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Post by johnc on Feb 19, 2021 9:23:20 GMT
My friend has sold his 991.1 Carrera S Cabrio (amid a lot of interest for it) and is looking for a replacement. He has contemplated a 991.2 GTS but he quite fancies the Boxster 981 GTS. He also likes (understandably) the new Boxster 4.0 GTS but is feeling a bit nervous about shelling out £75/£80K for either a 3 to 4 yr old 911 GTS or a near new Boxster GTS.
Any suggestions or comments since I have been tasked with trying to find a replacement.
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Post by PetrolEd on Feb 19, 2021 9:55:51 GMT
Love a good 997.2 GTS and ashgoods have a good one in www.ashgood.co.uk/vehicle-details/Used-Porsche-911-Carrera-4-Gts-For-Sale-U2149But, they are daft money when you compare them to a car like mine which is very similar for 20K less. If I had up to 80K to look at a toy and keep my money safe then I'd be seeking out a 997.2GT3. They do come up for that money but might need to be patient. Is he all about the drive or not too bothered? A 991 GTS manual Targa would be another good shout but there very rare in that combo. As for the Boxster, if you go nearly new, theres a near 10k discount be be had off list already when you factor in showroom tax. All in all a nice predicament to be in. |
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Post by johnc on Feb 19, 2021 10:05:59 GMT
Thanks Ed. Apologies but I edited my post after I typed 997 when it should have been 991. It's a sunny day car and he has some of the best roads in the country within a few miles of his house.
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Post by Martin on Feb 19, 2021 11:04:30 GMT
I think I'd go for a 991.2 GTS if I had £80k to spend and he will be able to get an approved used one for that budget which will be in great condition with a 2 year warranty. As Ed has pointed out, a Boxster GTS 4.0 will be under £70k, but I've seen a Cayman down in the low £60s so might be worth holding on for a while if that's what he really fancies.
If he wants to keep the budget down a bit, then a 981 GTS is a lovely thing, but £50k+ for a 5-6 year old car feel like quite a lot.
What about a 987 Spyder? I know someone who swapped his GT4 for one and he loves it, says its a much better road car and it would be ideal for sunny days. Prices are in the £60k's.
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Post by racingteatray on Feb 19, 2021 12:05:19 GMT
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Post by johnc on Feb 19, 2021 12:45:11 GMT
His ex brother-in law (also a friend of mine) has a Boxster Spyder. I will fish for information on what they are like.
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Post by Tim on Feb 19, 2021 13:05:00 GMT
Does it have to be a Porsche?
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Post by Martin on Feb 19, 2021 13:09:14 GMT
I meant a 981 Spyder..... |
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Post by johnc on Feb 19, 2021 13:10:36 GMT
Does it have to be a Porsche? I think ultimately, the answer to that is yes. He was slightly interested in a 5 litre F Type but I reckon when push came to shove, he would opt for the Porsche. |
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Post by michael on Feb 19, 2021 13:39:28 GMT
Does it have to be a Porsche? I think ultimately, the answer to that is yes. He was slightly interested in a 5 litre F Type but I reckon when push came to shove, he would opt for the Porsche. It's a shame but you'd be brave put the money in the Jaguar. |
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Post by johnc on Feb 19, 2021 13:47:42 GMT
Another friend was trying to persuade him to get an M2 Comp but he said "it's really nice but it's not a Porsche". Over the near 6 years he had his 911 it cost him c£3,000 a year in depreciation which I think is one of his motivating factors. It's hard to think of many (any) other cars which can give the performance and kudos of a Porsche and yet cost so little.
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Post by Tim on Feb 19, 2021 14:28:11 GMT
He could try a Nissan 370Z, mine didn't lose much value over 3 years (about £4k).
Not sure it qualifies on the kudos front though.....
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Post by PetrolEd on Feb 19, 2021 14:41:51 GMT
Only thing with the 981 Spyder is it has normal Boxster suspension rather then the GT4 which had the front end off the GT3. It might not mean much in the great scheme of things but its the stuff thats important in Porsche circles which helps keep values high.
If he's looking for minimal depreciation the only thing I'd be careful on his future Values of the 991. In my opinion the prices are currently high and at some point a 991 GTS has to come down sharply. a 5 year old 991 GTS at 80K just seems expensive given it was 100k new. maybe its just wishful thinking but can't help feel these should 60K
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Post by racingteatray on Feb 19, 2021 15:07:07 GMT
Certainly a 70-plate 4.0 Boxster GTS for £65k grand looks great value when you consider how what sort of 911 that buys you.
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Post by johnc on Feb 19, 2021 15:21:22 GMT
Certainly a 70-plate 4.0 Boxster GTS for £65k grand looks great value when you consider how what sort of 911 that buys you. If I could find one of them at that price, I think he would snap it up |
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Post by Martin on Feb 19, 2021 15:31:13 GMT
Certainly a 70-plate 4.0 Boxster GTS for £65k grand looks great value when you consider how what sort of 911 that buys you. If I could find one of them at that price, I think he would snap it up There are only 2 available from main dealers as the Cayman arrived first (19 available), so it's a £70k car at the moment but it probably won't be all that long before they are down to £65k. There's a Racing spec GTS for £64k. finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Cayman-GTS-40-232602 |
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Post by johnc on Feb 19, 2021 16:02:02 GMT
That is a bit too chocolate everywhere on the inside.
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Post by PetrolEd on Feb 19, 2021 16:15:36 GMT
What a mad spec, Burmeister stereo which I think is at least a 3K upgrade but no heated seats or Climate control. Very odd
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Post by garry on Feb 19, 2021 16:18:47 GMT
Another friend was trying to persuade him to get an M2 Comp but he said "it's really nice but it's not a Porsche". Over the near 6 years he had his 911 it cost him c£3,000 a year in depreciation which I think is one of his motivating factors. It's hard to think of many (any) other cars which can give the performance and kudos of a Porsche and yet cost so little. Can anyone really see this low level of depreciation with a Boxster? Will a Boxster GTS really be worth circa £52k in six years time (to match the 911 depreciation)? |
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Post by Tim on Feb 19, 2021 16:29:23 GMT
If I could find one of them at that price, I think he would snap it up There are only 2 available from main dealers as the Cayman arrived first (19 available), so it's a £70k car at the moment but it probably won't be all that long before they are down to £65k. There's a Racing spec GTS for £64k. finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Cayman-GTS-40-232602Do some Caymans (Caymen?) have dropping rear windows because if not the 2 switch blanks on the door armrest are a bit shit. I'm sure one of the designers could come up with something a bit better. It is a bit brown but at least it's not paedo grey from floor to ceiling. |
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Post by PetrolEd on Feb 19, 2021 16:42:58 GMT
Another friend was trying to persuade him to get an M2 Comp but he said "it's really nice but it's not a Porsche". Over the near 6 years he had his 911 it cost him c£3,000 a year in depreciation which I think is one of his motivating factors. It's hard to think of many (any) other cars which can give the performance and kudos of a Porsche and yet cost so little. Can anyone really see this low level of depreciation with a Boxster? Will a Boxster GTS really be worth circa £52k in six years time (to match the 911 depreciation)? A 6 year old 981 Boxster/Cayman 981 GTS will be about 45K -50K retail so whats that 40-45K trade. But if he bought lets say this car below, I'd say in 6 years it would be worth 40K which is 5k a year www.ashgood.co.uk/vehicle-details/Used-Porsche-911-991-Carrera-For-Sale-U2265Or this 67K and brand new! www.ashgood.co.uk/vehicle-details/Used-Porsche-718-Cayman-GTS-For-Sale-U2266This is a brilliant spec 981 GTS and will probably lose 20k in 6 years which is similar to his old 997 www.ashgood.co.uk/vehicle-details/Used-Porsche-Cayman-981-GTS-For-Sale-U2227I always link to Ashgoods as in my opinion having bought and sold through them, they price cars to sell not look nice in their glossy showroom. |
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Post by PetrolEd on Feb 19, 2021 16:45:05 GMT
There are only 2 available from main dealers as the Cayman arrived first (19 available), so it's a £70k car at the moment but it probably won't be all that long before they are down to £65k. There's a Racing spec GTS for £64k. finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Cayman-GTS-40-232602Do some Caymans (Caymen?) have dropping rear windows because if not the 2 switch blanks on the door armrest are a bit shit. I'm sure one of the designers could come up with something a bit better. It is a bit brown but at least it's not paedo grey from floor to ceiling. I'm sure the designer did. It was the accountant that stopped him and decided to go for the same switch in 911, panamera, macan, Boxster etc. |
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Post by garry on Feb 19, 2021 16:52:12 GMT
Ok. So a Boxster gts 4.0 might get close to 911 levels of depreciation |
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Post by racingteatray on Feb 19, 2021 17:45:05 GMT
If I could find one of them at that price, I think he would snap it up There are only 2 available from main dealers as the Cayman arrived first (19 available), so it's a £70k car at the moment but it probably won't be all that long before they are down to £65k. There's a Racing spec GTS for £64k. finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Cayman-GTS-40-232602Almost Racing spec....has horrible black wheels. |
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Post by racingteatray on Feb 19, 2021 17:47:26 GMT
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Post by Martin on Feb 19, 2021 17:56:06 GMT
There are only 2 available from main dealers as the Cayman arrived first (19 available), so it's a £70k car at the moment but it probably won't be all that long before they are down to £65k. There's a Racing spec GTS for £64k. finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Cayman-GTS-40-232602Almost Racing spec....has horrible black wheels. Easily fixed for a couple £hundred. |
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Post by Stuntman on Feb 19, 2021 19:58:13 GMT
Coming back to the original question about which car for a sunny days driver:
If he wants to say "I own a 911" then no Cayman or Boxster will do.
If he wants a car to drive fast down a good road, then the Cayman and Boxster definitely hold loads of appeal.
If a GT4 or Spyder is too firm/too hardcore (and it's definitely too much of these for many) then the 718 GTS 4.0 is definitely in play.
You know what I've done. That is, sell a GT4 to buy a GTS 4.0 and not even consider a 911 for similar money. The 718 is a very nice place to sit, and it's really fast (9.2 to 160 kph, or 99 mph, on Porsche's own figures for the manual gearbox).
I don't like the Pirellis but that's just me. The rest of the car is brilliant and the engine and suspension are very grown-up.
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Post by Alex on Feb 19, 2021 20:26:41 GMT
If Boxster GTS are being advertised at £70k, given the time of year being traditionally bad for sales of soft tops, could it be worth making an offer of £65k to a dealer? Are they likely to bite? Not having ever bought one I'm no expert of course but surely worth a go.
If he sticks 911 will it feel enough of an upgrade to go from 991.1 to 991.2 given the extra cost or would he be better off looking at a dealer stock 992? Their first glut of demonstrators should be coming up for sale by now.
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Post by johnc on Feb 20, 2021 8:03:26 GMT
Coming back to the original question about which car for a sunny days driver: If he wants to say "I own a 911" then no Cayman or Boxster will do. If he wants a car to drive fast down a good road, then the Cayman and Boxster definitely hold loads of appeal. If a GT4 or Spyder is too firm/too hardcore (and it's definitely too much of these for many) then the 718 GTS 4.0 is definitely in play. You know what I've done. That is, sell a GT4 to buy a GTS 4.0 and not even consider a 911 for similar money. The 718 is a very nice place to sit, and it's really fast (9.2 to 160 kph, or 99 mph, on Porsche's own figures for the manual gearbox). I don't like the Pirellis but that's just me. The rest of the car is brilliant and the engine and suspension are very grown-up. I think the "I own a 911" is more of an issue for his wife than my friend. He had 2 Boxsters before the 911 and he would happily have another but it has to have 6 cylinders. I sat in a 718 Boxster at the Porsche dealer recently and it is significantly larger than the older versions and has a real feeling of quality. Sitting behind the wheel it doesn't feel greatly different from a 911. The Pirellis are a Jekyll & Hyde tyre. As soon as it warms up you will find shed loads more grip and feel. |
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Post by johnc on Feb 20, 2021 8:12:34 GMT
If Boxster GTS are being advertised at £70k, given the time of year being traditionally bad for sales of soft tops, could it be worth making an offer of £65k to a dealer? Are they likely to bite? Not having ever bought one I'm no expert of course but surely worth a go. If he sticks 911 will it feel enough of an upgrade to go from 991.1 to 991.2 given the extra cost or would he be better off looking at a dealer stock 992? Their first glut of demonstrators should be coming up for sale by now. The sales of the 991.2 are slowing down because they are fairly heavily priced (as Ed said) but new cars are disappearing out of Porsche dealers as fast as they can get them. There is a bit of discount available but I doubt they would move £5K on a £70K car. I probably do too much financial/economics reading for my own good but there are several writers suggesting that one of the ways out of the current massive borrowing hole that Governments have got themselves in to might be through allowing inflation to run for a while - if so, car prices will not be coming down. On the other hand there are those saying we are on the edge of a massive crash in the markets and a shrinking of the economy, in which case there will be bargains to be had. Toss a coin time! |
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