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Post by clunes on Oct 2, 2023 16:23:04 GMT
These have come on the radar. I know they don’t meet the ‘need 4 seats’ requirement but that may have shifted and the (extremely) occasional rear seats would be useful for other practicality purposes and possibly my (usefully tiny) daughter on short journeys!
Driving in the horrible weather again today made me think more about AWD / all weather performance again and these certainly appeal to the mildly more childish side of my brain!
Not cheap by any stretch but I guess they should hold reasonable value moving forward (in line with general market falls of course) given they are a little more exclusive.
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Post by PetrolEd on Oct 2, 2023 17:39:18 GMT
I wouldn't kick a Cayman out of bed for one but yes they do hold a certain appeal and are a decent car by all accounts.
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Post by clunes on Oct 2, 2023 17:55:02 GMT
I wouldn't kick a Cayman out of bed for one but yes they do hold a certain appeal and are a decent car by all accounts. I think I agree w.r.t. a nice Cayman but the added practicality of the TT means it might be workable 99% of the time whereas a strict 2 seater would probably be a compromise too far at this stage. 90+% of my driving is alone or with 1 person (daily school run), the other 10% is for picking up my 2 kids/dropping them back to their mums and even when I have them at the weekends I only have them both in the car occasionally. We do have the Q3 and we could swap over to make things work when needed - and the TT would also be small enough not to intimidate my partner (although the performance might!) Just more musing - most of the time I think I should just sort out the 125i (driveline clunk/slop still needs sorting, needs 4x new tyres, some general TLC and maybe a remap) and live with it for another year but sometimes I drive it and the issues/noises it has/makes just make me want to say 'sod it' and get rid!
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Post by bryan on Oct 2, 2023 18:51:21 GMT
I had a TT (not RS) and it was surprisingly practical, 4 up on short trips was perfectly possible (if not comfortable) for larger rear seat passengers.
The boot was surprisingly large too
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Post by theotherct on Oct 3, 2023 15:49:39 GMT
I have tested the latest version but with a couple of caveats. It was a fairly short drive and in the heatwave last summer so not necessarily playing to it's main strength - traction.
It is a fantastic engine, a really nice place to sit and the acceleration is amazing but I worried that might not be enough in the long term. It has a hot hatch type of driving experience, which is something that I didn't think made it great value for the money. It didn't help that cars then were in the mid 30s which was at the very top of my budget and M4s were cheaper. Plus once you get to that level there are exciting options that are more 'exotic' even if they are older Porsches, Astons, R8 etc.
But people who have them really seem to love them and the original TT RS seems to have reached a plateau. I wanted something a little newer than the original.
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Post by clunes on Oct 3, 2023 16:35:10 GMT
I have tested the latest version but with a couple of caveats. It was a fairly short drive and in the heatwave last summer so not necessarily playing to it's main strength - traction. It is a fantastic engine, a really nice place to sit and the acceleration is amazing but I worried that might not be enough in the long term. It has a hot hatch type of driving experience, which is something that I didn't think made it great value for the money. It didn't help that cars then were in the mid 30s which was at the very top of my budget and M4s were cheaper. Plus once you get to that level there are exciting options that are more 'exotic' even if they are older Porsches, Astons, R8 etc. But people who have them really seem to love them and the original TT RS seems to have reached a plateau. I wanted something a little newer than the original. Great feedback - an much appreciate your insights. I'm constantly bouncing between the 'get a car that does everything well' and 'get something a bit different / fun' The prices are very strong but that seems to be the market for these - example of one very close to me: www.fontain.co.uk/vehicle/used-audi-tt-rs-tfsi-for-sale-in-iver-buckinghamshire-u13104/ It's got a ton of options (about 10k worth so it retailed at over 60k). It's a lot - but they clearly hold their value well. The alternative at the same price but a little newer is something like this which ticks an awful lot of boxes: www.sytner.co.uk/vehicle-details/bc8da797-d55b-46e4-9fa2-6cfabc0e369eIt was originally up at £38,500 so prices have come down - I like the exterior and interior colour and the spec is decent (tech, comfort, visibilty packs, laser lights, HK audio, acoustic glass, HUD etc). Not a great deal more FG I could really want and the price seems good compared to similar models. The mileage is over average but not that high and I don't do a great deal of miles so it would even out over time. I did contact them (BMW) and was sent a video - looks pretty spotless, tyres have 5mm all round, 12 month warranty etc). It's not 'exciting' but it does appeal
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Post by Andy C on Oct 3, 2023 16:46:31 GMT
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Post by Martin on Oct 3, 2023 16:59:53 GMT
The TTRS has held its value pretty well, £36k feels like an awful lot of money for a 6 year old / 60,000 miles example. I'm using ALFs recent purchase as a benchmark.
The M340i Estate is nice, but if you don't need the space then Andy's suggestion is a good one. I'd really want to figure out a way to make a Cayman work.
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Post by clunes on Oct 3, 2023 17:08:04 GMT
Have been looking at these a lot. Right now they are almost all the wrong side of 40k and I can't help but feel that prices will soften a fair bit over the next 12 months. I could definitely make one work from a usability perspective though - that's for sure.
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Post by clunes on Oct 3, 2023 17:14:01 GMT
The TTRS has held its value pretty well, £36k feels like an awful lot of money for a 6 year old / 60,000 miles example. I'm using ALFs recent purchase as a benchmark. The M340i Estate is nice, but if you don't need the space then Andy's suggestion is a good one. I'd really want to figure out a way to make a Cayman work. As mentioned in reply to Andy - the M240i is a desirable option but I feel they need to drop a little more for me to be comfortable with the cost - oh - and I totally agree w.r.t. the TT RS value in comparison to the Alfa QF recently purchased by ALF - I think that was a very good deal A Cayman would be lovely - they are pricey but then again they hold their value so well so you get it back at the other end - I'm just not sure we could make it work. I don't think my partner would ever feel comfortable driving it which would limit the options to switch over when needed etc. Right now the M340i is pretty close to the top of the list. I managed to find a 2020 brochure so have a decent idea of the spec it has - but typically (as is the case with most manufacturers) the packs/options/costs change year to year so nailing things down as to what constitutes 'good' value in the second hand market is always more work than it should be
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Post by Martin on Oct 3, 2023 17:20:56 GMT
The TTRS has held its value pretty well, £36k feels like an awful lot of money for a 6 year old / 60,000 miles example. I'm using ALFs recent purchase as a benchmark. The M340i Estate is nice, but if you don't need the space then Andy's suggestion is a good one. I'd really want to figure out a way to make a Cayman work. As mentioned in reply to Andy - the M240i is a desirable option but I feel they need to drop a little more for me to be comfortable with the cost - oh - and I totally agree w.r.t. the TT RS value in comparison to the Alfa QF recently purchased by ALF - I think that was a very good deal A Cayman would be lovely - they are pricey but then again they hold their value so well so you get it back at the other end - I'm just not sure we could make it work. I don't think my partner would ever feel comfortable driving it which would limit the options to switch over when needed etc.Right now the M340i is pretty close to the top of the list. I managed to find a 2020 brochure so have a decent idea of the spec it has - but typically (as is the case with most manufacturers) the packs/options/costs change year to year so nailing things down as to what constitutes 'good' value in the second hand market is always more work than it should be Lindsay felt that way right up until she went drove the Boxster, it took some encouragement to get her to go and look at it, by the time she was back it was game over! She still misses it 5 years after we sold it. Which is great, because it means getting a Boxster or 911 at some point will be encouraged.
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Post by clunes on Oct 3, 2023 17:45:40 GMT
As mentioned in reply to Andy - the M240i is a desirable option but I feel they need to drop a little more for me to be comfortable with the cost - oh - and I totally agree w.r.t. the TT RS value in comparison to the Alfa QF recently purchased by ALF - I think that was a very good deal A Cayman would be lovely - they are pricey but then again they hold their value so well so you get it back at the other end - I'm just not sure we could make it work. I don't think my partner would ever feel comfortable driving it which would limit the options to switch over when needed etc.Right now the M340i is pretty close to the top of the list. I managed to find a 2020 brochure so have a decent idea of the spec it has - but typically (as is the case with most manufacturers) the packs/options/costs change year to year so nailing things down as to what constitutes 'good' value in the second hand market is always more work than it should be Lindsay felt that way right up until she went drove the Boxster, it took some encouragement to get her to go and look at it, by the time she was back it was game over! She still misses it 5 years after we sold it. Which is great, because it means getting a Boxster or 911 at some point will be encouraged. I shall use you both as a case study
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Post by Andy C on Oct 3, 2023 20:12:32 GMT
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Post by PetrolEd on Oct 4, 2023 8:55:56 GMT
Have been looking at these a lot. Right now they are almost all the wrong side of 40k and I can't help but feel that prices will soften a fair bit over the next 12 months. I could definitely make one work from a usability perspective though - that's for sure. Agree with that. At 30K its a great buy at 40plus its strong money. Car values are only going one way at the moment.
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Post by clunes on Oct 4, 2023 9:18:25 GMT
Have been looking at these a lot. Right now they are almost all the wrong side of 40k and I can't help but feel that prices will soften a fair bit over the next 12 months. I could definitely make one work from a usability perspective though - that's for sure. Agree with that. At 30K its a great buy at 40plus its strong money. Car values are only going one way at the moment. Indeed. I find it hard to really see what’s good value vs not. The M340i I linked to is now at £36k which seems reasonable looking at others in the market given its spec etc. But it’s still a lot and my old brain hasn’t adjusted to the more recent market. An example - taking the M340i in general the list price climbed about 10k between 2020 when they came out and the 2023 facelift - from a touch over £50k to over £60k in under 4 years which inevitably skews the second hand market as well!!
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Post by johnc on Oct 4, 2023 13:32:24 GMT
One thing to watch about the TT is the offset driving position. I know a couple of people who had to get rid of them because of back/hip pain
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Post by clunes on Oct 4, 2023 15:08:00 GMT
One thing to watch about the TT is the offset driving position. I know a couple of people who had to get rid of them because of back/hip pain Thanks John, May well have ruled it out on a few counts but will bear in mind - I am NOT a fan of offset and back/hip pain has been an issue on occasion in cars (like my partners Q3 which I don't find comfortable on longer journeys) To be honest, I keep coming back to the BMW as a 'do it all' option - as boring as that might sound
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Post by PG on Oct 4, 2023 18:23:26 GMT
You're living the mental debate of the petrol-head who does not have an unlimited budget. I have a budget of x (or mentally I'm not prepared to spend more than x). Do I go for the newest "quite interesting" car that I can find and buy with my head. Or do I bet the farm and go for broke on something older and definitely a heart decision. I've done both and to be honest I'm not sure which is better!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2023 12:58:11 GMT
Sometimes we all fall back to the position of knowing "X" fits, works and does the job in a manner we can get on with. Sometimes logic is that simple.
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Post by Alex on Oct 5, 2023 17:29:39 GMT
If you like what the TTRS offers then that RS5 Andy suggested could be a really good shout as it's a size up with even more power and practicality for not a lot more money. I like the 340i but if it does look very much like most other 3 series so perhaps a bit ubiquitous? But then that makes it more of a sleeper than an RS5 or TTRS so you're less likely to get yobs in Corsa VXRs trying to race you. Of course if you only need the practicality of a coupe could a 440i be a bit more special than a 340i? Or how about a Guilia QF. There's a fair few around in the sort of budget you've been looking at. Whatever way you go there's a lot of choice in that mid 30k bracket to choose from.
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Post by Alex on Oct 5, 2023 17:41:57 GMT
What about this as a wildcard option? www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202304296823427?atmobcid=soc3Be a bit thirstier than a TTRS but should also sound a lot better. I did also look to see if Alpine A110s are in the 30s on price but the cheapest are still north of £40k. They are holding their values really well though so if you can stretch the budget and do a bit of man maths is there any chance of them being a consideration. I only ever hear of them being great cars, although I appreciate the 4 pot turbo is a bit of a downside.
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Post by clunes on Oct 5, 2023 17:52:25 GMT
Thanks again for the valuable input - it is helping although it probably doesn’t seem like it! Part of the issue is that I don’t have any real set criteria aside from an arbitrary price point which is based purely on a number my head. If I was a lease buyer it may be very different. I’ll take another look at the obvious suspects ie S/RS models, M3/4 etc again as I am unfairly ruling things out. On the slightly cheaper end I should open my mind to things like Martins suggestion of a subtle Golf R again. There is a loaded, immaculate one at the dealer that has the TT RS (edited to add it’s now reserved but shows what the market is like): www.fontain.co.uk/vehicle/used-volkswagen-golf-tsi-bluemotion-tech-r-for-sale-in-iver-buckinghamshire-u13080/?cookies=1The M340i would be the do it all family wagon - there is no doubting it’s a very well rounded option and I quite like the subtlety but I agree it’s doesn’t get the heart racing. If we did go that route we’d probably replace the Q3 with a small runabout for the school runs etc. (oh. And it’s another £500 cheaper going into the weekend I see!) If I have time tomorrow I might go see this as it’s only a few miles away. I think one of you suggested it to Alf but the lack of a 5th seat was a deal breaker in his situation. www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202304296823427It’s a completely different prospect to the BMW (see comment above about no set criteria!) but I like the rarity, the fact it’s not an M/RS and have a feeling as a daily proposition it might be a lovey thing to live with. It states it has the Lexus warranty as well so that should extend to 2028 which is a big plus
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Post by clunes on Oct 5, 2023 17:53:45 GMT
What about this as a wildcard option? www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202304296823427?atmobcid=soc3Be a bit thirstier than a TTRS but should also sound a lot better. I did also look to see if Alpine A110s are in the 30s on price but the cheapest are still north of £40k. They are holding their values really well though so if you can stretch the budget and do a bit of man maths is there any chance of them being a consideration. I only ever hear of them being great cars, although I appreciate the 4 pot turbo is a bit of a downside. 😂😂😂 We cross posted the same suggestion (and yes, Alpine hold their value amazingly well)
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Post by Alex on Oct 5, 2023 18:01:49 GMT
Well maybe its not as much of a wildcard as I thought!
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Post by clunes on Oct 5, 2023 18:05:09 GMT
It’s been for sale there for a long time now. Price has come down a bit more recently. It’s literally the next village along from me - I can get to that garage in 5mins and I’ve looked at the advert many times and watched a fair few reviews (summary - Usual Lexus build quality, interesting alternative, old school, masterpiece of an engine, too heavy for track, an M4 is way faster at the bottom end and sharper, as a road car it has a lot going for it)
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Post by Alex on Oct 5, 2023 18:18:22 GMT
Doesn't matter if an M4 is quicker on a track if you don't live on one! The engine is indeed something special and you probably won't get another opportunity to have one like it in such a modern car. Or indeed an NA V8 of any sort in a car less than 15 years old. You will get incredible customer service when you have to take it to a dealer for servicing.
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Post by Martin on Oct 5, 2023 18:37:10 GMT
Wow, that Golf is expensive, but maybe not if it’s sold. It’s about what I would expect ours to retail for which is only £10k less than we paid over 5 years ago, amazing depreciation. I was going to suggest you make an offer for our car, as I need something to push me into letting go and getting something else….I’m still feeling a bit uninspired. But if you’re looking at options like the RC500, a 5 year old 4 pot Golf isn’t going to cut it! Similar to the point in PG’s post, I have a mental limit on the value of something and so much is above that level at the moment. It doesn’t matter if it’s in budget or not.
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Post by clunes on Oct 5, 2023 18:58:54 GMT
Your last point hits the nail on the head. Without wanting to sound like an arse I could afford to buy at a higher price - partly as we’ve just sold my partners house so there is the ‘profit’ (not in real terms!) from that but I could also embrace the world of PCP and get into some nice metal. However, that might require me to lower our pension contributions (27% and my partner 25%) which we are doubling down on for reasons previously discussed.
The more I think about the RCF the more I like the idea. But I may wake up in a different frame of mind and make you that offer!
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Post by PG on Oct 5, 2023 19:28:19 GMT
That Lexus RC looks amazingly different and, I suspect, a lovely day-to-day driver that also feels very special.
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Post by Martin on Oct 6, 2023 6:06:33 GMT
Your last point hits the nail on the head. Without wanting to sound like an arse I could afford to buy at a higher price - partly as we’ve just sold my partners house so there is the ‘profit’ (not in real terms!) from that but I could also embrace the world of PCP and get into some nice metal. However, that might require me to lower our pension contributions (27% and my partner 25%) which we are doubling down on for reasons previously discussed. The more I think about the RCF the more I like the idea. But I may wake up in a different frame of mind and make you that offer! The cost of the RCF does feel a little bit punchy in isolation but I think it’s better value than the other options mentioned because of NA V8 + Lexus quality + rarity. I’m flipping between spending 60-70% of the budget holding the rest back to boost my pot next time and keeping the Golf along with spending some money on a machine polish/ceramic coating, winter wheel refurb and a little suspension refresh (there’s a creak at low speed, common ‘issue’ with the top mounts)
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