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Post by michael on Nov 10, 2020 9:48:01 GMT
If this kind of stuff is deemed important then the world really is f*cked! It's very important if you're a woman. For example in sport where self identification decides who you compete against, women's cycling is now dominated by Veronica Ivy, formerly Rachel McKinnon, formerly a man. Laurel Hubbard, who as Gavin Hubbard was not a particularly successful powerlifter, achieved gold repeatedly having transitioned and started competing against biological women. Stonewall are campaigning for transwomen to be able to compete in women's contact rugby even though trans MMA fighter Fallon Fox broke an opponents eye socket.
It's not just sport, in Canada trans woman Jessica Yaniv tried to take several women's beautician services to court under human rights laws after they refused to wax her scrotum. Many of those small businesses were finished due to a backlash from activists accusing them of transphobia. Unfortunately for our Scottish friends, under your countries proposed authoritarian hate crime laws you'll be able to be prosecuted for saying the wrong thing on this stuff even in your own home so I'd get a handle on it PDQ. Identity politics has never been so powerful.
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Post by LandieMark on Nov 10, 2020 10:15:04 GMT
The world has gone mad.
You are either genetically male or female and should be made to complete in whatever category you are genetically identified as, rather than what you mentally identify as. The would be far to fucking sensible though. This sort of fuckwittery really boils my piss.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 10, 2020 11:03:00 GMT
Instead of having male and female sports just reclassify them as XX and XY chromosome sports.
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Post by michael on Nov 10, 2020 11:07:23 GMT
Or just take out the competition element and award everyone a medal for taking part?
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 10, 2020 11:40:46 GMT
You really haven't been on Twitter have you? Others, Sam Smith and the like, who recently disclosed they want to be a mummy, would have they/them as they identify as gender non-binary. What you you've done above is assumed gender. This is an unforgivable crime in the modern world that concludes with the incantation that trans women are women and NHS documents start referring to, "people with cervix's" instead of women. I shall whip myself with organic birch twigs which fell naturally from the trees... |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 10, 2020 12:10:14 GMT
Or just take out the competition element and award everyone a medal for taking part? You mean just award the medals based on their coaches’ assessment of how they’ve performed in training? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2020 12:32:11 GMT
Give everyone a gold medal for turning up? The best sponsor logo?
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Post by PG on Nov 10, 2020 12:56:34 GMT
If this kind of stuff is deemed important then the world really is f*cked! ... Identity politics has never been so powerful.
Do you think the same people who support that fact that it comes to pass that a small but incredibly vocal minority can get into a position where they can dictate how everyone else should not only behave, but think too, are also the same people who then wonder why 71 million Americans voted for Trump? Because if the choice is being arrested for thinking an incorrect thought or voting for a local equivalent of a Trump, I suspect a lot of people (me included in that case) would keep their views to themselves and then put my cross in the box that might save me from arrest. As Mark said, he world has truly gone fucking mad. |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 10, 2020 14:01:57 GMT
I might go full on Danny Dyer and have 'geez/geezer' as my pronouns I assume you can just make them up?
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 10, 2020 14:23:11 GMT
... Identity politics has never been so powerful.
Do you think the same people who support that fact that it comes to pass that a small but incredibly vocal minority can get into a position where they can dictate how everyone else should not only behave, but think too, are also the same people who then wonder why 71 million Americans voted for Trump? Because if the choice is being arrested for thinking an incorrect thought or voting for a local equivalent of a Trump, I suspect a lot of people (me included in that case) would keep their views to themselves and then put my cross in the box that might save me from arrest. As Mark said, he world has truly gone fucking mad. It's not clear to me why everything has to be polarised. Surely the view of the majority of people is not vastly polarised left or right, which is why the adversarial two party system in the UK and US is outdated. There was a great piece in the Sunday Times by one J Clarkson about how modern politicians are, on the whole, woefully underpaid for the responsibilities and flak they have to take, which is why only those with very strong views (aka nutters) last the course. The talented candidates of moderate views will simply be put off and be outpaced by the conviction-driven. |
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Post by johnc on Nov 10, 2020 15:53:11 GMT
This clip is only 4 years old but I presume such a thing these days would send you straight to the tower!
EDIT: I have just realised that this clip has had the last 3 characters omitted because each of them got progressively funnier and more politically incorrect. Will anyone have a sense of humour left at the end of this cultural revolution?
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 10, 2020 23:36:11 GMT
Easy. Go live in another country....
I spent a lot of time in Italy over the summer and, by and large, woke culture hasn’t really taken hold there so far as I can tell.
After all it’s a country where during a TV broadcast a senator called a minister, who happens to be black with orange hair, an orangutan and then, when she quite reasonably called him a racist, he sued her for defamation!
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Post by johnc on Nov 11, 2020 8:31:12 GMT
Easy. Go live in another country.... I spent a lot of time in Italy over the summer and, by and large, woke culture hasn’t really taken hold there so far as I can tell. After all it’s a country where during a TV broadcast a senator called a minister, who happens to be black with orange hair, an orangutan and then, when she quite reasonably called him a racist, he sued her for defamation! I just wish there was an easily recognised middle ground. I honestly don't have a clue how to refer to certain people any more without potentially causing someone to feel insulted when absolutely none was intended. |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 11, 2020 10:00:58 GMT
This clip is only 4 years old but I presume such a thing these days would send you straight to the tower! EDIT: I have just realised that this clip has had the last 3 characters omitted because each of them got progressively funnier and more politically incorrect. Will anyone have a sense of humour left at the end of this cultural revolution? There's no way that would get past the BBC censors now. |
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 11, 2020 11:10:54 GMT
Easy. Go live in another country.... I spent a lot of time in Italy over the summer and, by and large, woke culture hasn’t really taken hold there so far as I can tell. After all it’s a country where during a TV broadcast a senator called a minister, who happens to be black with orange hair, an orangutan and then, when she quite reasonably called him a racist, he sued her for defamation! I just wish there was an easily recognised middle ground. I honestly don't have a clue how to refer to certain people any more without potentially causing someone to feel insulted when absolutely none was intended. Is it a frequent problem though? I just try to be neutral and the issue rarely arises. |
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Post by LandieMark on Nov 11, 2020 11:26:38 GMT
I had a transgender insurance assessor look at the horsebox some years ago when someone made a mess trying to steal it.
It was marginally difficult to be neutral when he/she looked and talked like Babs from League of Gentlemen and the back wheels were hanging out the bottom of the dress!🤮
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Post by PetrolEd on Nov 11, 2020 12:01:33 GMT
With regards to the transgender issue to be honest I've never had to deal with it. Its that rare I never give it a seconds thought. Closest I've been to the issue is when I caught a train about a year ago and saw some bloke in his 60's get on in a dress looking like Les Dawson crossed with Bet Gilroy.
I think we get wound up by stuff we'll never come across on a day to day level.
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 11, 2020 13:08:41 GMT
I think we get wound up by stuff we'll never come across on a day to day level. Which of course sometimes seems to be the raison d'etre of most tabloid newspapers! |
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Post by michael on Nov 11, 2020 13:15:49 GMT
I think we get wound up by stuff we'll never come across on a day to day level. Depends where you work. |
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 26, 2020 7:53:57 GMT
Dragging this back on topic, I have just cashed in the stocks & shares ISA I had set aside for this and now have the funds ready to pay off the balloon on the BMW. December will be the first month in eight years that I haven't had car payments to make. I'm quite looking forward to that.
And it's a measure of what a good car it is, and how well it suits me, that I've kept it for four years without getting wanting to change it. That and the fact that there isn't all that much out there that's equally affordable and at the same equally desirable.
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Post by Martin on Nov 26, 2020 8:15:54 GMT
It does feel good to be loan/PCP free and own your cars. Not much point in changing it until something you’d prefer comes along. Don’t worry about it looking old though. you can easily bring it up to date! http://instagr.am/p/CH_sj7Zrpr0 |
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Post by johnc on Nov 26, 2020 8:39:45 GMT
When you see how hard all the You Tube influencers are trying to talk up the new 4 series and the incoming M3 and M4 you realise that BMW probably recognises their mistake. Apparently, according to You Tube, the car's looks grow on you and it looks fabulous! Strange how most of these people are also getting a new M3 or M4 when they come out.
I think you have the best looking car that BMW have made for many years Racing and unless it starts giving you problems there is absolutely no reason to change it.
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Post by Big Blue on Nov 27, 2020 0:06:44 GMT
I walked past a 4 series GC a day or two ago and agree that BMW make nothing as attractive as it. As to being “payment free” I’ve not made finance payments of any kind other than a mortgage since about 2010 and even that mortgage is now 200% covered by another property and a share portfolio. This essentially means I’ve become my father in financial terms - he always took the Tony Hancock line of “I’ve enough money to buy anything I want but I’d rather have the money” somewhat literally. This scenario also has a severely detrimental effect on my engagement at work after the initial months of new project excitement which is why I contract.
Anyway enough self indulgent navel gazing: right decision Racing. Now that Italian property can move into the space where car payments once were.
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 27, 2020 0:14:31 GMT
I think you have the best looking car that BMW have made for many years Racing and unless it starts giving you problems there is absolutely no reason to change it. This is kind of where I am. Glad I did the performance kit at the beginning of the year though - that added a useful extra slug of endearing character. |
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 27, 2020 0:16:30 GMT
Anyway enough self indulgent navel gazing: right decision Racing. Now that Italian property can move into the space where car payments once were. We actually did put an offer in but it was turned down. For the minute we are sitting on our hands with the offer left on the table in case they change their mind. Market's pretty dire and we don't want to overpay and so we figure if they want to sell and don't find another buyer, we can afford to be patient. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 0:33:14 GMT
Looks like very little is going to move so logically, if they really want to sell they will have to snatch your hand off at some time. Poker face.
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Post by PG on Nov 27, 2020 13:08:28 GMT
We actually did put an offer in but it was turned down. For the minute we are sitting on our hands with the offer left on the table in case they change their mind. Market's pretty dire and we don't want to overpay and so we figure if they want to sell and don't find another buyer, we can afford to be patient. In the absence of anything you want to buy, keeping the 4GC is the sensible thing to do. As the old saying goes, a property is only worth what somebody is prepared to pay for it, not what the owner thinks it is worth. We helped a friend negotiate buying her last but one house. We left a cheeky offer on the table and got much abuse from the seller's agent. A few weeks later they rang up all nice and friendly and tried to accept the offer. At which point we demanded more free stuff be included. Once the buyer's nerve breaks, you're in the driving seat.... |
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Post by PetrolEd on Nov 27, 2020 15:11:05 GMT
I walked past a 4 series GC a day or two ago and agree that BMW make nothing as attractive as it. As to being “payment free” I’ve not made finance payments of any kind other than a mortgage since about 2010 and even that mortgage is now 200% covered by another property and a share portfolio. This essentially means I’ve become my father in financial terms - he always took the Tony Hancock line of “I’ve enough money to buy anything I want but I’d rather have the money” somewhat literally. This scenario also has a severely detrimental effect on my engagement at work after the initial months of new project excitement which is why I contract. Anyway enough self indulgent navel gazing: right decision Racing. Now that Italian property can move into the space where car payments once were. I feel better for knowing all that. Well done |
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 27, 2020 15:14:52 GMT
Problem is that we're not sure the owner really wants to sell. She massively overpriced it to start with and so it has stagnated on the market since 2017 (when I first spotted it and thought "nice but not at that price"). Since then she's dropped the price by fully a quarter of the original asking price but our offer is only three-quarters of that revised asking price.
On a price per m2, our offer is fair. The primary sticking point is that while it has a great location and a fantastic terrace, it's a third (top) floor walk-up (no lift), so it doesn't much appeal to anyone after somewhere to live year-round (which is the majority of local buyers).
The other sticking point is that she is only selling because she's 80 and while she's pretty fit, her husband is now 90 and struggling with the stairs. They live in Rome and this is their holiday flat. He looks not long for this world, so if he carks it, we reckon she'd then decide to take it off the market and keep it for a while longer.
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Post by johnc on Nov 27, 2020 16:00:43 GMT
Maybe she is hoping the stairs kill him!
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