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Post by racingteatray on Dec 3, 2020 16:03:07 GMT
A topical one today...what if any prep have you needed to do in preparation for 1 January 2021 and our brave new future?
I ask because I suddenly remembered yesterday evening that as of 1/1/21, you need a Green Card and an international driving permit to drive a UK-registered car in mainland Europe.
The Green Card was sorted on a quick call to Admiral this morning and is in the post, and then a quick trip just now to the Post Office (always go mid-afternoon when it's pouring with rain these days because there was no queue) got me a new international driving permit as my previous one had expired (unlike my wife's one which is still valid for another two years - they last for three).
Minor bureaucratic stuff and easily sorted, and not relevant for most people who don't venture past these insular shores with their vehicles. But I bet there is all manner of stuff like this out there just waiting to trip up the unwary or unprepared.
I guess this is more an issue for anyone who works with EU business/suppliers etc. For example, as a lawyer, from 1/1/21, because the law is a heavily regulated profession, I can no longer physically attend meetings located in an EU country unless during those meetings I don't deliver any legal advice (because doing so would be a breach of restrictive local practice laws in countries like France that are trumped by EU laws when it comes to lawyers from other EU member states but not for lawyers from non-EU countries). So we have to completely re-think how we staff certain deals for EU-based clients.
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Post by Blarno on Dec 3, 2020 16:08:35 GMT
Absolutely nothing, not even at work. All my shipping is done via DHL or a freight forwarder, so everything is (hopefully) already in place.
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 3, 2020 16:36:10 GMT
I'd imagine that's the case for many at the moment.
I just had a "ahh crap" moment when I remembered yesterday, since (Covid restrictions in both countries permitting) my wife wants to go back to Italy for Christmas and NY, and the car is really the most secure way of doing it (plus the flights and car hire prices this year are all truly astronomical at the moment).
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Post by ChrisM on Dec 3, 2020 16:40:20 GMT
Where do you get a 3 year IDP from? When I have got mine at the post office, they are only for one year. But there are 2 types, sonis one valid for 3 times the length of the other?
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Post by michael on Dec 3, 2020 16:52:39 GMT
Nothing at all. I can't for the life of me understand why the lawyers of remain couldn't win over the hearts and minds of these insular shores in order to support their cause.
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 3, 2020 16:53:02 GMT
Where do you get a 3 year IDP from? When I have got mine at the post office, they are only for one year. But there are 2 types, sonis one valid for 3 times the length of the other? The Post Office. She did say there were two types depending on where you are going. For mainland Europe, it lasts three years. From memory, for Russia I needed the other sort which needed renewing annually. |
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Post by Big Blue on Dec 3, 2020 16:58:15 GMT
I’ll need to do the license thing.
Then I’ll have to do the residency stuff for Mother but the .gouv.fr site not helping at present.
Then I’ll have to do some tax stuff for Mother as the cross border tax regs will change.
Daughters need Slovak passports (they are dual nationality).
W2.1 has already done her right to reside stuff in the UK.
Then I’ll have time to find some Brexit-voting neighbours and raze their houses to the ground.
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 3, 2020 17:02:39 GMT
Nothing at all. I can't for the life of me understand why the lawyers of remain couldn't win over the hearts and minds of these insular shores in order to support their cause. Drone on if you want. That wasn't my point. But, since you raised, yes you clearly do understand. There was a huge element of sticking two fingers up to the perceived establishment by people whose lives are tough and who were receptive to the notion of Brexit as a solution. And that sector of society never was and never will be interested in listening to anything anyone like me has to say, no matter how I say it or how well-founded my arguments or concerns might be. This is way beyond logic. As the old adage goes, "you can drag a horse to water but you cannot make it drink". |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 3, 2020 17:03:00 GMT
Nothing for us. Most of our exports are to Brazil and Malaysia, with some to the US and Norway. Any small amount of EU red tape will be picked up by the freight forwarders - it's why we pay them.
No matter which way the good ship UK has been steered over the last 47 years Brexit was always going to be the iceberg we foundered on. Sooner or later it was going to get us. We might as well sup up and get on with it as no amount of whining will change the result of a referendum 3 years ago. Trump is having the same difficulty and he seems to be going down the same route, calling for a Peoples' Vote. He'll have similar success.
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Post by michael on Dec 3, 2020 17:05:10 GMT
And how does that establishment feel for its part in delivering no deal Brexit? Had Gina Miller and her funders not interfered, to the extent compromise became impossible, May's deal would have passed. The vote was a mistake, the subsequent actions have been a disaster.
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Post by Martin on Dec 3, 2020 17:21:10 GMT
We've had to create space for additional stock holding and changed the process (mainly around manifests) for the stock we send to stores in Ireland and a couple more dull things, but that's about it.
Nothing for personal reasons.
At least the £350m a week extra for the NHS will help with COVID/delivering vaccinations.......
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Post by Tim on Dec 3, 2020 17:25:14 GMT
Done nothing personally or at work.
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 3, 2020 17:30:55 GMT
And how does that establishment feel for its part in delivering no deal Brexit? Had Gina Miller and her funders not interfered, to the extent compromise became impossible, May's deal would have passed. The vote was a mistake, the subsequent actions have been a disaster. Indeed, the bit that's been a disaster is the bit that's been handled by the Brexiteers once they had defenestrated the insufficiently Brexity Mrs May. We could all have voted for Brexit. Every single last one of us. I don't think it would make it any less of a perverse decision. By the way, in London, rumours have started flying around that it's come to light that Boris had an affair whilst la Carrie was pregnant and that's why she now has his nuts in a locked safe and is starting to call shots in the background, such as (a) the defenestration of Cummings and Cain and (b) all this sudden interest in environmentalism. |
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Post by johnc on Dec 3, 2020 17:35:15 GMT
If we didn't know he was a stupid man before, we do now!
Back to an earlier topic: is an International Driving Permit now required if you hire a car in an EU country?
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 3, 2020 17:36:21 GMT
If we didn't know he was a stupid man before, we do now! Back to an earlier topic: is an International Driving Permit now required if you hire a car in an EU country? Yes, that's my understanding. Because it relates to your licence not your car. |
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Post by Martin on Dec 3, 2020 17:38:06 GMT
If we didn't know he was a stupid man before, we do now! Back to an earlier topic: is an International Driving Permit now required if you hire a car in an EU country? I don't think we know yet, but (hopefully) I'll be in a hire car at the end of Jan, so I keep checking. I've had several IDP's over the years due to hiring cars in countries that are supposed to require them, but I've never needed to show it to anyone. |
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Post by michael on Dec 3, 2020 17:42:39 GMT
And how does that establishment feel for its part in delivering no deal Brexit? Had Gina Miller and her funders not interfered, to the extent compromise became impossible, May's deal would have passed. The vote was a mistake, the subsequent actions have been a disaster. Indeed, the bit that's been a disaster is the bit that's been handled by the Brexiteers once they had defenestrated the insufficiently Brexity Mrs May. We could all have voted for Brexit. Every single last one of us. I don't think it would make it any less of a perverse decision. By the way, in London, rumours have started flying around that it's come to light that Boris had an affair whilst la Carrie was pregnant and that's why she now has his nuts in a locked safe and is starting to call shots in the background, such as (a) the defenestration of Cummings and Cain and (b) all this sudden interest in environmentalism. Funnily enough I wasn’t talking about the Brexiteers. Their goal has always been clear but I do feel those involved with the legal chicanery to try and overturn the result will ever accept their responsibility in how we have ended up where we are. No deal is largely thanks to Gina Miller. |
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 3, 2020 17:44:26 GMT
Indeed, the bit that's been a disaster is the bit that's been handled by the Brexiteers once they had defenestrated the insufficiently Brexity Mrs May. We could all have voted for Brexit. Every single last one of us. I don't think it would make it any less of a perverse decision. By the way, in London, rumours have started flying around that it's come to light that Boris had an affair whilst la Carrie was pregnant and that's why she now has his nuts in a locked safe and is starting to call shots in the background, such as (a) the defenestration of Cummings and Cain and (b) all this sudden interest in environmentalism. Funnily enough I wasn’t talking about the Brexiteers. Their goal has always been clear but I do feel those involved with the legal chicanery to try and overturn the result will ever accept their responsibility in how we have ended up where we are. No deal is largely thanks to Gina Miller. In your opinion. Personally I blame the Tory party's inability to control itself. It's no longer fit for purpose and should split. |
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Post by michael on Dec 3, 2020 17:47:11 GMT
Into what? It’s united in Brexit. The no deal outcome would never have happened without the legal action but then Brexit would never happened if the EU hadn’t been so dogmatic and the remain campaign been so bone-headed.
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 3, 2020 17:51:47 GMT
If we didn't know he was a stupid man before, we do now! Back to an earlier topic: is an International Driving Permit now required if you hire a car in an EU country? I don't think we know yet, but (hopefully) I'll be in a hire car at the end of Jan, so I keep checking. I've had several IDP's over the years due to hiring cars in countries that are supposed to require them, but I've never needed to show it to anyone. I believe you still aren't limited in the number you can have at once - they are extremely Mickey Mouse documents that look like they should be in a museum exhibit of circa WW2-era paperwork. I used to hand one over to Russian traffic policemen whenever stopped and enjoy the bafflement on their faces when they would pocket it and say " right you're not getting that back until you give me some vast amount of roubles", to which I would reply something along the lines of " that's fine, I have several other original copies and if I run out I can get another one from the British authorities same-day". For petty officials drilled in the appalling ex-Soviet labyrinthe that is Russian bureaucracy that was just fully impossible to comprehend. At that point we'd usually compromise on a much smaller amount of roubles and sometimes I got the IDP back and sometimes I didn't. |
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 3, 2020 17:53:36 GMT
Into what? It’s united in Brexit. The no deal outcome would never have happened without the legal action but then Brexit would never happened if the EU hadn’t been so dogmatic and the remain campaign been so bone-headed. I noted a long time ago that it's completely pointless to argue with anyone who is an active member of any political party, particularly if you are critical of said political party, so I'm stopping here. This is not a topic we are ever going to see eye to eye on. |
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Post by michael on Dec 3, 2020 17:54:43 GMT
Into what? It’s united in Brexit. The no deal outcome would never have happened without the legal action but then Brexit would never happened if the EU hadn’t been so dogmatic and the remain campaign been so bone-headed. I noted a long time ago that it's completely pointless to argue with anyone who is an active member of any political party, particularly if you are critical of said political party, so I'm stopping here. This is not a topic we are ever going to see eye to eye on. It helps if you have an argument but hey-ho. |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 3, 2020 18:09:34 GMT
Into what? It’s united in Brexit. The no deal outcome would never have happened without the legal action but then Brexit would never happened if the EU hadn’t been so dogmatic and the remain campaign been so bone-headed. Even as someone who voted remain I have to agree with that but I suspect there will never be a consensus surrounding this topic. Then again, seeing as what is happening in Poland and Hungary maybe we're better off out of it. |
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 3, 2020 18:46:24 GMT
Into what? It’s united in Brexit. The no deal outcome would never have happened without the legal action but then Brexit would never happened if the EU hadn’t been so dogmatic and the remain campaign been so bone-headed. Even as someone who voted remain I have to agree with that but I suspect there will never be a consensus surrounding this topic. Then again, seeing as what is happening in Poland and Hungary maybe we're better off out of it. The Italians are absolutely doing their nuts because the extreme right-wingers in Poland and Hungary blocked the multi-trillion COVID-19 EU bailout because accessing it was linked to respecting the rule of law... www.politico.eu/article/eu-in-crisis-over-hungary-poland-budget-hold-up/ |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 3, 2020 18:56:25 GMT
Even as someone who voted remain I have to agree with that but I suspect there will never be a consensus surrounding this topic. Then again, seeing as what is happening in Poland and Hungary maybe we're better off out of it. The Italians are absolutely doing their nuts because the extreme right-wingers in Poland and Hungary blocked the multi-trillion COVID-19 EU bailout because accessing it was linked to respecting the rule of law... www.politico.eu/article/eu-in-crisis-over-hungary-poland-budget-hold-up/Yes my Italian friends are not happy as they’ve had no government help through the whole pandemic but, unfortunately, a herd can only move at the speed of its slowest members. |
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Post by PG on Dec 3, 2020 20:44:50 GMT
Leaving Brexit to one side, the EU has two huge other issues that it is utterly failing to address in any meaningful way. Much as it stuck its head in the sand about Cameron's desires for changes to free movement. Firstly the North-South financial divide created by the structure of the Euro and secondly the West-East cultural divide created by the post-communist East's desire to deal with a lot of issues very differently to the West. |
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Post by chipbutty on Dec 3, 2020 22:01:24 GMT
I’ve done nothing personally yet, but thanks for the indirect heads up on IDPs
Reading through some of the work travel advice, I think I need to renew my passport ahead of schedule (need 12 months remaining to travel on it I think) The rules around visas sound like a monstrous faf, so I suspect EU trips will drop regardless of the Covid situation due to the faffery involved.
Obviously, outside of my own little work pond, Brexit is a huge concern for my employer. All the various outcomes have been modelled and the bulk of them are turd shaped, but even if by some minor miracle a fiscal shoeing is avoided, the extra bureaucracy is just going to be a titanic pain in the arse.
If and when travel resumes for work and pleasure, I expect it to be a good deal more unpleasant than usual (I hate airports, passport control, etc).
Oh goody (said no one, ever).
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 3, 2020 22:31:12 GMT
I had to renew my passport last year and purely by chance was just in time to get one of the last burgundy ones that still says European Union at the top of the front cover. My wife got her British passport around the same time and it also references the EU on the front cover. As it happens I don't really much care about the colour of my passport or what it says on the front, but on the other hand if, between now and 2029 when it runs out, that ever annoys even so much as one Brexiteer, then that would be of course be a welcome bonus.
However (and it must be admitted that this is highly ironic), ever since I originally moved to Russia in 2006 and started needing somewhere handy to keep small travel paraphernalia like vaccine cards, medical cards, car rental cards, lounge access cards etc, I've kept my passport in a smart red leather passport cover from Smythson.
The irony is that smart it may be but it is also, now that I reconsider it, the sort of thing to make Nigel Farage's ale-marinated nationalist heart leap for joy, as while it has gold lettering on the front cover replicating the standard wording on the front of a British passport, the words "European Union" are missing and, in place of the usual British coat of arms, it has the three lions of England.
At least it isn't dark blue!!
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 3, 2020 22:55:22 GMT
I've never understood this obsession with passports of any colour. It's just a document to get me to where I want to go - it could be sky blue pink bearing the coat of arms of the UK lesbian chess team for all I care. I find people who attach any importance of whether it says EU or UK just weird.
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 3, 2020 23:50:41 GMT
I've never understood this obsession with passports of any colour. It's just a document to get me to where I want to go - it could be sky blue pink bearing the coat of arms of the UK lesbian chess team for all I care. I find people who attach any importance of whether it says EU or UK just weird.  Well Mrs Handbag knows what to get you for Christmas then! But, yes, I am with you entirely on this. All too Rees-Moggish by half. |
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Well Mrs Handbag knows what to get you for Christmas then!