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Post by PG on Sept 15, 2020 8:08:49 GMT
Updated F-Pace in the press this morning - www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/updated-jaguar-f-pace-gains-new-interior-and-plug-hybridExterior tweaks Big interior upgrade New 6 cylinder engines, including the 400hp petrol 6-er (same engine as in RRS). New PHEV (same P400e engine as in RRS). Doesn't seem to on the configurator yet.   Seems like Jaguar may be starting to get their shit together on interiors again. Plus it seems a dose of honesty too. As interior design chief Alister Whelan put it: “When the interior [of the outgoing F-Pace] came out, it was a good interior but not a great interior. We really needed to take it to the next level.”
Whelan cited three key criticisms of the interior from customer feedback: too many hard plastics, limited storage and the infotainment system, all of which the brand believes it has addressed here.
“There are no scratchy plastics in this car anywhere,” said Whelan. Alongside better-quality trim, the F-Pace adopts the I-Pace’s steering wheel and luxury headrests from Range Rovers. “The comfort of this interior [versus the old car’s] is chalk and cheese,” said Whelan. "
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Post by chipbutty on Sept 15, 2020 8:49:00 GMT
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Post by Big Blue on Sept 15, 2020 9:11:00 GMT
Are you going to wait for the big engined one, Chip? |
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Post by franki68 on Sept 15, 2020 10:01:11 GMT
Looks like a big interior improvement although the way things are going with touch screen we are going to have 42inch Samsung tv screen appearing in a car soon
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Post by chipbutty on Sept 15, 2020 10:09:38 GMT
I will petition the exec committee that a P400 F-Pace would be a fine alternative to an RRS (when the time comes).
SVR = VVIP only
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Post by johnc on Sept 15, 2020 11:21:09 GMT
Looks like a big interior improvement although the way things are going with touch screen we are going to have 42inch Samsung tv screen appearing in a car soon Surely someone somewhere is going to make touchscreens illegal especially where controls are buried 2 or 3 screens in. All cars should have an i-drive controller or similar and touch screen should only be used by the passenger or when parked. |
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Post by michael on Sept 15, 2020 15:13:40 GMT
That’s gone from zero to hero in one move. That’s suddenly become very desirable, I hope it sells by the truckload and becomes the success JLR deserves.
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Post by racingteatray on Sept 15, 2020 15:23:04 GMT
I like that.
Only the fact that the screen isn't embedded flush in the dashboard (presumably a sensible cost-cutting measure to avoid a more thorough re-engineering of the centre console) looks faintly aftermarket.
Pricey though. Once I'd finished with the configurator, an F-Pace P400 (the straight six one, not the augmented hairdryer version) would set me back nearly £70k specced to my liking - nearly £5k more than my preferred spec Macan GTS and yet one suspects woeful residuals.
Plus the only alloy option I actively like that then doesn't look a bit small is 22" and that's both a silly size and obnoxiously expensive. With those it was north of £71k.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 15:48:58 GMT
I added a few bits and came up with just over £71k with the P400.
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Post by Martin on Sept 15, 2020 16:13:56 GMT
I like that. Only the fact that the screen isn't embedded flush in the dashboard (presumably a sensible cost-cutting measure to avoid a more thorough re-engineering of the centre console) looks faintly aftermarket. Pricey though. Once I'd finished with the configurator, an F-Pace P400 (the straight six one, not the augmented hairdryer version) would set me back nearly £70k specced to my liking - nearly £5k more than my preferred spec Macan GTS and yet one suspects woeful residuals. Plus the only alloy option I actively like that then doesn't look a bit small is 22" and that's both a silly size and obnoxiously expensive. With those it was north of £71k. You did well keeping a GTS to around £65k. Just adding metallic, full leather (would really have to have the GTS interior pack), memory seats and nicer wheels takes it to £65k and that's still missing sport chrono, panoramic roof, decent speakers and a few other things. The lowest I'd be able to get to is £72k, ideally £75k, which I know is too much for a Macan The F Pace will be discounted (already offering 9% / £7k off via Coast2Coast which includes a £4k JLR deposit allowance) and Porsche interest rates aren't great (over 6%) if you're going down the PCP route, but the GTS will probably still be cheaper if you can limit the options. I'd stick with the 21s on the F Pace, which makes my spec £77k. Edit: Just checked the monthlies on 'my spec' F Pace. £10k down, 15k miles a year, over 4 years comes out at £917 a month....so £1125 a month all in (3.9% APR). That's slightly more than mine will be if I only keep it 3 years, helped by not paying interest of course, but the F Pace is nearly £1,400 a month if you took the finance over 36 months. Blimey. |
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Post by racingteatray on Sept 15, 2020 16:40:06 GMT
Sorry - £66k.
Base Recommended Retail Price Macan GTS: £58,940.00
Price for Equipment: £7,263.00
Total Recommended Retail Price: £66,203.00
Night Blue Metallic £674.00
Leather interior in natural leather Espresso: £2,021.00
Panoramic roof system £1,137.00
Roof rails in aluminium, painted in black (high-gloss): £245.00
Adaptive air suspension with levelling system and height adjustment incl. Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM): £1,044.00
75-litre fuel tank: £84.00
21-Inch RS Spyder Design Wheels: £639.00
Automatically dimming interior and exterior mirrors: £252.00
Privacy glass: £333.00
Dark walnut interior package: £0.00
BOSE® Surround Sound System: £834.00
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Post by johnc on Sept 15, 2020 16:47:33 GMT
Sorry - £66k. Base Recommended Retail Price Macan GTS: £58,940.00 Price for Equipment: £7,263.00 Total Recommended Retail Price: £66,203.00 Night Blue Metallic £674.00 Leather interior in natural leather Espresso: £2,021.00 Panoramic roof system £1,137.00 Roof rails in aluminium, painted in black (high-gloss): £245.00 Adaptive air suspension with levelling system and height adjustment incl. Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM): £1,044.00 75-litre fuel tank: £84.00 21-Inch RS Spyder Design Wheels: £639.00 Automatically dimming interior and exterior mirrors: £252.00 Privacy glass: £333.00 Dark walnut interior package: £0.00 BOSE® Surround Sound System: £834.00 There is no doubt which direction you are going in! |
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Post by Martin on Sept 15, 2020 16:53:36 GMT
Sorry - £66k. Base Recommended Retail Price Macan GTS: £58,940.00 Price for Equipment: £7,263.00 Total Recommended Retail Price: £66,203.00 Night Blue Metallic £674.00 Leather interior in natural leather Espresso: £2,021.00 Panoramic roof system £1,137.00 Roof rails in aluminium, painted in black (high-gloss): £245.00 Adaptive air suspension with levelling system and height adjustment incl. Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM): £1,044.00 75-litre fuel tank: £84.00 21-Inch RS Spyder Design Wheels: £639.00 Automatically dimming interior and exterior mirrors: £252.00 Privacy glass: £333.00 Dark walnut interior package: £0.00 BOSE® Surround Sound System: £834.00 It does sound like that’s what you really want, hopefully it doesn’t disappoint. Don’t compare the monthlies with an X3 either! They will tell you a GTS with Brown leather won’t be good for residuals, but as always, you should buy what you want. Don’t you think it’s too much brown (although it is pretty dark, so not like the old Porsche beige interiors), it’s everywhere including the steering wheel and those should always be black? The rest of the spec looks pretty good, but won’t memory seats be useful and whilst I know you have to draw the line somewhere, I’d definitely add surround cameras, sport chrono, speed limit indicator and keyless start. |
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Post by racingteatray on Sept 15, 2020 17:12:52 GMT
I like dark brown interiors in the same way that I like dark navy blue interiors. They are practical, discreet and smart without being like a Goth's bedroom. I don't wear black clothes or have black furniture or walls in my house so why would I have an all-black interior on my car?
A steering wheel can be recovered quite cheaply but I don't mind a dark brown steering wheel as much as say a beige one.
Besides, I'd go for the walnut - that alone will put off many. I can't help other people's aesthetic sensibilities (or lack thereof) and I refuse to compromise on what I want for re-sale purposes.
Besides what's the alternative? Mojave Beige is, well, beige. Crayon is a tad too Philip Green for my tastes. Garnet red is a bit too garish - Blarno's memorable description always springs to mind. And the Agate Grey is really very dreary. And that's about your lot, apart from black.
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Post by Martin on Sept 15, 2020 17:17:23 GMT
I like dark brown interiors in the same way that I like dark navy blue interiors. They are practical, discreet and smart without being like a Goth's bedroom. I don't wear black clothes or have black furniture or walls in my house so why would I have an all-black interior on my car? A steering wheel can be recovered quite cheaply but I don't mind a dark brown steering wheel as much as say a beige one. Besides, I'd go for the walnut - that alone will put off many. I can't help other people's aesthetic sensibilities (or lack thereof) and I refuse to compromise on what I want for re-sale purposes. Besides what's the alternative? Mojave Beige is, well, beige. Crayon is a tad too Philip Green for my tastes. Garnet red is a bit too garish - Blarno's memorable description always springs to mind. And the Agate Grey is really very dreary. And that's about your lot, apart from black. We do all have different tastes. The GTS pack brightens up the black leather, agree that the other options aren’t great. |
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Post by racingteatray on Sept 15, 2020 17:21:35 GMT
I could do black with walnut. Just not black with aluminium or carbon or piano black. I just find that "shoot me dull".
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Post by racingteatray on Sept 15, 2020 17:22:08 GMT
I like dark brown interiors in the same way that I like dark navy blue interiors. They are practical, discreet and smart without being like a Goth's bedroom. I don't wear black clothes or have black furniture or walls in my house so why would I have an all-black interior on my car? A steering wheel can be recovered quite cheaply but I don't mind a dark brown steering wheel as much as say a beige one. Besides, I'd go for the walnut - that alone will put off many. I can't help other people's aesthetic sensibilities (or lack thereof) and I refuse to compromise on what I want for re-sale purposes. Besides what's the alternative? Mojave Beige is, well, beige. Crayon is a tad too Philip Green for my tastes. Garnet red is a bit too garish - Blarno's memorable description always springs to mind. And the Agate Grey is really very dreary. And that's about your lot, apart from black. We do all have different tastes. The GTS pack brightens up the black leather, agree that the other options aren’t great. Seems to be £2k for coloured stitching!? |
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Post by racingteatray on Sept 15, 2020 17:32:39 GMT
As for the Velar:
RANGE ROVER VELAR R-DYNAMIC HSE D300 £72,280.00
Byron Blue £760.00
20" Style 7014 7 spoke Gloss Sparkle Silver £0.00
Body-coloured roof £0.00
Sliding Panoramic roof £1,625.00
Black roof rails £0.00
Privacy glass £420.00
Matrix LED headlights with signature DRL £0.00
Front fog lights £180.00
Vintage Tan/Ebony Perforated Windsor Leather £0.00
20–way heated and cooled, memory, massage front seats £0.00
Extended Leather Upgrade £0.00
Light Oyster Morzine headlining £0.00
Satin Umber Linear veneer £80.00
Leather steering wheel with Atlas bezel £0.00
Meridian Surround Sound System (17 Speakers 825W) £0.00
Dynamic Handling Pack £365.00
Configurable Dynamics £0.00
All Terrain Progress Control (ATPC) £0.00
Terrain Response 2 with Dynamic Program £0.00
Makes the Porsche look cheap, especially once residuals factored in.
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Post by racingteatray on Sept 15, 2020 17:35:38 GMT
One thing I learned in Italy this summer - there's a reason why BMW calls blacked out rear windows "sun protection glass". It actually works.
I found that if I made sure to park the car with its bottom facing the sun (the sunroof glass is also darkened), then it noticeably didn't get nearly as boiling inside.
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Post by Martin on Sept 15, 2020 17:59:16 GMT
We do all have different tastes. The GTS pack brightens up the black leather, agree that the other options aren’t great. Seems to be £2k for coloured stitching!? You used to Get Carbon Fibre trim, but I dont think that’s included now. Isn’t it ‘only’ £1,500 on top of the full leather upgrade and you also get seatbelts to match the stitching, GTS logos stitched into all the headrests and a red background to the Rev counter. Plus it will probably add a bit to the residual value. We loves the red stitching in our Boxster and it’s cheaper to get the GTS interior pack than just add contrast stitching in another colour, that would be £2,300 on top of the full leather upgrade. Also worth noting that the 8 way seats won’t be as adjustable as you’re used to, as 2 of the 8 is the headrest moving up/down, so you’ll only get height adjustment not tilt. No adjustable side bolsters or seat base of course either. |
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Post by Martin on Sept 15, 2020 18:06:09 GMT
One thing I learned in Italy this summer - there's a reason why BMW calls blacked out rear windows "sun protection glass". It actually works. I found that if I made sure to park the car with its bottom facing the sun (the sunroof glass is also darkened), then it noticeably didn't get nearly as boiling inside. It really does make a big difference. I’ve got the “Solar attenuating windscreen” in mine along with full double glazing, sun protection glass and a panoramic roof blind that closes when you lock the car and it all makes a huge difference on days like today. And when it’s really hot, you can remote start it from your phone and then sit down on a cooked seat....lovely! |
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Post by racingteatray on Sept 16, 2020 7:48:49 GMT
Yes I noticed the closing roof blind on the Velar which also had it. Presume as was an HSE
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Post by racingteatray on Sept 16, 2020 7:49:34 GMT
One thing I learned in Italy this summer - there's a reason why BMW calls blacked out rear windows "sun protection glass". It actually works. I found that if I made sure to park the car with its bottom facing the sun (the sunroof glass is also darkened), then it noticeably didn't get nearly as boiling inside. It really does make a big difference. I’ve got the “Solar attenuating windscreen” in mine along with full double glazing, sun protection glass and a panoramic roof blind that closes when you lock the car and it all makes a huge difference on days like today. And when it’s really hot, you can remote start it from your phone and then sit down on a cooked seat....lovely! So what are the 8 ways? |
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Post by Martin on Sept 16, 2020 8:05:45 GMT
It really does make a big difference. I’ve got the “Solar attenuating windscreen” in mine along with full double glazing, sun protection glass and a panoramic roof blind that closes when you lock the car and it all makes a huge difference on days like today. And when it’s really hot, you can remote start it from your phone and then sit down on a cooked seat....lovely! So what are the 8 ways? 2 - Forward/Backwards 2 - Recline 2 - Height 2 - Headrest No lumbar support or tilt, you’d need the 14 way seats for that but then you move from a sports seat to a comfort seat, the 18 way adaptive seats are the same shape/support as the 8 way but with a lot more adjustment. I think the extra 10 are: 2 - Tilt 4 - Lumbar 2 - Seat base length 2 - Side bolsters The electric seats option also adds an electric memory steering column. Porsche aren’t as bad as they used to be, at least you get decent Nav, heated seats etc but when you look at something like a Velour HSE there’s a huge amount missing. |
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Post by Martin on Sept 16, 2020 8:08:44 GMT
Yes I noticed the closing roof blind on the Velar which also had it. Presume as was an HSE I think it’s standard on the panoramic roof regardless of trim level. I’d hardly ever remember / bother to close the blind on the BMWs and it does make a difference, especially on such a large glass panel. |
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Post by racingteatray on Sept 16, 2020 8:12:59 GMT
2 - Forward/Backwards 2 - Recline 2 - Height 2 - Headrest No lumbar support or tilt, you’d need the 14 way seats for that but then you move from a sports seat to a comfort seat, the 18 way adaptive seats are the same shape/support as the 8 way but with a lot more adjustment. I think the extra 10 are: 2 - Tilt 4 - Lumbar 2 - Seat base length 2 - Side bolsters The electric seats option also adds an electric memory steering column. Porsche aren’t as bad as they used to be, at least you get decent Nav, heated seats etc but when you look at something like a Velour HSE there’s a huge amount missing. Stingy is the word you are looking for. There is definitely stuff on the Porsche options list that shouldn't be on an options list. Mind you, I slightly felt the same about the JLR ones - they've learned from Porsche clearly. I remember my mother being rather miffed that her near-£30k Mini Countryman didn't come with standard navigation or folding mirrors. |
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Post by Martin on Sept 16, 2020 8:21:33 GMT
Take a look at a Cayman/Boxster, there’s even less, you have to pay about £600 just to get climate control (even in the GTS 4.0)
When I was looking at the Cayenne, the cost got out of hand when I added options I was used to. Going lightly used helps with the cost, but finding one with the right options is so difficult. It’s one good thing about JLR trim levels or Vorsprung spec Audi’s, you can get a well species used one and the residuals are much better than adding options individually. Going for the RR in AB trim level meant I only really had to worry about colour no wheels, as it has everything I wanted and more as standard. The Velour will be similar, but I bet you’d really struggle to find one with a proper leather dash.
The F Pace has a lot missing, even in the top trim level, panoramic roof being a big one.
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Post by Tim on Sept 16, 2020 8:36:31 GMT
Seems to be £2k for coloured stitching!? You used to Get Carbon Fibre trim, but I dont think that’s included now. Isn’t it ‘only’ £1,500 on top of the full leather upgrade and you also get seatbelts to match the stitching, GTS logos stitched into all the headrests and a red background to the Rev counter. Plus it will probably add a bit to the residual value. We loves the red stitching in our Boxster and it’s cheaper to get the GTS interior pack than just add contrast stitching in another colour, that would be £2,300 on top of the full leather upgrade. Also worth noting that the 8 way seats won’t be as adjustable as you’re used to, as 2 of the 8 is the headrest moving up/down, so you’ll only get height adjustment not tilt. No adjustable side bolsters or seat base of course either. £1,500 for a bit of stitching, some logos and a different colour of seatbelt (that presumably adds zero to the build cost for Porsche?)! That's utterly ludicrous. Here's a thought. Buy the boring black leather and just wear a loud shirt to add some colour  |
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Post by franki68 on Sept 16, 2020 8:38:44 GMT
Looks like a big interior improvement although the way things are going with touch screen we are going to have 42inch Samsung tv screen appearing in a car soon Surely someone somewhere is going to make touchscreens illegal especially where controls are buried 2 or 3 screens in. All cars should have an i-drive controller or similar and touch screen should only be used by the passenger or when parked. Yep,it’s a pet hate of mine ,you cannot operate these things without taking your eyes completely off the road ,unless you have voice control which seems a bit hit or miss . |
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Post by Martin on Sept 16, 2020 8:49:00 GMT
As for the Velar: RANGE ROVER VELAR R-DYNAMIC HSE D300 £72,280.00 Byron Blue £760.00 20" Style 7014 7 spoke Gloss Sparkle Silver £0.00 Body-coloured roof £0.00 Sliding Panoramic roof £1,625.00 Black roof rails £0.00 Privacy glass £420.00 Matrix LED headlights with signature DRL £0.00 Front fog lights £180.00 Vintage Tan/Ebony Perforated Windsor Leather £0.00 20–way heated and cooled, memory, massage front seats £0.00 Extended Leather Upgrade £0.00 Light Oyster Morzine headlining £0.00 Satin Umber Linear veneer £80.00 Leather steering wheel with Atlas bezel £0.00 Meridian Surround Sound System (17 Speakers 825W) £0.00 Dynamic Handling Pack £365.00 Configurable Dynamics £0.00 All Terrain Progress Control (ATPC) £0.00 Terrain Response 2 with Dynamic Program £0.00 Makes the Porsche look cheap, especially once residuals factored in. The Velour is much better value lightly used and there are plenty around thanks to the JLR car schemes, but the vintage tan will be rare, not sure why as it’s really nice. It is a better spec than the Macan though and will the standard M&S tyres be OK for Italy in the winter? It will be about £3,500 for a winter wheel set for the Macan, but that’s fairly easy to man maths away (longer life out of summer tyres, some value at the end etc). |
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