1gb download speed and it’s failed once in 12 months ,BT failed weekly and virgin in my old home went down about once a month. |
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