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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 11, 2021 20:17:50 GMT
A 1927 Sunbeam 16 Tourer Six cylinder engine, magneto ignition, four speed crash box with a right hand gate change and mechanical brakes. Lovely!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2021 22:05:49 GMT
It looks great and could not get lost in a car park.
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Post by Big Blue on Jun 11, 2021 23:13:15 GMT
What a superb machine.
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Post by bryan on Jun 12, 2021 7:10:09 GMT
Looks fabulous, I hope it passed your inspection!
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Post by PetrolEd on Jun 12, 2021 16:58:27 GMT
You’ll be buying that then. Weather looks lovely on Sunday and cruising in that with the sun out is the stuff of dreams.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 13, 2021 14:09:26 GMT
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jun 13, 2021 16:52:53 GMT
Lovely. I have never passengered, let alone driven, anything like that but I would absolutely love to. What is his advertised price, if you don't mind me asking?
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 13, 2021 20:12:48 GMT
Lovely. I have never passengered, let alone driven, anything like that but I would absolutely love to. What is his advertised price, if you don't mind me asking? £24,950
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Post by Andy C on Jun 13, 2021 21:12:33 GMT
Lovely. I have never passengered, let alone driven, anything like that but I would absolutely love to. What is his advertised price, if you don't mind me asking? £24,950 I know nothing about cars of that era but just from looking at the pics I’d have thought the price would’ve been over double that
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 13, 2021 21:22:59 GMT
Sunbeams are exceptional value at the moment. The market doesn't seem to recognise how much they should be worth, hence making them affordable for me. The equivalent car from Alvis would be at least double the price.
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Post by Martin on Jun 13, 2021 21:24:07 GMT
I know nothing about cars of that era but just from looking at the pics I’d have thought the price would’ve been over double that I thought exactly the same, just based on the amount of time and money that must have been spent on it over the years, even before the amount of pleasure it would give the right sort of person. I’d love a passenger ride in something like that, I don’t think I’ve been in anything older than very lates 60s since I was born.
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Post by PetrolEd on Jun 14, 2021 8:26:43 GMT
Pre War cars are in general very good value just because the age of the typical buyer has increased to the point where a lot of them have passed on and therefore the market has shrunk. I'm just waitng until nobody wants a 250 SWB anymore and I can pick one up for buttons.
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Post by Big Blue on Jun 14, 2021 10:17:12 GMT
Pre War cars are in general very good value just because the age of the typical buyer has increased to the point where a lot of them have passed on and therefore the market has shrunk. I'm just waitng until nobody wants a 250 SWB anymore and I can pick one up for buttons. Interesting point. I feel this is already true of Lotus Cortinas as when I see them priced in the back pages of Motorsport I always think “that’s not a bad price.”
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 14, 2021 20:54:43 GMT
Other possible candidates: Vauxhall 14-40 Tourer Alvis 12/50 Sports Saloon Likely to be out and about again next weekend...
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Post by PG on Jun 16, 2021 16:22:35 GMT
Is this as well as the Standard, or a possible replacement?
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 16, 2021 17:33:40 GMT
Is this as well as the Standard, or a possible replacement? A replacement. If, sometime in the future, there is a second classic/weekend car it will be a two seater sports of some sort. Anything from a rusty MX5 to a Morgan or 1930s Riley, depending upon the imaginary budget...
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Post by racingteatray on Jun 17, 2021 10:47:29 GMT
Other possible candidates: Vauxhall 14-40 Tourer Something very similar to that chuntered past us in Aldeburgh on Sunday with a couple of beaming occupants inside. I had thought "old Vauxhall?" at the time.
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Post by johnc on Jun 17, 2021 13:06:16 GMT
That's a hell of a lot of work to keep that aluminium body looking good especially with our cold and damp winters. A heated garage would of course solve some of the problem.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 18, 2021 20:28:42 GMT
Currently negotiating a discount with the Sunbeam owner. I have found some good, new mudguards available for a reasonable price, so it could be that I shall be trying my hand at vintage coachwork soon...
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Post by Stuntman on Jun 21, 2021 19:44:22 GMT
Any update, James? The Sunbeam looks fabulous and although I know nothing about prices for cars like that, the price certainly doesn't look egregious.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 21, 2021 19:49:18 GMT
I am going to look at the Vauxhall and Alvis on Saturday, then will make a decision. The Sunbeam owner has offered to shift a bit on the price and I think there could be a deal to be done if I decide it is the car for me.
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Post by Stuntman on Jun 21, 2021 19:56:49 GMT
Purely on the pictures, it would be Sunbeam all the way for me. Enjoy your decision!
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Post by racingteatray on Jun 22, 2021 9:10:08 GMT
I know what you mean Dan. It looks particularly Toad of Toad Hall-ish.
Parp parp!
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Post by Martin on Jun 22, 2021 10:59:07 GMT
I have zero idea how they compare, but from a purely visual perspective the Sunbeam is head and shoulders above the others. Hopefully a deal can be done.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 22, 2021 18:01:13 GMT
The Alvis will be the most 'sporty' drive, but they will all be good and extremely hands-on compared to any modern car. The Sunbeam will be the most mechanically refined and have the smoothest ride, but the Alvis will be the most comfortable long distance tourer due to being a saloon. The Vauxhall will be the most antiquated driving experience of the three, but with loads of character.
I am definitely leaning towards the Sunbeam, but want to see the others before making a decision.
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Post by Alex on Jun 23, 2021 9:50:04 GMT
I have zero idea how they compare, but from a purely visual perspective the Sunbeam is head and shoulders above the others. Hopefully a deal can be done. I have to agree but I must say I find the green wheels on that Vauxhall look much better than I'd have thought they would if you'd described them, which they really shouldn't.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 23, 2021 22:08:18 GMT
Alvis viewing and test drive confirmed for Saturday morning. Will probably call in at Bicester on the way back to look at the Vauxhall.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 27, 2021 8:24:56 GMT
My brother and I went to see the Alvis and the Vauxhall yesterday. The Alvis is a lovely, lovely thing. Hitting the sweet spot between original and restored it looks and even smells exactly how I like them. It has had a lot of work done by the right people and the current owner clearly knows his stuff, too. Aside from the big boys such as Bentley and the Vauxhall 30-98 the Alvis 12/50 has always been held up as one of the all- time great vintage sports cars. I had never driven one before yesterday and now I know what all the fuss is about. A superb engine, with power far above its 1645 cc size. It just revs and goes and goes. The right hand gate change for the crash box is an absolute delight and I soon got used to the centre throttle pedal. Driving along the A25 from Redhill to Godstone and back it kept up with the modern traffic and barely noticed the hills. A done deal? Well not quite. Unfortunately it would seem that the average buyer for a vintage sports saloon in 1928 was not 6'2" tall. I am, and when sat behind the wheel my head was not just brushing the headlining, but fully pressed into the roof. The only way I could drive it was to adopt the posture of an inverted comma. Clearly this is not sustainable as a long-term option, so it would require a substantial reconfiguration of the front seat, which would then put me at the wrong angle to step on the meaty clutch and brake pedals. With great reluctance I had to walk away. So, up to Bicester to look at the Vauxhall. The M25 was a stop-start crawl All. The. Way. From. Redhill. To. The. M40. Why the hell would anybody want to live in the south east? But I digress... Having been built in 1922 the Vauxhall is the oldest of the trio and clearly looks it. The bare aluminium bodywork gives it a proper vintage sports car look, with the bolt upright windscreen in its nickel plated frame firmly placing the car in the early 20s rather than late 20s. It has had a lot of work done; some of it good, some of it a bit so-so. The seats are not right at all. While headroom is clearly not a problem, legroom is and the seat is fixed on a wooden box, so no chance of adjustment without significant reconfiguration. It was pleasantly light and agile to drive, the the three speed crash box was an absolute pig of a thing. I don't know if it was just me or a problem with the car, but I fluffed nearly every change. Not right and we walked away.
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Post by Big Blue on Jun 27, 2021 9:56:29 GMT
Bit of a shame but better to know than not. I am also 6’2” and it’s one of the things that tempers my classic-car-want. It also depends on leg to body ratio though.
As to living in the SE - why would anyone want to go from Redhill to the M40 more than once a year? 😆. However it is why I insist on central london roles: I couldn’t do the M25 bit at all.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 27, 2021 11:05:30 GMT
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