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Post by Tim on May 17, 2018 12:43:55 GMT
The latest EVO has a triple test of Alpine A110, Audi TT RS and some variant of the Porsche Boxster.
Obviously the latter wins the test (you wouldn't expect anything else, would you?) but only narrowly.
Possibly this is helped by the extras totalling £22.5k and including ceramic brakes, adaptive suspension and a fancy diff.
List price £51k, price as tested £74k!
The TT looks sparse with only £11k of extras and apparently the Alpine had nothing at all.
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Post by johnc on May 17, 2018 13:51:01 GMT
The latest EVO has a triple test of Alpine A110, Audi TT RS and some variant of the Porsche Boxster. Obviously the latter wins the test (you wouldn't expect anything else, would you?) but only narrowly. Possibly this is helped by the extras totalling £22.5k and including ceramic brakes, adaptive suspension and a fancy diff. List price £51k, price as tested £74k! The TT looks sparse with only £11k of extras and apparently the Alpine had nothing at all. It's hardly a fair test when there is such a price difference in the cars and some of those things like fancy seats, diff and adaptive suspension can have a marked impact on the perception of the driver/tester. However if you are scraping every penny together to buy a £50K car, you won't be getting the same vehicle and may well have preferred another of the cars at the baseline price.
I certainly price in all the extra bits I want on a car (the list gets much longer as you get older unfortunately) and do my comparisons at the appropriate spec level. No point setting my heart on something that is going to be £15K more expensive than I can afford when it has all the extras added in.
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Post by Martin on May 17, 2018 20:20:54 GMT
It’s a difficult one. At least the mag highlight it and some try and recommend which are the options to have, but when it’s expensive chassis options it can make a big difference to the way a car drives.
I do the same as John, always cost in the options I want and do a proper like for like comparison.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 23:44:25 GMT
I've mentioned the Readly app before and evo is now on it.
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Post by Tim on May 23, 2018 12:39:05 GMT
The thing is a lot of people will probably just look at the scores and skip past all the cost stuff.
If the Cayman squeaked a win with all those extras then presumably a boggo Cayman would've been a distant second?
I know it doesn't really matter in the real world but......
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Post by Martin on May 23, 2018 12:48:17 GMT
I’ve read the article and can see it’s got some expensive options (ceramics etc) but can’t figure out how it’s got to over £20k worth of options. They suggest a more basic spec might even be better to drive.
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Post by Tim on May 23, 2018 13:19:39 GMT
I assumed the trick diff would be 2 or 3k alone, upgrade wheels are usually extortionate (as if there's no effective trade in value on the standard ones), didn't it have fancy suspension too?
I think I got to about £15k on guesstimates for the chassis/brakes stuff.
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Post by franki68 on May 23, 2018 13:21:57 GMT
I’ve read the article and can see it’s got some expensive options (ceramics etc) but can’t figure out how it’s got to over £20k worth of options. They suggest a more basic spec might even be better to drive. The wife’s last boxster had nearly 20k of options on it and that didn’t have ceramics . |
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Post by PetrolEd on May 23, 2018 14:43:53 GMT
Ceramics make little difference to me. I've never felt any Porsche has struggled in the braking department or corrupted the steering due to the weight.
Either way I'm surprised a new Boxster has beaten an A110 as its meant to be an absolute revolution but the Porsche is probably a lot more usable without compromising dynamically.
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Post by Tim on May 23, 2018 15:01:43 GMT
I've never driven a car with ceramics but the only cars I've had brake issues with are:-
Montego 1.6, non-vented front discs wilted after a high speed backroad blast.
Fiat Coupe, cheapish standard replacement pads wilted as above, sorted by fitting some Pagids
BMW M5, they're notoriously shite for brakes but they do last well on a backroad, precautionary change to EBC Redstuff.
I've never driven a car on a trackday either so generally a decent set of pads on standard discs are perfectly fine, I wouldn't pay £000s for some ceramics that I'd never get the benefit of.
Sadly it seems that all cars that have them on the option list have that box ticked when they are speccing a press car.
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Post by PetrolEd on May 24, 2018 10:16:13 GMT
Main trouble with Ceramics are the cost to change.
Most people therefore who do a number of trackdays specifically avoid ceramics unless they have a bottomless pit of money in which to rummage through to pay 20k for new brakes all round after a number of goes on track. They also as I understand it need some heat to build up to make them more effective than steels on the road
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Post by Tim on May 24, 2018 11:18:28 GMT
CAR magazine are at it with the pickup test in their latest issue.
Ford Ranger poverty spec with smallest available engine at £31k
Fiat Fullback at £34k
VW Amarok, top of the range V6 model at £42k
Merc rebadged Nissan Navara at £41k plus £6k of extras at £47k.
Surprisingly VW wins rather than Merc, perhaps they just can't recommend such a hodeous monstrosity depsite it having the most 'premium' of German badges?
This is a double whammy of incomparable prices together with picking variants at opposite ends of each range, you wouldn't compare a BMW 320D with C63 AMG for example.
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Post by johnc on May 25, 2018 8:52:43 GMT
CAR magazine are at it with the pickup test in their latest issue. Ford Ranger poverty spec with smallest available engine at £31k Fiat Fullback at £34k VW Amarok, top of the range V6 model at £42k Merc rebadged Nissan Navara at £41k plus £6k of extras at £47k. Surprisingly VW wins rather than Merc, perhaps they just can't recommend such a hodeous monstrosity depsite it having the most 'premium' of German badges? This is a double whammy of incomparable prices together with picking variants at opposite ends of each range, you wouldn't compare a BMW 320D with C63 AMG for example. I have a client who has just bought the full fat top spec Ranger and he reckons it is a good bit better than his old Amorak although more thirsty! His wife doesn't mind being seen in it because she thinks it is quite "cool" but the Amorak she considered an aesthetic abomination. |
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Post by Tim on May 25, 2018 10:03:05 GMT
CAR magazine are at it with the pickup test in their latest issue. Ford Ranger poverty spec with smallest available engine at £31k Fiat Fullback at £34k VW Amarok, top of the range V6 model at £42k Merc rebadged Nissan Navara at £41k plus £6k of extras at £47k. Surprisingly VW wins rather than Merc, perhaps they just can't recommend such a hodeous monstrosity depsite it having the most 'premium' of German badges? This is a double whammy of incomparable prices together with picking variants at opposite ends of each range, you wouldn't compare a BMW 320D with C63 AMG for example. I have a client who has just bought the full fat top spec Ranger and he reckons it is a good bit better than his old Amorak although more thirsty! His wife doesn't mind being seen in it because she thinks it is quite "cool" but the Amorak she considered an aesthetic abomination.
Mrs Tim doesn't mind the Ranger (for its type), not least because despite being only 5 feet tall she can get a comfortable driving position and see all the corners.
However, apparently Rangers have a habit of setting themselves on fire, something to do with leaves in the intake or something (this according to my b-i-l who is assuredly NOT a Ford man!).
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Post by cbeaks1 on May 25, 2018 11:01:08 GMT
Nothing I have ever heard of and have just googled it - not convinced
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Post by Tim on May 25, 2018 12:15:22 GMT
Nothing I have ever heard of and have just googled it - not convinced My B-I-L has got a 2010 X5 40d and according to him there is absolutely no better car that has ever existed. Perfect for carrying, for example, a full drumkit, ideal for a backroad blast, faster than pretty much anything on the road, economical and wonderful in the snow. Oh, and it has that most important of all things motoring - a BMW badge 
He also has a habit of doing his research solely on one-make car forums and no matter how many times I mention that people rarely go on those when their car is running fine, he gives the impression that he only looks out the negative info and relays that in a manner that suggests 100% of whatever model it is will suffer them.
Apart from BMWs, of course!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 9:16:37 GMT
991.2 GT2RS. Tested in evo a few months ago, price of £207k. So why is Romans ('Passionate about Performance') trying to flog one in this month's evo for £535k? Passionate about Profit, more like...
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Post by Alex on Jun 5, 2018 7:04:00 GMT
991.2 GT2RS. Tested in evo a few months ago, price of £207k. So why is Romans ('Passionate about Performance') trying to flog one in this month's evo for £535k? Passionate about Profit, more like... They might ask you to find another for sale elsewhere if you don’t like the price! According to AT of the 6 they have advertised the cheapest is currently £485k, so clearly there’s money to be made on them. |
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Post by Tim on Jun 5, 2018 8:16:52 GMT
That's just insane.
How can they go from being a relatively normally depreciating car 10 years ago to this madness?
Especially since, I think, Porsche actually make more of them now than they used to.
It's just hype that'll ensure they're an incredibly rare sight on the road.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 8:21:25 GMT
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Post by franki68 on Jun 5, 2018 11:40:54 GMT
The gt2rs are incredibly rare ,I’m not sure of number but I think there will only be 2 maximum per OPC. More ridiculous to me is gt3 touring prices are up To 80k more than a winged gt3,which are at a 50k premium as it is . 250k for a touring  ?? I think a lot of this premium stuff is not selling though and we should start to See more realistic marketplace emerge over the next year or two. |
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Post by Alex on Jun 7, 2018 15:25:36 GMT
The gt2rs are incredibly rare ,I’m not sure of number but I think there will only be 2 maximum per OPC. More ridiculous to me is gt3 touring prices are up To 80k more than a winged gt3,which are at a 50k premium as it is . 250k for a touring ?? I think a lot of this premium stuff is not selling though and we should start to See more realistic marketplace emerge over the next year or two. Well that’s an interesting point, one does wonder what people are actually paying and if the cars advertised at such ludicrous prices will still be sat on the forecourt in 6-12months time waiting for someone daft enough to buy at the top of the market. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 2:28:04 GMT
Turned out that this developer does another weather app...  |
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Post by ChrisM on Jun 8, 2018 7:14:41 GMT
What's the difference between a "pro" weather app, and the presumed "amateur" version?
Computers versus a pine cone on an outdoor window sill??
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Post by Boxer6 on Jun 8, 2018 9:24:43 GMT
What's the difference between a "pro" weather app, and the presumed "amateur" version? Computers versus a pine cone on an outdoor window sill?? Given how accurate any of the weather-guesers are much of the time, the pine cone is probably the better option! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 11:19:09 GMT
What's the difference between a "pro" weather app, and the presumed "amateur" version? Computers versus a pine cone on an outdoor window sill?? About 39 quid? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 20:01:21 GMT
Just been looking at 4K Blu-ray fillums on HMV. Mission Impossible 1-5 boxset is £69.99, Mission Impossible 1-6 boxset is £119.99, so fifty quid for the extra film.
If you buy any other item however, the former gets reduced to half price, so you buy that and MI-6 (£24.99) for £59.98 and all you miss out on is the box.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 25, 2018 7:21:30 GMT
I quite enjoyed most of the Mission Impossible stuff but I wouldn't pay £70 even for all 6. They're repeated all the time on TV anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2018 18:47:36 GMT
These are UHD discs which cost a bomb. I've seen the 1-5 boxset on DVD in the supermarket for a tenner...
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