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Post by Martin on Feb 1, 2023 13:53:18 GMT
Wasn’t Miami blue just a slightly more expensive colour (like Carmine or Crayon) for a while rather than PTS? I’m pretty sure it was on the facelift, then dropped for the facelifted facelift…. Racing - Re essential options, did the dealer advise against removing most of the ‘GTS’ bits from a GTS? (no Race-tex, S rather than GTS suspension) and not adding something like PTV, which should be standard on a GTS anyway? I wouldn’t choose anything I didn’t want just because of (someone’s view of) the impact to resale value, just curious. Always been pts I believe ,I recall thinking about speccing it for the gt3 in 2018 but the price put me off . It's different by model and even then they chop and change regularly. As an example, a favourite of mine, Night Blue is PTS on the 911, but a standard metallic on the Panamera and Macan, as it was on the 911 in 2021. I've looked at a price list for the Macan 2 and the answer is "Miami Blue Special Solid Paint (£1,676)"
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Post by racingteatray on Feb 1, 2023 14:05:28 GMT
No, they didn’t say anything about needing to keep the GTS interior. I don’t like alcantara very much, so it wouldn’t have made a difference if they had.
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Post by franki68 on Feb 1, 2023 15:23:18 GMT
God help us if an SUV becomes the forum car of choice! This forum started up partly to abuse SUV's I have to say though that this, the Cayenne, and the SVR F Pace are about the only ones I'd ever consider . Its a lovely colour Franki - embrace the loudness! A shame the F Pace was so stiff - this sort of car needs to be comfortable on UK roads, they are only getting worse. My boxster is supposed to be the most comfortable - on 18" wheels with active suspension - I find it spine destroying on poor roads compared to the XFR. All SUV's are compromised in out and out handling - they should stop chasing track times with overly stiff suspension and make then nice to drive, the way they will be driven. £55k for a 3-4 year old compact SUV however is a good example of why I'll keep both my current cars as long as I economically can..... The f pace was not that stiff,it was stiff in comparison to the cayenne.
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Post by franki68 on Feb 1, 2023 16:06:28 GMT
Always been pts I believe ,I recall thinking about speccing it for the gt3 in 2018 but the price put me off . It's different by model and even then they chop and change regularly. As an example, a favourite of mine, Night Blue is PTS on the 911, but a standard metallic on the Panamera and Macan, as it was on the 911 in 2021. I've looked at a price list for the Macan 2 and the answer is "Miami Blue Special Solid Paint (£1,676)" where did you get the options price list for a 2019 macan ? The current price is £6k plus which is outrageous,more so if it was 1600 a few years ago.
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Post by racingteatray on Feb 1, 2023 17:06:49 GMT
I like Night Blue too, but my father’s Gen II Macan S is Night Blue with a black interior, so I didn’t want exactly the same look, plus my last car was midnight blue so nice to have a change.
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Post by alf on Feb 3, 2023 10:00:46 GMT
Presumably all these really espensive Porsche colours have unicorn blood in them to justify that cost???
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Post by racingteatray on Feb 3, 2023 15:59:11 GMT
BMW charges a fortune these days for individual colours as well.
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Post by Big Blue on Feb 3, 2023 18:15:30 GMT
BMW charges a fortune these days for individual colours as well. Yep. I looked at a couple of the greens for Eva but £4K was a bit strong.
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Post by ChrisM on Feb 3, 2023 20:46:47 GMT
The paint on the T-Cross was over £800 extra when it was new Th "ordinary" metallics are about £600. I do find it a bit off that most cars come in just one or possibly two colours for "standard" price. When I was younger new cars used to come in a choice of maybe 6 or 8 (or more) flat colours as standard; some even had metallic as standard although that tended to be the Japanese who did that
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Post by Alex on Feb 4, 2023 21:46:46 GMT
It's because there's not much profit in building cars any more but a hell of a profit margin on paint (and any other extras for that matter)
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Post by racingteatray on Feb 4, 2023 23:20:56 GMT
So any photos of Miami Vice yet?
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Post by franki68 on Feb 5, 2023 9:21:48 GMT
No,it’s here though .
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Post by Alex on Feb 6, 2023 9:01:32 GMT
I saw one yesterday in a deep copper orange colour that actually looked quite good. I think it's called Papaya which makes it sound like a much brighter colour than it is.
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Post by franki68 on Feb 6, 2023 10:13:35 GMT
After my initial 'it's not my usual Grey/silver/Black or dark blue ' ,I am really liking the colour. (It was £1400 as well I have the full order sheet...nice of them to now charge £6500 typical porsche)
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Post by Martin on Feb 8, 2023 18:03:43 GMT
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 8, 2023 19:11:10 GMT
That really is a lovely colour. I recently saw an A6 Allroad in a similar colour.
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Post by PetrolEd on Feb 9, 2023 9:11:06 GMT
Perfect, if only it wasn't 35K over budget.
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Post by racingteatray on Feb 9, 2023 23:40:44 GMT
Light on options?? It must have a good £20k’s worth?!
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Post by Martin on Feb 10, 2023 6:33:11 GMT
Light on options?? It must have a good £20k’s worth?! Yes, £20k of options and it’s still missing things that should be standard. A big chunk of that cost is paint and it’s got a lot of cosmetic (but very nice) options but it is missing a couple of my essentials (surround cameras, dimming mirrors) and things I’d really want (comfort access, adaptive cruise, seat ventilation, Burmester).
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Post by racingteatray on Feb 10, 2023 10:46:58 GMT
Ah but “light on options” by your standards is setting quite a high bar!
I’m with you on the surround and dimming mirrors, but the other things you list are FG that I never considered adding:
Comfort access: deliberate omission for security reasons. Ventilated seats: not fussed Burmester: I’ve listened to it in a car I tested and it was good but not worth four times what they charge for BOSE Adaptive cruise: don’t need it.
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Post by Martin on Feb 10, 2023 11:00:58 GMT
That's a fair point, I probably should have said that it was missing a couple of things I'd want rather than being particularly light. The problem with a lot of FG is when you get used to it you don't really want to do without it, but there are things missing that should be standard equipment.
My thoughts!
Comfort access - Got used to it over the years (it's on the Golf as well) and benefit from it every day. Not the security issue it once was, higher risk of someone breaking in to steal keys Ventilated seats - Neither was I until I had them Burmester - I've not listed to it in a Porsche, so would want to do that before spending the money, but I do like listening to music in the car. If Bose is more like HK than B&W I would pay the extra. Adaptive Cruise - I'm not fussed about it on the motorway and it can be annoying as people can't drive at a steady speed...but well worth it for stop/start and slow moving traffic alone.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Feb 10, 2023 11:41:36 GMT
Our Qashqai has adaptive cruise and, having used it regularly and found it to be so good, I wouldn't have CC without it now.
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Post by Tim on Feb 10, 2023 11:55:32 GMT
Our Qashqai has adaptive cruise and, having used it regularly and found it to be so good, I wouldn't have CC without it now. Was it standard on the Qq and how much would Porsche charge for it?
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Post by Big Blue on Feb 10, 2023 11:57:20 GMT
Our Qashqai has adaptive cruise and, having used it regularly and found it to be so good, I wouldn't have CC without it now. Eva hasn’t got adaptive and having been a bit miffed at first I’m now not bothered. The Mini has it as did the Gorilla and most hire cars I get have it. I have recently started to find it too obtrusive, braking or backing off too early where I wouldn’t. It also always defaults to being 50 car lengths behind the car in front when clearly, as a BMW driver, I want to be 2” off the rear bumper of the car ahead. There is also the matter that I have got so used to using the steering wheel buttons on Eva to manage cruise in the same way radar does that it’s kind of redundant. Ventilated seats and surround view though…… must haves. Amused to see that auto dimming mirrors are options on Porsches. 🤦
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Post by Martin on Feb 10, 2023 12:03:11 GMT
Our Qashqai has adaptive cruise and, having used it regularly and found it to be so good, I wouldn't have CC without it now. Was it standard on the Qq and how much would Porsche charge for it? It was standard on our Golf Adaptive cruise is a £600 option on the Macan but it's quite an old system as it only works above 30km/h (so no queue assist) and doesn't include lane keeping. The Golf has queue assist but only lane keeping the newer ones, my car has both. You need 'Innodrive' to get everything, which is available on 911/Panamera/Cayenne/Taycan and is a c£1800-2000 option.
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Post by Martin on Feb 10, 2023 12:08:41 GMT
Our Qashqai has adaptive cruise and, having used it regularly and found it to be so good, I wouldn't have CC without it now. Eva hasn’t got adaptive and having been a bit miffed at first I’m now not bothered. The Mini has it as did the Gorilla and most hire cars I get have it. I have recently started to find it too obtrusive, braking or backing off too early where I wouldn’t. It also always defaults to being 50 car lengths behind the car in front when clearly, as a BMW driver, I want to be 2” off the rear bumper of the car ahead. There is also the matter that I have got so used to using the steering wheel buttons on Eva to manage cruise in the same way radar does that it’s kind of redundant. Ventilated seats and surround view though…… must haves. Amused to see that auto dimming mirrors are options on Porsches. 🤦 I find it's only an issue when other drivers significantly vary their speed. Both our cars remember the last distance selected (it's an option you can select in the menu) and in the Golf the speed in which it gets back to what you've set and the distance also depends on what mode you're in (or configurable in individual mode). Set it at the closest distance then race mode for the ACC and you can pretend you're actually driving an Audi rather than just a VW! When you reduce the distance in my car, a long press of that button turns off the adaptive functionality so you can use it like std cruise control if you want. I used to use the steering wheel buttons in the same way in my BMWs. Auto dimming mirrors aren't an option on the whole range, they've recently made them standard equipment on 911/Panamera/Cayenne.... It wasn't that long ago that basic cruise control was an option, alongside other fairly basic things like heated seats.
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Post by Big Blue on Feb 10, 2023 12:13:36 GMT
You need 'Innodrive' to get everything, which is available on 911/Panamera/Cayenne/Taycan and is a c£1800-2000 option. The Voodoo cruise came with the self-driving option only, which I had in a hire car one summer and didn’t like or use at all hence I didn’t tick the Tech Plus box
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Post by Martin on Feb 10, 2023 12:19:24 GMT
You need 'Innodrive' to get everything, which is available on 911/Panamera/Cayenne/Taycan and is a c£1800-2000 option. The Voodoo cruise came with the self-driving option only, which I had in a hire car one summer and didn’t like or use at all hence I didn’t tick the Tech Plus box Not worth spending money on something you don't like! It does come with some other potentially useful things, which used to be in a smaller pack (Driving Asst iirc, it was std on my 7) like speed limit recognition, front/rear collision, cross traffic warnings etc. As I said, it's how it works in traffic that I like, but not having the full system wouldn't be a deal breaker and I didn't realise the Macan system only worked at 30kmh+, so I wouldn't bother either.
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 10, 2023 12:41:14 GMT
Our Qashqai has adaptive cruise and, having used it regularly and found it to be so good, I wouldn't have CC without it now. I agree.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Feb 10, 2023 17:57:12 GMT
Our Qashqai has adaptive cruise and, having used it regularly and found it to be so good, I wouldn't have CC without it now. Was it standard on the Qq and how much would Porsche charge for it? Ours is just a mid range N-connecta but it’s standard, along with auto parking. It has 3 distance settings so I set it on 2, with the speed set to 75 mph, and it sits a nice comfortable difference behind the car in front, slowing and accelerating much as I would do if I was in control.
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