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Post by PG on Nov 1, 2017 17:52:26 GMT
There must surely be some serious behind closed doors meetings being had between car manufacturers and the Government about this. Jaguar/LR have invested a massive amount into the new diesel engines, as have other manufacturers. The Government make a few poorly considered comments and all of a sudden diesels are dead. The real issue is with older diesels for NOx and older petrols for CO2. One is worse for people and the other is worse for the environment. Pushing people out of diesels into petrol will increase CO2 emissions and reduce NOx emissions but it will also increase the physical consumption of oil.
The Government have tried to backtrack a few times and say Euro 4 diesels and older are the ones they want off the road but the likes of the BBC just state diesels with no differentiation.
Unless there is clear and concise direction from Government, there could be massive financial damage done not only to the motor industry (how many RR's and Discos do you think they would sell if they were all petrols) but also to the economy and to individuals who may have sunk anything from £50K to £80K in to a new diesel car only to find it is basically worthless and unsalable.
As ever, Politicians should think before they open their mouths and changes like the move away from Fossil fuels needs to be planned and smoothed out over many years with no sudden demons being identified erroneously by ill informed comments. The biggest diesel polluters in London are black and taxi shaped but the biggest contributor to NOx emissions is gas fired central heating by some considerable margin. Politicians never think anything through, because if they did they'd maybe realise that each decision has consequences and affects areas they have not even thought about. And that in reality everything they do is for soundbites and quick fixes that don't exist. Like - beat up people for burning fossil fuels; promote diesel to cut CO2; oh my god diesel is killing people; meanwhile we need a lot more houses - so let's builds some; they all have gas central heating that creates CO2 and particulates - these will kill people (but that's OK for now); we could mandate that all new houses had heat pumps and were super-insulated, but that would make them more expensive and we want cheaper houses; but not too cheap or else we'll be fucked by people feeling poorer and being in negative equity; which is why we've left rates at 0.25% for years; which has also contributed to house prices as borrowing is cheap; but cheap money has helped the economy by helping people to borrow for cars on PCP; oh dear that's putting more cars on the road; damn this is complicated stuff...... |
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Post by Tim on Nov 2, 2017 10:41:47 GMT
There must surely be some serious behind closed doors meetings being had between car manufacturers and the Government about this. Jaguar/LR have invested a massive amount into the new diesel engines, as have other manufacturers. The Government make a few poorly considered comments and all of a sudden diesels are dead. The real issue is with older diesels for NOx and older petrols for CO2. One is worse for people and the other is worse for the environment. Pushing people out of diesels into petrol will increase CO2 emissions and reduce NOx emissions but it will also increase the physical consumption of oil.
The Government have tried to backtrack a few times and say Euro 4 diesels and older are the ones they want off the road but the likes of the BBC just state diesels with no differentiation.
Unless there is clear and concise direction from Government, there could be massive financial damage done not only to the motor industry (how many RR's and Discos do you think they would sell if they were all petrols) but also to the economy and to individuals who may have sunk anything from £50K to £80K in to a new diesel car only to find it is basically worthless and unsalable.
As ever, Politicians should think before they open their mouths and changes like the move away from Fossil fuels needs to be planned and smoothed out over many years with no sudden demons being identified erroneously by ill informed comments. The biggest diesel polluters in London are black and taxi shaped but the biggest contributor to NOx emissions is gas fired central heating by some considerable margin. Politicians never think anything through, because if they did they'd maybe realise that each decision has consequences and affects areas they have not even thought about. And that in reality everything they do is for soundbites and quick fixes that don't exist. Like - beat up people for burning fossil fuels; promote diesel to cut CO2; oh my god diesel is killing people; meanwhile we need a lot more houses - so let's builds some; they all have gas central heating that creates CO2 and particulates - these will kill people (but that's OK for now); we could mandate that all new houses had heat pumps and were super-insulated, but that would make them more expensive and we want cheaper houses; but not too cheap or else we'll be fucked by people feeling poorer and being in negative equity; which is why we've left rates at 0.25% for years; which has also contributed to house prices as borrowing is cheap; but cheap money has helped the economy by helping people to borrow for cars on PCP; oh dear that's putting more cars on the road; damn this is complicated stuff...... Let's go on Twitter and create a diversion so we can drop this
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