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VW ID4
Jan 27, 2021 17:13:26 GMT
Post by ChrisM on Jan 27, 2021 17:13:26 GMT
If I had the money, this just might tempt me to buy electric for the first time
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VW ID4
Jan 28, 2021 7:39:45 GMT
Post by Roadsterstu on Jan 28, 2021 7:39:45 GMT
Where does this leave the Golf? Or does this sound the death knell for the Golf? Or is this going to be the "Golf" of the future?
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VW ID4
Jan 28, 2021 7:46:08 GMT
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Post by ChrisM on Jan 28, 2021 7:46:08 GMT
This is taller, a sort of electric SUV
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VW ID4
Jan 28, 2021 8:39:23 GMT
Post by racingteatray on Jan 28, 2021 8:39:23 GMT
That does seem a wilfully dull way of parting with nearly £50k.
I must be getting old because that looks like a £25k car tops to me.
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VW ID4
Jan 28, 2021 9:14:01 GMT
Post by Martin on Jan 28, 2021 9:14:01 GMT
That does seem a wilfully dull way of parting with nearly £50k. I must be getting old because that looks like a £25k car tops to me. £25k for fairly large (4.7m long, so IPace size) electric car with over 300 miles range and a decent spec? That's not an age thing.....just being out of touch, the most basic 1.0 Golf Life has a list price of £23k. IIRC Fiat want £30k for the top of the range 500 Electric and the ID4 First Edition Performance is £40,800 (list price) less grant, so £37,800 which feels like decent value against other electric cars, that's not far off £30k less than a basic IPace. |
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VW ID4
Jan 28, 2021 9:44:55 GMT
Post by Blarno on Jan 28, 2021 9:44:55 GMT
£23k for a Golf with a 1 litre engine?  That's a lot of money for a washing machine. |
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VW ID4
Jan 28, 2021 11:00:59 GMT
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 28, 2021 11:00:59 GMT
Yes I’ve just seen the Autocar piece on it being £37.5k whereas the previous piece suggested nearer £45k.
That helps.
Yes I’m sure I’m out of touch. But prices have also soared well above the rate of inflation in the last five years.
List price for my car just four years ago was £48k including options. A 2dr coupe M440i optioned to match is £61k!
That’s staggering - a price increase of over a quarter in just four years.
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VW ID4
Jan 28, 2021 11:33:56 GMT
Post by Martin on Jan 28, 2021 11:33:56 GMT
Yes I’ve just seen the Autocar piece on it being £37.5k whereas the previous piece suggested nearer £45k. That helps. Yes I’m sure I’m out of touch. But prices have also soared well above the rate of inflation in the last five years. List price for my car just four years ago was £48k including options. A 2dr coupe M440i optioned to match is £61k! That’s staggering - a price increase of over a quarter in just four years. That's true, prices (list prices anyway) have shot up over the last 4 years. Some of it could be accounted for in the extra safety tech and light hybridisation included, but not much. With your example, the M badge will account for half the increase! |
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VW ID4
Jan 28, 2021 12:12:44 GMT
Post by Tim on Jan 28, 2021 12:12:44 GMT
£40k for a bland crossover/SUV. It'll sell like hot cakes.  |
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VW ID4
Jan 28, 2021 12:24:04 GMT
Post by Blarno on Jan 28, 2021 12:24:04 GMT
£40k for a bland crossover/SUV. It'll sell like hot cakes.
Sadly, you are right.
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VW ID4
Jan 28, 2021 12:37:35 GMT
Post by racingteatray on Jan 28, 2021 12:37:35 GMT
£40k for a bland crossover/SUV. It'll sell like hot cakes. Mind you, is anything selling like hot cakes right now?? |
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VW ID4
Jan 28, 2021 12:56:20 GMT
Post by Tim on Jan 28, 2021 12:56:20 GMT
The salesman we spoke to when we picked the 430 up said they were busy and had been right through.
I think that might be used cars though
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VW ID4
Jan 28, 2021 13:21:03 GMT
Post by Blarno on Jan 28, 2021 13:21:03 GMT
£40k for a bland crossover/SUV. It'll sell like hot cakes. Mind you, is anything selling like hot cakes right now?? We sold more cars during lockdown than we ever have in a similar timeframe. |
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VW ID4
Jan 28, 2021 13:23:01 GMT
Post by Martin on Jan 28, 2021 13:23:01 GMT
Based purely on my Autotrader garage which is emptying daily, decent used cars are selling well.
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VW ID4
Jan 28, 2021 14:06:44 GMT
Post by Tim on Jan 28, 2021 14:06:44 GMT
I think the number of cars for sale on AT has increased significantly in the last 6 months or so, it used to be about 450-475k but it's comfortably over 500k now.
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VW ID4
Jan 28, 2021 14:25:13 GMT
Post by johnc on Jan 28, 2021 14:25:13 GMT
Good quality used cars are commanding a premium just now because the dealers aren't getting good quality trade ins with new car sales (because they are way down). Arnold Clark are paying good money for quality cars as a cash buy because they need to keep the stock moving and the staff employed.
I dare say that the £'s fall against the Euro over the past 3 or 4 years is more than a contributing factor to the increase in the cost of most new German cars. In addition, when you compare what someone has to pay for a car in Continental Europe v UK we do very well - the price increases may also be an attempt to close the gap a bit.
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VW ID4
Jan 28, 2021 16:07:13 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 28, 2021 16:07:13 GMT
Arnold Clark have been on mithering me to let them have my car so they can put me in a newer one for less money.
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VW ID4
Jan 28, 2021 17:02:07 GMT
Post by Tim on Jan 28, 2021 17:02:07 GMT
Do you still have the silver 320 Touring? I can recommend an upgrade to a 430d  |
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VW ID4
Jan 28, 2021 17:46:54 GMT
Post by racingteatray on Jan 28, 2021 17:46:54 GMT
Arnold Clark have been on mithering me to let them have my car so they can put me in a newer one for less money. I guess 320d Tourings are easy to shift. Vines tried many lines of attack when they were trying to interest me in a new BMW last year, but not once did they suggest that I could get in a newer car for less money. |
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VW ID4
Jan 28, 2021 18:45:30 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 28, 2021 18:45:30 GMT
Do you still have the silver 320 Touring? I can recommend an upgrade to a 430d Tempting.... but I do like the Touring shape and how useful it is. Plus I can walk towards it, pop the rear hatch, and the dog will run and jump in. You can also park up and lift the rear glass so he can look out and get fresh air. |
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VW ID4
Jan 28, 2021 18:49:18 GMT
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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 28, 2021 18:49:18 GMT
Do you still have the silver 320 Touring? I can recommend an upgrade to a 430d Tempting.... but I do like the Touring shape and how useful it is. Plus I can walk towards it, pop the rear hatch, and the dog will run and jump in. You can also park up and lift the rear glass so he can look out and get fresh air. 330d Touring it is, then. |
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VW ID4
Jan 28, 2021 18:51:30 GMT
Post by Martin on Jan 28, 2021 18:51:30 GMT
Tempting.... but I do like the Touring shape and how useful it is. Plus I can walk towards it, pop the rear hatch, and the dog will run and jump in. You can also park up and lift the rear glass so he can look out and get fresh air. 330d Touring it is, then. No, 530d Touring, as you get all that plus some more comfort and luxury. |
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VW ID4
Jan 28, 2021 20:08:43 GMT
Post by racingteatray on Jan 28, 2021 20:08:43 GMT
Just a bit too big though.
I really like the 5 to look at inside and out - it's day and night better than the current 3 - but I'd need at least one child to cart around before I could remotely justify the inconvenience of such a large car.
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VW ID4
Jan 28, 2021 20:30:44 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 28, 2021 20:30:44 GMT
330d Touring it is, then. No, 530d Touring, as you get all that plus some more comfort and luxury. The 5 series Touring doesn't look as good as the 3, which is more balanced. |
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VW ID4
Jan 29, 2021 16:42:14 GMT
Post by Roadsterstu on Jan 29, 2021 16:42:14 GMT
Good quality used cars are commanding a premium just now because the dealers aren't getting good quality trade ins with new car sales (because they are way down). Arnold Clark are paying good money for quality cars as a cash buy because they need to keep the stock moving and the staff employed. I dare say that the £'s fall against the Euro over the past 3 or 4 years is more than a contributing factor to the increase in the cost of most new German cars. In addition, when you compare what someone has to pay for a car in Continental Europe v UK we do very well - the price increases may also be an attempt to close the gap a bit. I read late last year that there is expected to be a glut of used cars appearing in early 2021 due to people who have been furloughed or who have sadly last jobs having to offload cars that are on finance, payment holidays coming to an end, etc. I don't know to what extent this will prove to be correct. |
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VW ID4
Jan 29, 2021 17:53:02 GMT
Post by racingteatray on Jan 29, 2021 17:53:02 GMT
No, 530d Touring, as you get all that plus some more comfort and luxury. The 5 series Touring doesn't look as good as the 3, which is more balanced. I assume you mean your F31 generation of 3...even as a Touring, the current G-whateveritis is nowhere near as neat, balanced or cohesive a design...to say nothing of attractiveness. |
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VW ID4
Jan 29, 2021 18:52:37 GMT
Post by Martin on Jan 29, 2021 18:52:37 GMT
The 5 series Touring doesn't look as good as the 3, which is more balanced. I assume you mean your F31 generation of 3...even as a Touring, the current G-whateveritis is nowhere near as neat, balanced or cohesive a design...to say nothing of attractiveness. I assumed the same but he’s still wrong! |
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VW ID4
Jan 29, 2021 19:18:13 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 29, 2021 19:18:13 GMT
I assume you mean your F31 generation of 3...even as a Touring, the current G-whateveritis is nowhere near as neat, balanced or cohesive a design...to say nothing of attractiveness. I assumed the same but he’s still wrong! You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. You’d still be wrong though. |
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VW ID4
Jan 29, 2021 19:46:50 GMT
Post by Martin on Jan 29, 2021 19:46:50 GMT
I assumed the same but he’s still wrong! You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. You’d still be wrong though. Just less wrong than you  |
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VW ID4
Jan 29, 2021 20:22:28 GMT
Post by ChrisM on Jan 29, 2021 20:22:28 GMT
I read late last year that there is expected to be a glut of used cars appearing in early 2021 due to people who have been furloughed or who have sadly last jobs having to offload cars that are on finance, payment holidays coming to an end, etc. I don't know to what extent this will prove to be correct. I think, sadly, that there is a huge ticking timebomb of all sorts of things that will explode when the furlough scheme ends |
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