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Post by PetrolEd on Sept 16, 2020 8:49:19 GMT
Its why you need to steer clear of all the frippery gayness. Once you get used to all these surround cameras, massaging seats, self starting, self heating boxes you'll never be able to go back to something fun again. You end up getting addicted to all these toys that the search for the new car ends up near impossible There's more chat on how electrically adjustable your seats are then which one handles better, looks better and goes better. I'm off to start a back to basics campaign. Martin you need 6 months in an Alpine or billy bob basic Boxster for penance.  |
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Post by Martin on Sept 16, 2020 8:57:02 GMT
Its why you need to steer clear of all the frippery gayness. Once you get used to all these surround cameras, massaging seats, self starting, self heating boxes you'll never be able to go back to something fun again. You end up getting addicted to all these toys that the search for the new car ends up near impossible There's more chat on how electrically adjustable your seats are then which one handles better, looks better and goes better. I'm off to start a back to basics campaign. Martin you need 6 months in an Alpine or billy bob basic Boxster for penance. You are right, it does create a problem and it is FG on a sports car / toy, but when you use the car a lot and regularly undertake long journeys they do all make it a much more pleasurable experience. Handling and performance aren’t much use on a 60mph on the M1..... And we’re talking about a mid size SUV, not a GT3. That’s why one car garages are always a compromise. I took the Golf to Enfield on Monday, even though I knew it was going to be hot and I’d be in a lot of traffic at the bottom of the A1 and on the M25, as I love the B645 to St Neots, especially at 6am when it’s quieter. That part of the journey would have been even better in an Alpine or basic Boxster, but Imdid appreciate the voodoo cruise in the traffic later on! People in glass houses though.... you went for the top spec Ovlov!  |
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Post by racingteatray on Sept 16, 2020 9:08:51 GMT
I've thought about this. Obviously what I'd really like a nice sports car, which is why I'm rather lukewarm about these SUVs.
But if the choice is fancy sports car plus eg Fiat 500X, and then we end up driving across Europe annually in a 500X, then I'm less convinced.
At that point, my brain tells me it makes more sense to have a plush cruiser and something like an MX5 instead of our current 500.
And to be honest, a good chunk of the reason for that is that I just don't get many opportunities to drive for fun as a Londoner, so a whizz-bang sportscar risks being a bit of a white elephant.
Also part of the problem is my wife is allergic to "old" cars for reasons not entirely rational. For example, she thinks nothing of the fact that her car (bought new) is now nearly 7yrs old but would resist buying a car that was 7yrs old on the grounds that it was old.
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Post by Big Blue on Sept 16, 2020 9:50:28 GMT
Apparently all old cars "stink of petrol inside".
All of them.
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Post by PetrolEd on Sept 16, 2020 9:51:20 GMT
Its why you need to steer clear of all the frippery gayness. Once you get used to all these surround cameras, massaging seats, self starting, self heating boxes you'll never be able to go back to something fun again. You end up getting addicted to all these toys that the search for the new car ends up near impossible There's more chat on how electrically adjustable your seats are then which one handles better, looks better and goes better. I'm off to start a back to basics campaign. Martin you need 6 months in an Alpine or billy bob basic Boxster for penance. People in glass houses though.... you went for the top spec Ovlov! D'oh  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 11:27:49 GMT
"Apparently all old cars "stink of petrol inside".
All of them".
Not sure about all of them but Bess does, more some times than others.
As for FG, none of that in Bess, not even a heater.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Sept 16, 2020 11:38:58 GMT
"Apparently all old cars "stink of petrol inside". All of them". Not sure about all of them but Bess does, more some times than others. As for FG, none of that in Bess, not even a heater. Usually smoking a strong Gauloise cigarette will hide an overpowering smell of petrol. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 11:49:48 GMT
I usually rely on my bare feet for that.
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Post by ChrisM on Sept 16, 2020 11:59:42 GMT
Apparently all old cars "stink of petrol inside". All of them. Even diesels and Teslas ?? |
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Post by Big Blue on Sept 16, 2020 12:30:54 GMT
Apparently all old cars "stink of petrol inside". All of them. Even diesels and Teslas ?? No Tesla will survive long enough to be "old" as the battery pack will be prohibitively expensive to replace. Diesels the same: no one is storing up diesel engined cars as future classics. |
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Post by PG on Sept 16, 2020 12:34:30 GMT
Also part of the problem is my wife is allergic to "old" cars for reasons not entirely rational. For example, she thinks nothing of the fact that her car (bought new) is now nearly 7yrs old but would resist buying a car that was 7yrs old on the grounds that it was old. I think a lot of women are allergic to old cars. But if they've had it from new / nearly new, that's different.... feminine logic... |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Sept 16, 2020 12:58:00 GMT
Apparently all old cars "stink of petrol inside". All of them. Even diesels and Teslas ?? Yes, just before you throw the match in. |
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Post by Blarno on Sept 16, 2020 14:22:46 GMT
Apparently all old cars "stink of petrol inside". All of them. The E Type we had at work today certainly did, and all the better for it. |
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Post by racingteatray on Sept 16, 2020 19:42:32 GMT
Also part of the problem is my wife is allergic to "old" cars for reasons not entirely rational. For example, she thinks nothing of the fact that her car (bought new) is now nearly 7yrs old but would resist buying a car that was 7yrs old on the grounds that it was old. I think a lot of women are allergic to old cars. But if they've had it from new / nearly new, that's different.... feminine logic... Well indeed. To be fair on her, my wife was fond of the Z1. Hard not to be I suppose. But she did used to say it smelt old inside. |
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Post by ChrisM on Sept 16, 2020 19:56:34 GMT
Apparently all old cars "stink of petrol inside". All of them. The E Type we had at work today certainly did, and all the better for it. Are you converting it to be a single-seater ?? |
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Post by michael on Dec 3, 2020 14:28:30 GMT
The updated F-Pace SVR is now on the Jaguar configurator. It's so good to see a car available in a choice of colours. It actually looks great in yellow (probably more so in California or somewhere nearer the equator).
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Post by Martin on Dec 3, 2020 15:05:08 GMT
The updated F-Pace SVR is now on the Jaguar configurator. It's so good to see a car available in a choice of colours. It actually looks great in yellow (probably more so in California or somewhere nearer the equator). Yes, but they're £4.6k each! My positive takeaway was that you can upgrade to semi-aniline leather for £1,100, but that does reduce the colour choice to black or oyster. For a £75k car, there are some things that should be standard (panoramic roof, decent headlights and stereo), so 'my spec' would be £86.5k less whatever discount they offer. |
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 3, 2020 16:30:13 GMT
I rather fancy an F-Pace and Mrs RT didn't go "eww" when I pointed one out.
I was interested to hear my best man and his wife say the other day that they had tried both the Velar and the F-Pace (each in 3.0d guise), and had found the latter considerably nicer to drive, which is why they had bought an F-Pace. She's very much the keen driver out of the two of them, but even he said that on the country roads in the Cotswolds where they test-drove them, the Velar just felt wallowy by comparison to the Jag.
But they are just very pricey with the sort of engine and spec I'd want.
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Post by michael on Dec 3, 2020 16:36:28 GMT
Was the Velar they test drove on air suspension?
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 3, 2020 16:37:33 GMT
That is not a question I thought to ask.
I admit I didn't find the two I drove (in Italy and in London) very wallowy and they were both steel-suspended.
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Post by michael on Dec 3, 2020 16:44:10 GMT
I've only been driven in an F-Pace and never a Velar so I couldn't possibly comment but I'd imagine that could have something to do with it.
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Post by Martin on Dec 3, 2020 17:11:12 GMT
Was the Velar they test drove on air suspension? That was my first thought. Every car I've driven with air suspension (even a Cayenne Turbo) has felt 'wallowy' in normal/comfort mode. It's something you get used to and it solved by either moving from comfort to normal/voodoo/sport/dynamic mode (depends on the car) and you really appreciate it around town and on the motorway, but it does feel quite different to a 'normal' car at first. |
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 3, 2020 17:22:04 GMT
Interesting I just configured both a Velar and F-Pace in P400 guise and while there is a circa £5k difference in the final "with options" price, the monthlies on the Velar are only £9/month more compared to the F-Pace. Mainly explained by a higher GFV on the Velar and a slightly bigger discount on the Velar.
I also noticed a very weird pricing discrepancy between the two sibling brands that smacks on price-gouging by Land Rover:- on the Velar, the six-cylinder P400 MHEV lists at fully £5.5k more than the four-cylinder P400e PHEV version. But the six-cylinder P400 MHEV F-Pace costs just £155 more than the four-cylinder P400e PHEV version.
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Post by Martin on Dec 3, 2020 17:25:48 GMT
Interesting I just configured both a Velar and F-Pace in P400 guise and while there is a circa £5k difference in the final "with options" price, the monthlies on the Velar are only £9/month more compared to the F-Pace. Mainly explained by a higher GFV on the Velar and a slightly bigger discount on the Velar. I also noticed a very weird pricing discrepancy between the two sibling brands that smacks on price-gouging by Land Rover:- on the Velar, the six-cylinder P400 MHEV lists at fully £5.5k more than the four-cylinder P400e PHEV version. But the six-cylinder P400 MHEV F-Pace costs just £155 more than the four-cylinder P400e PHEV version. It was the other way around on the SVRs when I looked earlier in the year, the F-Pace was a couple of £hundred a month cheaper. The Velar would have been worth the extra at the time, but the new F-Pace interior might have changed that. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Dec 3, 2020 18:26:32 GMT
Was the Velar they test drove on air suspension? That was my first thought. Every car I've driven with air suspension (even a Cayenne Turbo) has felt 'wallowy' in normal/comfort mode. It's something you get used to and it solved by either moving from comfort to normal/voodoo/sport/dynamic mode (depends on the car) and you really appreciate it around town and on the motorway, but it does feel quite different to a 'normal' car at first. This is exactly the case with my Benz. Comfort mode is lush for pootling, with Sport absolutely necessary when pressing on. |
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Post by PG on Dec 3, 2020 20:28:52 GMT
The updated F-Pace SVR is now on the Jaguar configurator. It's so good to see a car available in a choice of colours. It actually looks great in yellow (probably more so in California or somewhere nearer the equator). Yes, but they're £4.6k each! My positive takeaway was that you can upgrade to semi-aniline leather for £1,100, but that does reduce the colour choice to black or oyster. For a £75k car, there are some things that should be standard (panoramic roof, decent headlights and stereo), so 'my spec' would be £86.5k less whatever discount they offer. I just upgraded the stereo, so I'm a cheapskate really. |
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Post by chipbutty on Dec 3, 2020 22:09:59 GMT
build.jaguar/8D9635B4Done A whisker under £80k I’ve gone off panoramic roofs, I always keep the blind shut. I would love one in Sorrento Gold but not at 4.6 bags..
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 3, 2020 22:34:15 GMT
build.jaguar/8D9635B4Done A whisker under £80k I’ve gone off panoramic roofs, I always keep the blind shut. I would love one in Sorrento Gold but not at 4.6 bags.. Ditto BRG. But the interior options on the SVR irritate me - I don't like suedecloth at all - dreadful stuff. And it annoys me that I have to choose between nasty metal trim or teenager carbon-fibre trim for the dashboard. Since lesser F-Paces can be had with full leather and other dashboard trim options, why limit the choice on the SVR? Any insider track why the P400 and P400e versions of the F-Type are priced near as dammit identically but L-R soaks you for £5.5k more for a P400 Velar than a P400e Velar? |
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Post by Martin on Dec 4, 2020 6:53:44 GMT
build.jaguar/8D9635B4Done A whisker under £80k I’ve gone off panoramic roofs, I always keep the blind shut. I would love one in Sorrento Gold but not at 4.6 bags.. I wouldn’t be without a panoramic roof, but the big miss from your spec is voodoo lights. The Golf has decent LEDs which are very bright on main beam (as it has 4 individual light units), but they do frustrate me at this time of year, I wouldn’t buy a car without voodoo lights again. |
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Post by chipbutty on Dec 4, 2020 8:41:22 GMT
It’s awful on seats, steering wheels and gear knobs, but it’s an absolute delight as a roof lining.
As for the pricing conundrum, I have no idea. I am sure there are charts and graphs somewhere that point to market positioning, etc, but it’s a dark art. I have to deal with the intricacies of EU market pricing and taxation that impacts the consumer list price and that is definitely a trip to weirdsville.
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