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Post by garry on Oct 11, 2021 9:28:47 GMT
Has this been talked about? Saw a YouTube video on it. Full electric, 350 miles of range, will come in van, transporter and campervan form. To my eyes a very cool family van. Launching in late ‘22.
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Post by Blarno on Oct 11, 2021 9:39:21 GMT
Coming to a campsite near you very soon, with a garland haning from the window and a "One life, live it" sticker on the back doors.
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Post by johnc on Oct 11, 2021 9:44:33 GMT
I think that will be a huge success. Cool styling, eco credentials and so different to the vast majority of alternatives.
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Post by Blarno on Oct 11, 2021 11:26:19 GMT
I have to admit, I've never seen the appeal of them, whether as a van or a camper. I've always considered them vastly overpriced for what they are - the cost of T5 and T6 Transporters is ridiculous, especially considering that as a van, they aren't that good. I've driven countless vans in my years and none of them are as good to drive on a daily basis than a Transit. (Mercedes Vito is a close second)
Transporters have awful steering. It's like the wheel isn't physically connected to the road wheels, and it's massively over assisted, makes it feel like an arcade game.
Scene tax has pushed their prices up.
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Post by PG on Oct 11, 2021 12:10:03 GMT
I think that will be a huge success. Cool styling, eco credentials and so different to the vast majority of alternatives. I am sure it will be a huge success. And whilst people run their petrol generator at a campsite, having driven their eco-wagon there, they can also charge up their batteries. The ultimate range extender campervan.... But like blarno I don' really get campers in general. Not just VW, but all of them. They seem to incorporate the worst aspects of camping - so small inside that you're basically living in the tented area attached to it, with none of the "advantages" (and I use that word carefully) of a caravan as you can't jump in a car and go somewhere from the campsite. So, they're cool for beach days and somewhere you can walk or cycle everywhere from, but then I'm struggling.
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Post by johnc on Oct 11, 2021 12:16:28 GMT
I don't see the majority of these being camper vans. I think it is much more likely that these will be 6 or 7 seat family wagons for the yummy mummy's and seen as a bit of a fashion statement.
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Post by garry on Oct 11, 2021 12:30:12 GMT
I don't see the majority of these being camper vans. I think it is much more likely that these will be 6 or 7 seat family wagons for the yummy mummy's and seen as a bit of a fashion statement. Yep. This vs a Galaxy or Sharan. It's a no brainer.
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Post by PG on Oct 11, 2021 12:37:14 GMT
I don't see the majority of these being camper vans. I think it is much more likely that these will be 6 or 7 seat family wagons for the yummy mummy's and seen as a bit of a fashion statement. Yep. This vs a Galaxy or Sharan. It's a no brainer. Perhaps SAVs (Sports Activity Vans) will be new SUVs?
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 11, 2021 14:55:27 GMT
I might be a country man at heart but these do nothing for me.
However, I get that many others go ga-ga for them. My brother-in-law, for instance, is a large blonde labrador of a man, and he is (unlike me) absolutely the sort of person who sees the countryside as one giant sports activity playground to be energetically invaded at the weekend laden with small children, tents, bikes, wetsuits, surfboards and half the contents of the nearest Decathlon, no matter the weather. I bet he'll love it.
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Post by garry on Oct 11, 2021 16:34:54 GMT
I might be a country man at heart but these do nothing for me. However, I get that many others go ga-ga for them. My brother-in-law, for instance, is a large blonde labrador of a man, and he is (unlike me) absolutely the sort of person who sees the countryside as one giant sports activity playground to be energetically invaded at the weekend laden with small children, tents, bikes, wetsuits, surfboards and half the contents of the nearest Decathlon, no matter the weather. I bet he'll love it. A large blonde Labrador of a man you say…..
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Post by Roadsterstu on Oct 11, 2021 16:53:55 GMT
Coming to a campsite near you very soon, with a garland haning from the window and a "One life, live it" sticker on the back doors. Soon to be buzzing all over Cornwall.
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 11, 2021 16:59:03 GMT
I might be a country man at heart but these do nothing for me. However, I get that many others go ga-ga for them. My brother-in-law, for instance, is a large blonde labrador of a man, and he is (unlike me) absolutely the sort of person who sees the countryside as one giant sports activity playground to be energetically invaded at the weekend laden with small children, tents, bikes, wetsuits, surfboards and half the contents of the nearest Decathlon, no matter the weather. I bet he'll love it. A large blonde Labrador of a man you say….. View AttachmentHa. This human labrador is possibly slightly more athletic - he has rowed the Atlantic, skied to the North Pole, cycled across east Africa... My sister had to formally ban him from Everest.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Oct 11, 2021 16:59:55 GMT
I have to admit, I've never seen the appeal of them, whether as a van or a camper. I've always considered them vastly overpriced for what they are - the cost of T5 and T6 Transporters is ridiculous, especially considering that as a van, they aren't that good. I've driven countless vans in my years and none of them are as good to drive on a daily basis than a Transit. (Mercedes Vito is a close second) Transporters have awful steering. It's like the wheel isn't physically connected to the road wheels, and it's massively over assisted, makes it feel like an arcade game. Scene tax has pushed their prices up. Quite agree regarding Transits. If I needed a van, it would absolutely be a Ford Transit. I don't quite agree on the fact Transporters are awful to drive as the few I have driven have been OK, especially my mate's 57 plate 170k miler, which we drove to Paris and back in 24hrs to collect a load of percussion instruments, about 4 years ago. That munched the miles very well and was fine in the Paris evening rush hour. I think the jointly-developed Transporter and Transit are due out late next year.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Oct 11, 2021 17:00:30 GMT
I don't see the majority of these being camper vans. I think it is much more likely that these will be 6 or 7 seat family wagons for the yummy mummy's and seen as a bit of a fashion statement. Yep. This vs a Galaxy or Sharan. It's a no brainer. Do people still buy MPVs?
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Post by michael on Oct 11, 2021 17:03:51 GMT
Yep. This vs a Galaxy or Sharan. It's a no brainer. Do people still buy MPVs? Yes, but they call them SUVs to feel more comfortable with their decision.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Oct 11, 2021 17:06:34 GMT
Do people still buy MPVs? Yes, but they call them SUVs to feel more comfortable with their decision. I still feel ever so slightly uncomfortable with an SUV. At least mine hasn't got 7 seats.
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Post by ChrisM on Oct 11, 2021 19:19:42 GMT
There's still a big difference between an MPV and an SUV - SUV's squander their height "advantage" for one thing, by having a raised floor.
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Post by garry on Oct 11, 2021 19:23:41 GMT
Ha. This human labrador is possibly slightly more athletic - he has rowed the Atlantic, skied to the North Pole, cycled across east Africa... My sister had to formally ban him from Everest. That is mightily impressive!
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Post by Martin on Oct 11, 2021 19:33:40 GMT
There's still a big difference between an MPV and an SUV - SUV's squander their height "advantage" for one thing, by having a raised floor. Don’t you mean crossovers rather than SUV’s? I still can’t believe you bought a Kuga rather than a Galaxy…..
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 11, 2021 20:09:03 GMT
Ha. This human labrador is possibly slightly more athletic - he has rowed the Atlantic, skied to the North Pole, cycled across east Africa... My sister had to formally ban him from Everest. That is mightily impressive! He's a lovely bloke but literally reminds me of a labrador - all bounding energy and good-natured enthusiasm, with a strong penchant for getting wet and muddy. Definitely what was once termed a "man's man".
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Post by ChrisM on Oct 11, 2021 20:21:29 GMT
There's still a big difference between an MPV and an SUV - SUV's squander their height "advantage" for one thing, by having a raised floor. Don’t you mean crossovers rather than SUV’s? I still can’t believe you bought a Kuga rather than a Galaxy….. If Ford had made a modern equivalent of the 2001 Galaxy that I had previously owned I'd have been tempted. The "problem" is that the Galaxy has grown so much it wouldn't fit in my garage, and it also went over to seats that fold into the floor rather than ones that could be taken out.... so loading weight was compromised. I had around 150 bricks in my old Galaxy at one point when part of the garden wall needed rebuilding, no problem as it had a strong, flat floor with the 5 rear seats taken out. The Kuga was an unintended purchase brought on by a very good deal from the dealer and the fact that I was getting fed up with washing the C-Max daily.... I hope I never have another white car!
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 11, 2021 20:29:08 GMT
Daily washing! Sigh...
I get snarky remarks from my wife if I dare to wash the car once a month!
In the range of Mars vs Venus, I've never understood why, in my experience, it's common for even the most house-proud women to not extend the same desire for spotlessly clean and tidy to their cars.
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Post by michael on Oct 11, 2021 20:41:58 GMT
Ford do make a range of Transits that would carry the bricks you need to cart around do often, Chris. Many of them can even be hired at reasonable daily rates.
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Post by Martin on Oct 11, 2021 20:45:41 GMT
Don’t you mean crossovers rather than SUV’s? I still can’t believe you bought a Kuga rather than a Galaxy….. If Ford had made a modern equivalent of the 2001 Galaxy that I had previously owned I'd have been tempted. The "problem" is that the Galaxy has grown so much it wouldn't fit in my garage, and it also went over to seats that fold into the floor rather than ones that could be taken out.... so loading weight was compromised. I had around 150 bricks in my old Galaxy at one point when part of the garden wall needed rebuilding, no problem as it had a strong, flat floor with the 5 rear seats taken out. The Kuga was an unintended purchase brought on by a very good deal from the dealer and the fact that I was getting fed up with washing the C-Max daily.... I hope I never have another white car! Unless you’ve got a triple garage, something is going to have to live outside?
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Post by Martin on Oct 11, 2021 20:55:36 GMT
Daily washing! Sigh... I get snarky remarks from my wife if I dare to wash the car once a month! In the range of Mars vs Venus, I've never understood why, in my experience, it's common for even the most house-proud women to not extend the same desire for spotlessly clean and tidy to their cars. I don’t understand it either. Thankfully my house-proud wife likes and appreciates a clean car plus helps by keeping it that way, she even takes the mats out and shakes them regularly. She used to wash hers every couple of weeks, but since we’ve lived together that’s been my job along with most things outside such as mowing the lawn, cutting the hedges etc. It’s a deal that works well in my favour, as I find cleaning the car therapeutic (I don’t need daily therapy though….every couple of weeks is fine!) and haven’t needed to use an iron in years or do much more than simple tidying and emptying the dishwasher, that’s partly because we get a weekly clean done but she still cleans bathrooms in between and the Robot Vacuum cleaner does a daily sweep plus mops every couple of days.
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Post by ChrisM on Oct 11, 2021 21:11:24 GMT
A house with a triple garage and workshop space alongside or at the rear of the garage, and preferably with an inspection pit under one of the spaces would be my dream! Sadly I'll never be able to afford such a place and anyway I'm getting too old to work on the underside of cars. I've been having a start at clearing out some excess "stuff" from the house and wonder about thinning out my collection of tools; neither daughter is mechanically minded and neither has a partner inclined or able to do any maintenance (younger daughter is still carefree and very much single anyway)
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Post by Tim on Oct 12, 2021 8:15:36 GMT
Agree on the Transit being the best van. Mrs Tim and I drove a Citroen Relay down to Czech last summer and had to stop after about 40 miles to nip in to Tesco to buy some cheap pillow to help with seat comfort. The fixed rake passenger seats were especially tortuous.
The Merc Sprinter we took down to the Lake District was less bad but still not great.
Conversely I've never had any issues in a Transit.
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Post by PG on Oct 12, 2021 11:25:39 GMT
....Conversely I've never had any issues in a Transit. I think vans have improved immeasurably over recent times. They were uncomfortable, noisy and generally knackered things in the past. When I first moved up to Shropshire (30 years ago), I hired a van to collect some furniture off a friend. It was a Transit. Or rather it was probably once a Transit. As it was so bloody knackered that it would not go over 45mph and was so noisy that you could not hear the radio (MW/LW only of course). In the end I wore ear defenders to drive it to save my hearing. Whereas now, I reckon some vans are better and more comfortable than cars.
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Post by Blarno on Oct 12, 2021 11:37:47 GMT
Transits are number 1 for a reason, they're the best in terms of VFM and driving quality (Which is vital when you spend hours a day driving) and they're not subject to scene tax.
I have a friend who runs a camper conversion company, his 2 favourite vans for conversions are Transits and Renault Masters as Transporters are just too expensive.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Oct 12, 2021 15:25:39 GMT
Transits are number 1 for a reason, they're the best in terms of VFM and driving quality (Which is vital when you spend hours a day driving) and they're not subject to scene tax. I have a friend who runs a camper conversion company, his 2 favourite vans for conversions are Transits and Renault Masters as Transporters are just too expensive. I love the phrase "scene tax". Although it's rather more polite than "van wankers". Cornwall was full of them!
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