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Post by Martin on Feb 20, 2021 8:16:08 GMT
Another friend was trying to persuade him to get an M2 Comp but he said "it's really nice but it's not a Porsche". Over the near 6 years he had his 911 it cost him c£3,000 a year in depreciation which I think is one of his motivating factors. It's hard to think of many (any) other cars which can give the performance and kudos of a Porsche and yet cost so little. Very hard to think of anything! The Golf has done better than expected but is more than that, although I assume the cost per mile is better but it still makes the 911 a huge bargain as you can’t compare it to a Golf. I won’t even think about my cars, as I could have a small fleet of 911s.... |
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Post by johnc on Feb 20, 2021 8:54:41 GMT
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Post by johnc on Feb 20, 2021 8:55:47 GMT
Another friend was trying to persuade him to get an M2 Comp but he said "it's really nice but it's not a Porsche". Over the near 6 years he had his 911 it cost him c£3,000 a year in depreciation which I think is one of his motivating factors. It's hard to think of many (any) other cars which can give the performance and kudos of a Porsche and yet cost so little. Very hard to think of anything! The Golf has done better than expected but is more than that, although I assume the cost per mile is better but it still makes the 911 a huge bargain as you can’t compare it to a Golf. I won’t even think about my cars, as I could have a small fleet of 911s.... It does cost him £2K every time it goes in for a service though!! |
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Post by garry on Feb 20, 2021 9:12:37 GMT
Very hard to think of anything! The Golf has done better than expected but is more than that, although I assume the cost per mile is better but it still makes the 911 a huge bargain as you can’t compare it to a Golf. I won’t even think about my cars, as I could have a small fleet of 911s.... It does cost him £2K every time it goes in for a service though!! Really? I’ve never had a service bill even near £1k |
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Post by Martin on Feb 20, 2021 9:16:30 GMT
Very hard to think of anything! The Golf has done better than expected but is more than that, although I assume the cost per mile is better but it still makes the 911 a huge bargain as you can’t compare it to a Golf. I won’t even think about my cars, as I could have a small fleet of 911s.... It does cost him £2K every time it goes in for a service though!! That is every 2 years, but does seems very high as Porsche drop the cost when the new model comes out. I’d be surprised if a major service was any more than £1k, so sub £2k (£1,600?) for 4 years which is good value. I won’t keep mine that long but I think it would be close to £3,000 over 4 years, maybe more if one of those is a biggie. |
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Post by Martin on Feb 20, 2021 9:22:24 GMT
If it’s out of warranty, then a good specialist will be a lot cheaper. My local one, who have a great reputation and we used for fitting genuine brakes and an alignment, would charge £426 for a major service. If you got hit for spark plugs, air filters and brake fluid which is the worst case, it’s £820 all in.
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Post by garry on Feb 20, 2021 9:24:54 GMT
Coming back to the original question about which car for a sunny days driver: If he wants to say "I own a 911" then no Cayman or Boxster will do. If he wants a car to drive fast down a good road, then the Cayman and Boxster definitely hold loads of appeal. If a GT4 or Spyder is too firm/too hardcore (and it's definitely too much of these for many) then the 718 GTS 4.0 is definitely in play. You know what I've done. That is, sell a GT4 to buy a GTS 4.0 and not even consider a 911 for similar money. The 718 is a very nice place to sit, and it's really fast (9.2 to 160 kph, or 99 mph, on Porsche's own figures for the manual gearbox). I don't like the Pirellis but that's just me. The rest of the car is brilliant and the engine and suspension are very grown-up. This makes a lot of sense. Although one thing I’d add into the mix is the extra practicality of the 911. For me, the rear seats mean the 911 can get used more often. It’s helped by having a family that’s small (my partner is only 5ft tall, as is my 17 year old daughter). |
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Post by johnc on Feb 20, 2021 9:38:26 GMT
It does cost him £2K every time it goes in for a service though!! Really? I’ve never had a service bill even near £1k He uses the main Porsche stealers around here and they always find something that needs fixed. |
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Post by Martin on Feb 20, 2021 9:40:04 GMT
Really? I’ve never had a service bill even near £1k He uses the main Porsche stealers around here and they always find something that needs fixed. When he buys another, he needs to find a different dealer! |
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Post by johnc on Feb 20, 2021 9:55:54 GMT
There are 3 dealers across central Scotland. Glasgow and Edinburgh are Sytner owned and Perth is Peter Vardy owned.
Sytner takes no prisoners when it comes to extracting every last penny and I don't believe there is a great deal of difference at Perth although a deal when buying is more likely in Perth I am informed.
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Post by franki68 on Feb 20, 2021 12:20:30 GMT
Safe bet depreciation wise ,just looking at car wows top 10 least depreciating cars and Porsche occupy 6 positions .
The cayman /911 thing ultimately boils down to what he prefers ,they are all great cars ,but the 991.2 gts is significantly quicker than the previous gen or the cayman ,they are as fast as a gt3 on the straights and I think they tested at 3 seconds to 60 and very low 7s to 100 so there is a big performance diffference between that and his current car and boxster/caymans .
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Post by racingteatray on Feb 22, 2021 18:01:39 GMT
Safe bet depreciation wise ,just looking at car wows top 10 least depreciating cars and Porsche occupy 6 positions . The cayman /911 thing ultimately boils down to what he prefers ,they are all great cars ,but the 991.2 gts is significantly quicker than the previous gen or the cayman ,they are as fast as a gt3 on the straights and I think they tested at 3 seconds to 60 and very low 7s to 100 so there is a big performance diffference between that and his current car and boxster/caymans . Although, not to sound all middle-aged, when do you get to use that much performance on the road? My car runs to sixty in about 5 seconds and to be honest it's rare that I ever get to put that to the test. And rarer still that I encounter a situation where I think "drat this car just isn't quick enough". So I'd imagine most of the time any current 911 is going to feel amply rapid? |
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Post by Stuntman on Feb 22, 2021 21:48:53 GMT
Depends what kind of driving you regularly seek out, and on what type of roads.
For example - I reckon a GR Yaris would be faster down a bumpy twisty B-road than any Cayman or 911 and would be more than enough to keep anyone's brain fully occupied. Even more so in the wet.
But on a dry wide straight road, the 991.2 GTS would feel fast when you opened the taps, whereas the Yaris would merely feel brisk.
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Post by johnc on Feb 23, 2021 8:21:23 GMT
I was questioning my neighbour at the weekend about whether he was considering selling his 991.2 GTS but he is keeping it for a very long time and reckons it won't be long before it starts to go up in value as 911's become hybrid and then electric. He then got a bit animated about the 992 and how it had grown in size and how he hates the central brake light on the back, which he thinks should be horizontal instead of vertical and also the new gear stick, which he calls a USB stick. No sale there then!
I check most mornings to see if any new cars come on the market but there seems to be little movement at the moment.
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Post by Tim on Feb 23, 2021 8:47:32 GMT
You know the right answer here is for your friend to get whichever flavour of 911 it is he wants/can afford and not to look at anyhting else, not even a Cayman or Boxster.
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Post by franki68 on Feb 23, 2021 8:51:56 GMT
Safe bet depreciation wise ,just looking at car wows top 10 least depreciating cars and Porsche occupy 6 positions . The cayman /911 thing ultimately boils down to what he prefers ,they are all great cars ,but the 991.2 gts is significantly quicker than the previous gen or the cayman ,they are as fast as a gt3 on the straights and I think they tested at 3 seconds to 60 and very low 7s to 100 so there is a big performance diffference between that and his current car and boxster/caymans . Although, not to sound all middle-aged, when do you get to use that much performance on the road? My car runs to sixty in about 5 seconds and to be honest it's rare that I ever get to put that to the test. And rarer still that I encounter a situation where I think "drat this car just isn't quick enough". So I'd imagine most of the time any current 911 is going to feel amply rapid? Where you live and drive matters ,I think if I still lived in Manchester I wouldn’t have kept the gt3 ,but I can get into the car and find empty roads in minutes here and have fun with the engine . I remember thinking the 997 turbo was too fast but then when I got the r8 I got frustrated by how sluggish the r8 seemed in comparison ,although logically the r8 was as much performance as you can use ,so what you are used to is relevant as well. |
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Post by franki68 on Feb 23, 2021 9:14:57 GMT
Depends what kind of driving you regularly seek out, and on what type of roads. For example - I reckon a GR Yaris would be faster down a bumpy twisty B-road than any Cayman or 911 and would be more than enough to keep anyone's brain fully occupied. Even more so in the wet. But on a dry wide straight road, the 991.2 GTS would feel fast when you opened the taps, whereas the Yaris would merely feel brisk. I see the Japanese are apparently tuning their Yaris’s to 475bhp . |
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Post by garry on Feb 23, 2021 9:23:58 GMT
Re the boxster gts. My local Porsche dealer is quoting a 12 - 18 months wait if I order today. 992 factory order can be had this side of Christmas.
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Post by PetrolEd on Feb 23, 2021 9:34:45 GMT
I was questioning my neighbour at the weekend about whether he was considering selling his 991.2 GTS but he is keeping it for a very long time and reckons it won't be long before it starts to go up in value as 911's become hybrid and then electric. He then got a bit animated about the 992 and how it had grown in size and how he hates the central brake light on the back, which he thinks should be horizontal instead of vertical and also the new gear stick, which he calls a USB stick. No sale there then! I check most mornings to see if any new cars come on the market but there seems to be little movement at the moment. He's not the only one who struggles with the look of the 992 and I would go 991 GTS all day long. Nerd fact, the rear brake light is vertical as when it comes on it lights up as 11. On the grille there are 9 ridges either side, hence 9 11. Bit daft as don't think anyones really cottoned on to that one and therefore just see it as looking a little pony. If you see the back of this 992 you'll see what I mean www.romansinternational.com/used-vehicle-details/Porsche-911-U8741/ |
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Post by johnc on Feb 23, 2021 10:16:53 GMT
Re the boxster gts. My local Porsche dealer is quoting a 12 - 18 months wait if I order today. 992 factory order can be had this side of Christmas. That's little surprise when the price difference is £30-£40K and the Boxster is naturally aspirated. The 911 is pushing the boundaries of affordability for most. |
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Post by garry on Feb 23, 2021 12:33:20 GMT
Re the boxster gts. My local Porsche dealer is quoting a 12 - 18 months wait if I order today. 992 factory order can be had this side of Christmas. That's little surprise when the price difference is £30-£40K and the Boxster is naturally aspirated. The 911 is pushing the boundaries of affordability for most. Just off the phone to my other local Porsche dealer. 911 by August, gts next March. |
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Post by johnc on Feb 23, 2021 12:59:17 GMT
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