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Post by johnc on Jan 29, 2021 18:25:25 GMT
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Post by michael on Jan 29, 2021 18:29:20 GMT
This would be another fine option, especially because it has that 5-pot. The only thing that unnerves me with an XC60 is that I don't want the constant nagging feeling of impending expense that I could never shake off with the V60 T6 - which proved to be correct. I guess a decent warranty would mitigate that and, of course, the Kuga uses essentially the same AWD gubbins that cost me a fair few quid with the V60 and then cost Volvo Selekt a huge amount when the next owner had it! I don't blame you being wary of the Volvo. They seem to have a scary ability to come up with spectacular bills. The technology will also be out of date in your budget. |
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Post by Martin on Jan 29, 2021 18:49:48 GMT
I can’t really help with the SUV suggestions. I think a 530d (F11 LCI like my 535d) would be a much better option in so many (every!) ways. If it helps, my Dad says they are superb tow cars, great stability / speed / economy. SDV8 Range Rover? That would do the job and then some! My ideal would, of course, be an estate with some poke but Mrs R doesn't like "long cars" as she calls them. She particularly hated the V60 T6 but that was mainly because launching up a road at full bore used to make her feel sick! It would win forum towcar of the year of only it had a towbar! I’m sure she’d get used to it pretty quickly and it would a much nicer place to spend your time pottering up the Motorway at 60mph, or 56mph when one of the faster lorries is overtaking one limited to 54mph! |
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Post by Martin on Jan 29, 2021 18:51:10 GMT
Also, it's a surprisingly capable off roader and the AWD would be great for getting off wet pitches. It is also painfully slow. 12 seconds 0-60. The skin on the rice pudding would remain un-moved. That would be so painful. I can’t remember the last time I’ve had to drive something anywhere near that slow. Thankfully. |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 29, 2021 19:15:55 GMT
The Transits I see pulling caravans are usually white. I suggested a Transit, just to enjoy the looks of horror as we pulled on to a caravan site. A Transit is a good shout though. You could collect a bit of scrap on the way to the campsite. |
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Post by Andy C on Jan 29, 2021 19:23:17 GMT
It is also painfully slow. 12 seconds 0-60. The skin on the rice pudding would remain un-moved. That would be so painful. I can’t remember the last time I’ve had to drive something anywhere near that slow. Thankfully. I think the RAV4 has similar figures. But 0-60 is pointless . It’s fine in gear for what it is thanks to the torque. |
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Post by Martin on Jan 29, 2021 19:45:53 GMT
I suggested a Transit, just to enjoy the looks of horror as we pulled on to a caravan site. A Transit is a good shout though. You could collect a bit of scrap on the way to the campsite. I don’t think they will let you into any half decent caravan site with one, which I think is the same for pickups? |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 29, 2021 19:54:48 GMT
A Transit is a good shout though. You could collect a bit of scrap on the way to the campsite. I don’t think they will let you into any half decent caravan site with one, which I think is the same for pickups? Ah.. but with a caravan pulled by a Transit you can pull up and camp anywhere. No fees required. |
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Post by Martin on Jan 29, 2021 20:05:01 GMT
That would be so painful. I can’t remember the last time I’ve had to drive something anywhere near that slow. Thankfully. I think the RAV4 has similar figures. But 0-60 is pointless . It’s fine in gear for what it is thanks to the torque. Agree that 0-60 is pointless, but that’s really when you’re talking much lower numbers, as initial traction / gearing / gearbox can make a lot more difference than it feels in the road. Something north of 10 seconds is going to feel a bit slow in the normal 30-60mph acceleration range though. With decent torque, when you’re using part throttle pottering around, I’m sure it will feel fine. |
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Post by PG on Jan 29, 2021 20:58:59 GMT
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Post by chipbutty on Jan 29, 2021 21:10:25 GMT
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Post by Andy C on Jan 29, 2021 21:25:38 GMT
That X3 looks utterly dreadful ^
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Post by Andy C on Jan 29, 2021 21:26:17 GMT
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Post by Martin on Jan 29, 2021 21:39:25 GMT
That X3 looks utterly dreadful ^ It does!! |
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Post by Stuntman on Jan 29, 2021 21:44:02 GMT
Would a Kia Sorento be a viable option?
I don't have much experience of cars like this, but I passengered in a work colleague's Sorento in early 2019 and was fairly impressed.
His was white, he had two youngish kids and also use it to tow a caravan.
No idea on prices and specs, but it was good at what it did.
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Post by chipbutty on Jan 30, 2021 8:49:00 GMT
Well it is an x3....
But I like the colour, I like the fact it doesn’t have silly big wheels or m sport lick n stick, and it’s low mileage and in very nice condition. On balance it is no more hideous than an XC60 and the Powertrain is ace.
The Touraeg looks smart and is also very good value.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jan 30, 2021 9:25:11 GMT
That Toureg does look tidy but far bigger than required. If I was going for a big 4x4 then I'd be looking at Discos. And a warranty. The Infinity is a definite no from me. I mean, just look at it. X3, too. Nice drivetrain but it's an X3. F Pace would be lovely but somewhat above budget. That Evoque loojs tidy. It's white, which is a shame, but it looks good. I'd worry about expensive borkage. Out of interest, what's the older SD4 like in the Evoque? And, given the older age and older tech, what's the infotainment like? They weren't great, I thought, in earlier JLR offerings?
The caravan is only 1325kg MTPLM (that's basically weight with all your clobber in it), not a huge twin axle, 8ft wide palace on wheels.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Jan 30, 2021 9:27:12 GMT
The Kuga's interior is so dated, plus I am disappointed with Sync3 as Android Auto doesn't seem to do much. I don't bother using it after having given it a try-out I agree that it is looking a bit old now and is from a previous generation of Ford models but it still looks OK, if a bit over fussy on details. What's the issue around Sync 3? Can you elaborate? |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 30, 2021 9:48:35 GMT
That it’s 8 years old would worry me. |
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Post by Martin on Jan 30, 2021 9:51:22 GMT
That Toureg does look tidy but far bigger than required. If I was going for a big 4x4 then I'd be looking at Discos. And a warranty. The Infinity is a definite no from me. I mean, just look at it. X3, too. Nice drivetrain but it's an X3. F Pace would be lovely but somewhat above budget. That Evoque loojs tidy. It's white, which is a shame, but it looks good. I'd worry about expensive borkage. Out of interest, what's the older SD4 like in the Evoque? And, given the older age and older tech, what's the infotainment like? They weren't great, I thought, in earlier JLR offerings? The caravan is only 1325kg MTPLM (that's basically weight with all your clobber in it), not a huge twin axle, 8ft wide palace on wheels. The older SD4 is much more robust / reliable than the early Ingenium diesels. The infotainment got much better in 2017, easiest way to tall the difference is the newer system has the shortcut buttons across the bottom of the screen. |
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Post by Martin on Jan 30, 2021 9:58:55 GMT
Just had a look and you’d need a MY17 car to get the later infotainment, but it’s only on the higher spec models (look for Touch Pro) which would stretch the budget to £19-20k+. This is the cheapest I can find, it’s another £5k but it’s a lot less than half the age as the one earlier in this thread, so is much better value. www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202010094790535?atmobcid=soc3 |
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Post by Andy C on Jan 30, 2021 11:46:41 GMT
Would a Kia Sorento be a viable option? I don't have much experience of cars like this, but I passengered in a work colleague's Sorento in early 2019 and was fairly impressed. His was white, he had two youngish kids and also use it to tow a caravan. No idea on prices and specs, but it was good at what it did. And the balance of the 7 year warranty left too which would be good |
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Post by Martin on Jan 30, 2021 11:54:56 GMT
Isn’t a Sorrento the same size as a Disco 4, so too big?
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Post by Andy C on Jan 30, 2021 12:02:01 GMT
Isn’t a Sorrento the same size as a Disco 4, so too big? I thought it was Tucson sized (isn’t it the same car underneath?) |
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Post by Alex on Jan 30, 2021 12:04:36 GMT
Estates can do everything a pretend off roader* does, and are usually lighter and thus better on fuel. And better looking. And just better. *Unless you're actually going off road, but you just buy a Disco for that. I think it's the "wife using it as her daily" factor that rules out an estate. Tbh the Sportage seems to be the middle market SUV of choice for the middle classes so it must be doing something right as there's loads of them about. I probably see at least 5 for every 1 Kuga or CX-5. Kia and Hyundai are very generous with the kit count too and have a longer warranty. If you get a 3 year old Sportage you'll still have another 4 years of warranty to go. |
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Post by Martin on Jan 30, 2021 12:12:53 GMT
Isn’t a Sorrento the same size as a Disco 4, so too big? I thought it was Tucson sized (isn’t it the same car underneath?) Just had a look, the 2016 era car is 4.8m long, so it must be the Sportage that’s Tucson underneath. They’re both about 4.5m long. Lindsay’s brother has a Sportage and they really like it, but it did replace a 106 so it was a big step up in every way. |
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Post by Martin on Jan 30, 2021 12:19:38 GMT
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Post by Alex on Jan 30, 2021 12:23:30 GMT
I thought it was Tucson sized (isn’t it the same car underneath?) Just had a look, the 2016 era car is 4.8m long, so it must be the Sportage that’s Tucson underneath. They’re both about 4.5m long. Lindsay’s brother has a Sportage and they really like it, but it did replace a 106 so it was a big step up in every way. Yes Tucson and Sportage are the related models. The Sorento is based on the same platform as the Santa Fe. |
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Post by cbeaks1 on Jan 30, 2021 12:24:48 GMT
The Kuga's interior is so dated, plus I am disappointed with Sync3 as Android Auto doesn't seem to do much. I don't bother using it after having given it a try-out I agree that it is looking a bit old now and is from a previous generation of Ford models but it still looks OK, if a bit over fussy on details. What's the issue around Sync 3? Can you elaborate? Sync 3 is fine. 2 was a lot crappier. If Chris didn’t like android auto that is an android auto issue - it is the same wherever you use it. I quite like CarPlay, as the podcast interface is better. |
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Post by Martin on Jan 30, 2021 12:29:21 GMT
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