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Post by franki68 on Jan 27, 2023 15:00:08 GMT
Tested a fully loaded Jaguar fpace 3.0 diesel and a very well loaded BMW x5 3.0 .Jaguar was a 2021 car and BMW 2019.
The jaguar I honestly went into buy.Read the reviews like the look and the new interior looked good in the photos and the size is good as in not too big for these types of cars.
I ended up not liking the Jag,the engine and gearbox and handling were all very very good and the infotainment system was excellent but the ride was just too firm for this type of car and the interior was a bit of a let down .The reality is the my cayenne which is 2013 is a much much better car .
THe BMW x5 was in a different ballpark ,the interior was much better and the ride significantly better .Comfort is my prime concern with these as I still have the gt3 for fun.The only downside was the sheer size of it,it dwarfs the Cayenne .
The only other option is a macan but finding a good spec one is so difficult ,but I know the BMW will drop its value at a tremendous rate whereas the macan will retain its value much better (although a well specced 2019 Macan is about 10k more than the X5 which I looked at.)
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Jan 27, 2023 18:09:48 GMT
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 27, 2023 18:09:48 GMT
Interesting. One of my best friends has a 69-plate F-Pace 3.0d and they love it, but I agree that when I sat and had a poke about in one, I didn’t particularly like it. I’d rather have a Velar with the same mechanicals.
Diesel Macans do exist but only as Gen 1 cars I think.
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Jan 27, 2023 18:42:24 GMT
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Post by Alex on Jan 27, 2023 18:42:24 GMT
The F Pace's problem is simply that there are cars from the same company (JLR) that do it better and have had much more invested into them. The Velar almost fills the same market segment of being like a RR but a bit sleeker and sportier, which is what the Jag side of the stable is supposed to be offering. They will cost more but one of those with the 3.0 diesel could be worth a look if you liked that powertrain.
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Post by PetrolEd on Jan 27, 2023 21:21:24 GMT
Something like a BMW X3 M40i/d not float your boat?
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 27, 2023 22:55:28 GMT
One of our neighbours has a X3 M40i. I can tell when it starts up, because it sounds very similar to my car, just a bit quieter. Even my wife noticed that. It’s not the most dashing bit of automotive design, but then by current BMW standards it is at least not blessed with a face like a naked mole rat.
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Post by PetrolEd on Jan 28, 2023 8:51:09 GMT
One of our neighbours has a X3 M40i. I can tell when it starts up, because it sounds very similar to my car, just a bit quieter. Even my wife noticed that. It’s not the most dashing bit of automotive design, but then by current BMW standards it is at least not blessed with a face like a naked mole rat. Current x3, x5 and 5 series are about the only vaguely attractive cars bmw currently make. |
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Post by franki68 on Jan 30, 2023 9:40:26 GMT
Something like a BMW X3 M40i/d not float your boat? its an option as is an SQ5,Velar and I have found a alpina x3d in that price range with a suitable spec.I am trying as many of them as I can . |
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Post by clunes on Jan 30, 2023 16:00:22 GMT
Sorry if I missed something but given why is another Cayenne not an option?
Interested on a personal level as well as once the house build is done and we've recovered from the pain a new 'family' car is on the cards and my partner far prefers sitting higher - hence an SUV is likely to be towards the top of the list
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Post by Andy C on Jan 30, 2023 17:20:03 GMT
Alpina… got to be
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 30, 2023 23:18:44 GMT
I would have absolutely loved an Alpina B4 Gran Coupe and did make an enquiry, but it was over £90k OTR and the monthlies came in at the best part of £900, so it was not happening.
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Post by franki68 on Jan 31, 2023 8:43:56 GMT
Sorry if I missed something but given why is another Cayenne not an option? Interested on a personal level as well as once the house build is done and we've recovered from the pain a new 'family' car is on the cards and my partner far prefers sitting higher - hence an SUV is likely to be towards the top of the list It is but I find the cayenne big and the newer one is quite a bit bigger . |
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Post by franki68 on Jan 31, 2023 8:48:37 GMT
Yesterday was a macan s which I am going back to drive as I didn’t want to waste their time if the dogs didn’t fit so I’m going back with the dogs .
Audi sq5 ,unfortunately wanted to test one with air suspension but couldn’t .engine is amazing but the steering was devoid of feel and the ride brittle .
RR velar 3.0d hse , what a lovely relaxing car to drive ,if you want to waft around in comfort and style it was a very nice thing .
Not sure how it deals with the fun side though ,but a very very nice car and goes into the ‘very possibly ‘ category .
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Post by franki68 on Jan 31, 2023 16:05:19 GMT
so tried the Macan 's' a 2019 with a mega spec and just paid a deposit on it.Comfortable and fun and I can see why they always win the group tests and why Racing (rightly) decided to keep the one he went for.
I had very particular sepc requirements which were almost impossible to find in the price range ,in fact there were 2 cars in the whole of the uk ,One in aberdeen and one 8 miles from me which met those needs.
The colour is very unlike me as it's quite loud and I am really usually boring colour wise but I like it (miami blue) in fact it was a colour I considered doing the gt3 in back when I bought it.
spec is very good about 20k in options.
BOSE Surround Sound System
Park Assist - Front and Rear Including Reversing Camera and Surround View
21in Alloy Wheels - RS Spyder Design Wheels
Door Handles Painted in Black - High-Gloss
Fuel Filler Cap with Aluminium Look Finish
Panoramic Roof System
Privacy Glass
Roof Rails in Aluminium with Black Finish including Roof Transport System
SportDesign Exterior Mirrors
SportDesign Package - Black High Gloss with Side Skirts
Sports Tailpipes
14-Way Power Seats - Front with Memory Package
Armrest Design - Front Centre Console with Porsche Crest
Driver Memory Package
Head Restraints Design - Porsche Crest Embossed - Front
Heated Multifunction GT Sports Steering Wheel
Seat Belts - Pebble Grey
Seats - Heated Front
LED Headlights including Porsche Dynamic Light System - PDLS Plus
PTV Plus - Porsche Torque Vectoring Plus
Tinted LED Taillights Including Light Strip
Vehicle Key Painted with Key Pouch in Leather
Air Suspension with Self-levelling - Ride Height Control and Porsche Active Suspension Management - PASM
PASM - Porsche Active Suspension Management
Power Steering Plus
Sport Chrono Package including Mode Switch
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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 31, 2023 16:15:55 GMT
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Post by franki68 on Jan 31, 2023 17:55:55 GMT
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Post by Martin on Jan 31, 2023 18:29:35 GMT
That’s a nice spec and a decent saving vs new.
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Post by clunes on Jan 31, 2023 20:45:05 GMT
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Post by PG on Jan 31, 2023 23:03:16 GMT
That sure is "blue". Looks good.
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Post by franki68 on Feb 1, 2023 7:55:28 GMT
A GSP and a cocker ,both fit fine . |
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Post by PetrolEd on Feb 1, 2023 9:44:04 GMT
Very nice, congrats on the purchase. Looks rather loaded.
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Post by racingteatray on Feb 1, 2023 9:45:51 GMT
Congrats! Having become something of an expert on Macan prices of late, that’s a very decent price for a 2019 S with that spec. The colour is marmite as you say, which has a bearing on that. But it you like it, then happy days.
Turns out Macans are super spec-sensitive - if they lack something crucial like a pano roof or BOSE, it knocks off way more than the intrinsic cost of that option new. And “different” colours like python green or crayon are problematic.
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Post by racingteatray on Feb 1, 2023 9:49:47 GMT
so tried the Macan 's' a 2019 with a mega spec and just paid a deposit on it.Comfortable and fun and I can see why they always win the group tests and why Racing (rightly) decided to keep the one he went for. I had very particular sepc requirements which were almost impossible to find in the price range ,in fact there were 2 cars in the whole of the uk ,One in aberdeen and one 8 miles from me which met those needs. The colour is very unlike me as it's quite loud and I am really usually boring colour wise but I like it (miami blue) in fact it was a colour I considered doing the gt3 in back when I bought it. spec is very good about 20k in options. BOSE Surround Sound System Park Assist - Front and Rear Including Reversing Camera and Surround View 21in Alloy Wheels - RS Spyder Design Wheels Door Handles Painted in Black - High-Gloss Fuel Filler Cap with Aluminium Look Finish Panoramic Roof System Privacy Glass Roof Rails in Aluminium with Black Finish including Roof Transport System SportDesign Exterior Mirrors SportDesign Package - Black High Gloss with Side Skirts Sports Tailpipes 14-Way Power Seats - Front with Memory Package Armrest Design - Front Centre Console with Porsche Crest Driver Memory Package Head Restraints Design - Porsche Crest Embossed - Front Heated Multifunction GT Sports Steering Wheel Seat Belts - Pebble Grey Seats - Heated Front LED Headlights including Porsche Dynamic Light System - PDLS Plus PTV Plus - Porsche Torque Vectoring Plus Tinted LED Taillights Including Light Strip Vehicle Key Painted with Key Pouch in Leather Air Suspension with Self-levelling - Ride Height Control and Porsche Active Suspension Management - PASM PASM - Porsche Active Suspension Management Power Steering Plus Sport Chrono Package including Mode Switch Interesting to show that all that was £20k of options on an S. I have all of the above barring the torque vectoring and painted key, but then have a couple of other things like 18-way seats, wireless charging and the expensive dark wood trim, and it came to £10k’s of options on my GTS. It’s one reason why I went for the GTS - once you’d optioned both up to match, there wasn’t much in it, and the GTS has better residuals. |
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Post by franki68 on Feb 1, 2023 10:09:08 GMT
so tried the Macan 's' a 2019 with a mega spec and just paid a deposit on it.Comfortable and fun and I can see why they always win the group tests and why Racing (rightly) decided to keep the one he went for. I had very particular sepc requirements which were almost impossible to find in the price range ,in fact there were 2 cars in the whole of the uk ,One in aberdeen and one 8 miles from me which met those needs. The colour is very unlike me as it's quite loud and I am really usually boring colour wise but I like it (miami blue) in fact it was a colour I considered doing the gt3 in back when I bought it. spec is very good about 20k in options. BOSE Surround Sound System Park Assist - Front and Rear Including Reversing Camera and Surround View 21in Alloy Wheels - RS Spyder Design Wheels Door Handles Painted in Black - High-Gloss Fuel Filler Cap with Aluminium Look Finish Panoramic Roof System Privacy Glass Roof Rails in Aluminium with Black Finish including Roof Transport System SportDesign Exterior Mirrors SportDesign Package - Black High Gloss with Side Skirts Sports Tailpipes 14-Way Power Seats - Front with Memory Package Armrest Design - Front Centre Console with Porsche Crest Driver Memory Package Head Restraints Design - Porsche Crest Embossed - Front Heated Multifunction GT Sports Steering Wheel Seat Belts - Pebble Grey Seats - Heated Front LED Headlights including Porsche Dynamic Light System - PDLS Plus PTV Plus - Porsche Torque Vectoring Plus Tinted LED Taillights Including Light Strip Vehicle Key Painted with Key Pouch in Leather Air Suspension with Self-levelling - Ride Height Control and Porsche Active Suspension Management - PASM PASM - Porsche Active Suspension Management Power Steering Plus Sport Chrono Package including Mode Switch Interesting to show that all that was £20k of options on an S. I have all of the above barring the torque vectoring and painted key, but then have a couple of other things like 18-way seats, wireless charging and the expensive dark wood trim, and it came to £10k’s of options on my GTS. It’s one reason why I went for the GTS - once you’d optioned both up to match, there wasn’t much in it, and the GTS has better residuals. Yes the gts is a no brainer new,didn’t even look at used prices for gts as they will be higher and I don’t need the extra performance . Is air standard n gts ? It was so hard to find a car with air / Bose and 14 way comforts . |
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Post by racingteatray on Feb 1, 2023 10:26:01 GMT
It wasn’t standard on the GTS until Gen III (so 2021 onwards). Gen II cars like yours needed it optioning.
Having read various tests that recommended doing so, I opted to replace the lowered version of air suspension that is standard on a Gen III GTS with the standard air suspension (a no-cost option).
Yes I spent ages looking at used ones but every time I spotted what looked like the perfect car, it would be lacking something like BOSE or air suspension or privacy glass, or in one case, the panoramic roof.
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Post by racingteatray on Feb 1, 2023 10:27:29 GMT
Also prices on Gen II GTS and Turbo cars are insane. Next to list for a new one for a 3yr old car with average miles.
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Post by franki68 on Feb 1, 2023 11:08:06 GMT
It wasn’t standard on the GTS until Gen III (so 2021 onwards). Gen II cars like yours needed it optioning. Having read various tests that recommended doing so, I opted to replace the lowered version of air suspension that is standard on a Gen III GTS with the standard air suspension (a no-cost option). Yes I spent ages looking at used ones but every time I spotted what looked like the perfect car, it would be lacking something like BOSE or air suspension or privacy glass, or in one case, the panoramic roof. A large part of the 20k worth of option is the pts colour ,I don’t know what it was then but now it’s £6200 which is outrageous . |
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Post by alf on Feb 1, 2023 11:17:28 GMT
God help us if an SUV becomes the forum car of choice! This forum started up partly to abuse SUV's  I have to say though that this, the Cayenne, and the SVR F Pace are about the only ones I'd ever consider . Its a lovely colour Franki - embrace the loudness! A shame the F Pace was so stiff - this sort of car needs to be comfortable on UK roads, they are only getting worse. My boxster is supposed to be the most comfortable - on 18" wheels with active suspension - I find it spine destroying on poor roads compared to the XFR. All SUV's are compromised in out and out handling - they should stop chasing track times with overly stiff suspension and make then nice to drive, the way they will be driven. £55k for a 3-4 year old compact SUV however is a good example of why I'll keep both my current cars as long as I economically can..... |
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Post by racingteatray on Feb 1, 2023 11:33:25 GMT
It wasn’t standard on the GTS until Gen III (so 2021 onwards). Gen II cars like yours needed it optioning. Having read various tests that recommended doing so, I opted to replace the lowered version of air suspension that is standard on a Gen III GTS with the standard air suspension (a no-cost option). Yes I spent ages looking at used ones but every time I spotted what looked like the perfect car, it would be lacking something like BOSE or air suspension or privacy glass, or in one case, the panoramic roof. A large part of the 20k worth of option is the pts colour ,I don’t know what it was then but now it’s £6200 which is outrageous . Yes, that’s why mine is not British Racing Green! When we went to pick ours up, it was next to a Cayenne in PTS BRG and it looked gorgeous - Mrs RT asked why we hadn’t gone for that colour and went silent when I said it cost £5.5k extra (given that metallic paint is £685 anyway). |
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Post by Martin on Feb 1, 2023 11:59:28 GMT
Wasn’t Miami blue just a slightly more expensive colour (like Carmine or Crayon) for a while rather than PTS? I’m pretty sure it was on the facelift, then dropped for the facelifted facelift….
Racing - Re essential options, did the dealer advise against removing most of the ‘GTS’ bits from a GTS? (no Race-tex, S rather than GTS suspension) and not adding something like PTV, which should be standard on a GTS anyway? I wouldn’t choose anything I didn’t want just because of (someone’s view of) the impact to resale value, just curious.
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Post by franki68 on Feb 1, 2023 13:14:04 GMT
Wasn’t Miami blue just a slightly more expensive colour (like Carmine or Crayon) for a while rather than PTS? I’m pretty sure it was on the facelift, then dropped for the facelifted facelift…. Racing - Re essential options, did the dealer advise against removing most of the ‘GTS’ bits from a GTS? (no Race-tex, S rather than GTS suspension) and not adding something like PTV, which should be standard on a GTS anyway? I wouldn’t choose anything I didn’t want just because of (someone’s view of) the impact to resale value, just curious. Always been pts I believe ,I recall thinking about speccing it for the gt3 in 2018 but the price put me off . |
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