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Post by garry on Jun 15, 2020 9:19:32 GMT
Looks like today is the day that many non essential shops will be back one. Are you (or your partner) rushing out for a bit of retail therapy?
i personally cannot see it working - queuing outside (maybe ok in dry weather), no trying on clothes, etc. I think for those who want to shop, the fun of shopping will be taken away so they’ll just stay online. The queues outside Primark challenge my theory!
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Post by racingteatray on Jun 15, 2020 9:28:09 GMT
No - it's only of passing interest to me. Mrs RT may find shopping therapeutic but I do not! Plus actually lockdown has inevitably reminded her of just how much stuff we have and how little of it we actually regularly need, and thus her appetite to be acquisitive has also been somewhat blunted.
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Post by PG on Jun 15, 2020 9:30:42 GMT
I suspect that there are enough people desperate to shop, as there were forming into the huge queues outside drive through McDonalds that reopened, to give some newsworthy pictures for a few days. But longer term, unless the social distancing issue is resolved, business can never return to the volumes it once was.
Me? I'm staying well away as I hated shopping anyway (well, apart from man stuff like tools, equipment, cars of course). So I've hardly noticed that the high street has been shut.
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Post by Martin on Jun 15, 2020 9:31:27 GMT
No, I don’t like going shopping at the best of times so I’m happy to stay away for a while.
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Post by PetrolEd on Jun 15, 2020 9:55:36 GMT
Not for me, I can't stand the high street due to the general public in normal times let alone at the moment.
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Post by garry on Jun 15, 2020 10:05:57 GMT
I suspect that there are enough people desperate to shop, as there were forming into the huge queues outside drive through McDonalds that reopened, to give some newsworthy pictures for a few days. But longer term, unless the social distancing issue is resolved, business can never return to the volumes it once was. Me? I'm staying well away as I hated shopping anyway (well, apart from man stuff like tools, equipment, cars of course). So I've hardly noticed that the high street has been shut. Those queues amazed me. Of all the things you could miss in life during lockdown who would have though a shitty little burger on a limp bun delivered to you by a spotty teenager in a building adored with some clown who looks like David Bowie one an acid trip on from Ashes to Ashes.
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Post by michael on Jun 15, 2020 10:08:01 GMT
I'm glad they're reopening it's a sign of life that's been missing too long. I'm not one for retail therapy but hopefully others will get spending and the economy slowly turning.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2020 10:15:27 GMT
Good to see but I will not be rushing out there. Not interested at the best of times.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jun 15, 2020 10:44:39 GMT
I quite enjoy a walk into Newcastle on a Sunday - the shops are quieter and you can browse unhurried. I normally like to combine it with a couple of glasses of wine and something to eat downstairs in the Food Hall at Fenwick. Without that latter part of the trip on offer there's less appeal for me.
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Post by johnc on Jun 15, 2020 10:53:39 GMT
It makes no difference to me. No shops opening up here for the meantime and we will no doubt have to wait until they are all insolvent before they are given the green light! In any case I am in no hurry to rush back especially when you can't grab something to eat.
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Post by racingteatray on Jun 15, 2020 11:04:13 GMT
hopefully others will get spending and the economy slowly turning. Do we think dishy Rishi, as Quentin Letts calls him, will cut VAT if spending proves to be limp? Seen some speculation we could follow Germany's example and introduce a temporary cut to 15%. Of course remains to be seen how much of that would get passed on to consumers...
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Post by johnc on Jun 15, 2020 11:11:45 GMT
hopefully others will get spending and the economy slowly turning. Do we think dishy Rishi, as Quentin Letts calls him, will cut VAT if spending proves to be limp? Seen some speculation we could follow Germany's example and introduce a temporary cut to 15%. Of course remains to be seen how much of that would get passed on to consumers... The reduction in VAT to 15% after the 2008/09 crisis was great: it lead to much greater compliance from small traders/tradesmen and although I haven't seen the figures I am sure it didn't bring in much less tax than the previous 17.5%. I reckon it would have been similar to when Margaret Thatcher reduced the top rate of tax from 60% to 40% and tax take actually went up. I am just sad that Politicians never seem to learn from these things. I hope he does reduce VAT (and then finds it is great so keeps it at 15%)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2020 11:22:54 GMT
I still don't have a job, so no spending for me.
I bet if VAT does get reduced that all the shelf prices stay the same.
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Post by garry on Jun 15, 2020 11:39:58 GMT
Do we think dishy Rishi, as Quentin Letts calls him, will cut VAT if spending proves to be limp? Seen some speculation we could follow Germany's example and introduce a temporary cut to 15%. Of course remains to be seen how much of that would get passed on to consumers... The reduction in VAT to 15% after the 2008/09 crisis was great: it lead to much greater compliance from small traders/tradesmen and although I haven't seen the figures I am sure it didn't bring in much less tax than the previous 17.5%. I reckon it would have been similar to when Margaret Thatcher reduced the top rate of tax from 60% to 40% and tax take actually went up. I am just sad that Politicians never seem to learn from these things. I hope he does reduce VAT (and then finds it is great so keeps it at 15%) Do you reckon a 2.5% drop would have much impact? I’m generally in favour of optimising taxes and the 60% to 40% cut is a good example of that. Go too far to the political left and a ‘tax the rich’ mindset simply can’t compute that those with some money will come up with a million legal ways to reduce their tax (and therefore the total tax take) , too far to the political right and a ‘tax everyone the same’ mindset can’t grasp the inequality that builds into society.
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Post by racingteatray on Jun 15, 2020 11:42:05 GMT
Last time VAT went down, it coincided with me buying a new car, so that was nice. An extra 2.5% discount as it was at the time. This time if it's 5% it might be more noticeable.
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Post by michael on Jun 15, 2020 11:44:04 GMT
hopefully others will get spending and the economy slowly turning. Do we think dishy Rishi, as Quentin Letts calls him, will cut VAT if spending proves to be limp? Seen some speculation we could follow Germany's example and introduce a temporary cut to 15%. Of course remains to be seen how much of that would get passed on to consumers... I've no idea but it was a tool rolled out by Gordon Brown as mentioned and it seemed welcome at the time. I'd have thought that any move to reduce VAT would have been aligned to leaving the EU so that people feel a tangible benefit from that.
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Post by PG on Jun 15, 2020 11:53:16 GMT
The reduction in VAT to 15% after the 2008/09 crisis was great: it lead to much greater compliance from small traders/tradesmen and although I haven't seen the figures I am sure it didn't bring in much less tax than the previous 17.5%. I reckon it would have been similar to when Margaret Thatcher reduced the top rate of tax from 60% to 40% and tax take actually went up. I am just sad that Politicians never seem to learn from these things. I hope he does reduce VAT (and then finds it is great so keeps it at 15%) VAT should never really be more than 10% - a rate that makes avoidance not worthwhile and also keeps prices reasonable. If the rate was 10% it would also be easier to justify widening the tax base - killing off the biscuits v cakes stupidity for example.
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Post by racingteatray on Jun 15, 2020 12:05:21 GMT
Do we think dishy Rishi, as Quentin Letts calls him, will cut VAT if spending proves to be limp? Seen some speculation we could follow Germany's example and introduce a temporary cut to 15%. Of course remains to be seen how much of that would get passed on to consumers... I've no idea but it was a tool rolled out by Gordon Brown as mentioned and it seemed welcome at the time. I'd have thought that any move to reduce VAT would have been aligned to leaving the EU so that people feel a tangible benefit from that. That only works if it is permanent, which isn't being discussed so far as I am aware.
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Post by michael on Jun 15, 2020 12:07:12 GMT
You asked what I thought, that's what I think.
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Post by PetrolEd on Jun 15, 2020 12:27:52 GMT
I worry if we did drop the level of VAT. All this free money has to be paid back and a reduction to 15% for a limited period would probably require a push up to 25% in a years time to help balance the books and there it will remain.
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Post by PetrolEd on Jun 15, 2020 12:31:07 GMT
There have been actual crushes at the Nike store on Oxford St. WT actual F, who would be that bothered to get into a scrum to buy a new pair of trainers.
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Post by michael on Jun 15, 2020 12:48:08 GMT
There have been actual crushes at the Nike store on Oxford St. WT actual F, who would be that bothered to get into a scrum to buy a new pair of trainers. Rugby players out of shoes?
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Post by PG on Jun 15, 2020 13:15:30 GMT
There have been actual crushes at the Nike store on Oxford St. WT actual F, who would be that bothered to get into a scrum to buy a new pair of trainers. See my comment about about people queuing to get a McDonalds. Seeing the queue at the out of town Maccy D as I went to Sainsburys was a real WTAF moment for me. As I came out of the shop, I saw two twenty-something women in a car eating their sought after burger and fries. They had the look of people just having their first hit of an addictive substance after a forced withdrawal period. Never mind white v black etc, I think we are probably evolving into several sub-species based on our habits. The people who queue to shop or eat shyte, think the Kardashians are important and do not understand the difference between fashion and style for example. They can really only survive in their environment "in captivity". In the wild, they would die out.
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Post by ChrisM on Jun 15, 2020 13:47:53 GMT
I didn't rush out, I'm still "WFH" but yesterday I became a bad accountant (I lost my balance). Phone call to the doctor's this morning as I was little better when I woke up, called back a couple of hours later for a telephone consultation resulting in having to go and collect a prescription. As the surgery is a couple of minutes walk from the town centre, and I parked on-street between the 2 places I walked there after the collection. First of all the town centre is a total mess, like a wartime bombsite as the High Street and one of the adjoining roads are being "pedestrianised". That's bad enough to contend with before you take into account the obstacle race to get to the Mall bit, or shops in the man streets. Only about a third of the shops were open, remaining closed were Argos, Robert Dyas, McDonalds, H Samuel and many others. Domino's pizza was open for take-aways as were a couple of small cafes. Boots has been open throughout, quite a large store. Only one person ahead at the prescription counter. No queue to get into the vast Primark (I didn't go in) but quite a long queue for TK Maxx - in fact I think this was the only shop for which there was a queue. There were quite a lot of people about but not enough to bring the 2metre "rule" into doubt.
The council run car parks remain free for now, but looks like charges will recommence from 1 July
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Post by scouse on Jun 15, 2020 14:01:29 GMT
There have been actual crushes at the Nike store on Oxford St. WT actual F, who would be that bothered to get into a scrum to buy a new pair of trainers. What? You mean it didn't get looted oer the last week??
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Post by Ben on Jun 15, 2020 15:37:40 GMT
Singapore's restrictions (most of them anyway) lift on Friday, but I still won't be heading out unless I absolutely have to.
I don't believe this is over yet. We're seeing second waves of infections in China, Korea and the likes, so there's still a need to be careful.
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Post by racingteatray on Jun 15, 2020 16:14:51 GMT
You asked what I thought, that's what I think. I can't believe that the government thinks the majority of us are silly or shallow enough to swallow the notion of a temporary VAT cut having anything to do with Brexit whatsoever. That's why I assume it would need to be permanent.
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Post by michael on Jun 15, 2020 16:19:36 GMT
You asked what I thought, that's what I think. I can't believe that the government thinks the majority of us are silly or shallow enough to swallow the notion of a temporary VAT cut having anything to do with Brexit whatsoever. That's why I assume it would need to be permanent. I'll clarify. Some had suggested a cut in VAT. I doubt that would happen as I suspect that a permanent cut in VAT is factored in to a post-Brexit-extension-leaving budget to communicate a difference in leaving the EU. I am explaining why I think they would be reluctant to cut VAT sooner than that. Nobody is suggesting we are all silly or shallow.
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Post by chipbutty on Jun 15, 2020 16:20:54 GMT
I see the media are being as helpful and useful as ever. Front and centre on the Daily Mail - a picture of the rush outside one of the shops (Nike I think) with the caption " Dying for a bargin ".
I think the word I am looking for rhymes with " Hats ".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2020 16:28:35 GMT
There were about 50 people queueing up outside Sports Direct when I drove past it earlier. Queue went right down the road.
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