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Apr 25, 2019 16:42:43 GMT
Post by ChrisM on Apr 25, 2019 16:42:43 GMT
Some time ago I posted that I passed an AA breakdown van with the plate RV15BYT ..... nothing too remarkable except that younger daughter's Fiesta was RV05BYT.
Guess what I passed this morning on my way to work? RV15BYT with another yellow VW Transporter, all de-logo'd, on a vehicle transporter presumably on its way to auction or sale. So, looks like the AA keep their vans for 4 years
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Apr 25, 2019 21:20:21 GMT
Post by Roadsterstu on Apr 25, 2019 21:20:21 GMT
Not illegal to use Bluetooth, but illegal to be distracted ie. driving without due care. Business calls, or indeed taking phone calls whilst driving would fall into this catagory and indeed when I did a driver awareness course a couple of years back nearly all the other attendees had fallen foul of this law assuming that using hands free whilst driving was perfectly acceptable. Which it is. There's a lot of misunderstanding regarding hands free phones. It is perfectly legal to make and receive calls on a handsfree phone in the car. Driving without due care and attention is a catch all and could equally apply to carrying on a conversation with a passenger in the car, changing a CD, watching kids in the rear with a mirror etc, all of which could cause you to have an accident and if the police thinks that's a significant contributing factor then they prosecute under driving without due care and attention. Health and Safety is incorrectly seen by many as the elimination of risk - if that was the case we'd have to shut up shop and never manufacture anything again. It's all about the management of risk. The problem at this point is that you then rely on a hefty dose of personal responsibility and self-management of risk. Which is where it gets ever more difficult to manage!
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Apr 26, 2019 5:22:55 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Apr 26, 2019 5:22:55 GMT
Which it is. There's a lot of misunderstanding regarding hands free phones. It is perfectly legal to make and receive calls on a handsfree phone in the car. Driving without due care and attention is a catch all and could equally apply to carrying on a conversation with a passenger in the car, changing a CD, watching kids in the rear with a mirror etc, all of which could cause you to have an accident and if the police thinks that's a significant contributing factor then they prosecute under driving without due care and attention. Health and Safety is incorrectly seen by many as the elimination of risk - if that was the case we'd have to shut up shop and never manufacture anything again. It's all about the management of risk. The problem at this point is that you then rely on a hefty dose of personal responsibility and self-management of risk. Which is where it gets ever more difficult to manage! Isn't that just driving in general? If you can't manage those risks should you be on the roads?
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Apr 26, 2019 8:34:40 GMT
Post by Alex on Apr 26, 2019 8:34:40 GMT
The problem at this point is that you then rely on a hefty dose of personal responsibility and self-management of risk. Which is where it gets ever more difficult to manage! Isn't that just driving in general? If you can't manage those risks should you be on the roads? But self management only goes so far if you have staff driving for work in an irresponsible manner which as a company you have not told them not to do. I appreciate that the law is a bit grey when it comes to hands free use whilst driving and it’s not specifically an offence, the offence is being distracted which will always be subjective and open to the discretion of the police officer. But I’ve dealt with firms who have actively ordered vehicles with Bluetooth so that travelling sales staff can make their sales calls whilst on the road between meetings and there is no way that it is safe to drive whilst trying to hold such conversations with clients. This is why I advise them to put in their driving policy that hands free calls are not to be made whilst driving. If their staff choose to use the system to call their other half when they’re on the way home from the office, the company’s liability is a bit more limited but whilst they are driving for work purposes the business has a responsibility to ensure they are doing so safely. Its no different to if they fall asleep at the wheel at 7pm because they set out at 4am to travel half the country and back in a single day. If you have a policy of stipulating breaks every 2 hours and providing hotels for staff who have to travel such distances then it is the drivers responsibility but if the business discourages overnight stays and management know they’re staff are driving too far in a day then there is a level of liability for accidents that ensue.
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Apr 26, 2019 9:12:41 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Apr 26, 2019 9:12:41 GMT
Isn't that just driving in general? If you can't manage those risks should you be on the roads? But self management only goes so far if you have staff driving for work in an irresponsible manner which as a company you have not told them not to do. I appreciate that the law is a bit grey when it comes to hands free use whilst driving and it’s not specifically an offence, the offence is being distracted which will always be subjective and open to the discretion of the police officer. But I’ve dealt with firms who have actively ordered vehicles with Bluetooth so that travelling sales staff can make their sales calls whilst on the road between meetings and there is no way that it is safe to drive whilst trying to hold such conversations with clients. This is why I advise them to put in their driving policy that hands free calls are not to be made whilst driving. If their staff choose to use the system to call their other half when they’re on the way home from the office, the company’s liability is a bit more limited but whilst they are driving for work purposes the business has a responsibility to ensure they are doing so safely. Its no different to if they fall asleep at the wheel at 7pm because they set out at 4am to travel half the country and back in a single day. If you have a policy of stipulating breaks every 2 hours and providing hotels for staff who have to travel such distances then it is the drivers responsibility but if the business discourages overnight stays and management know they’re staff are driving too far in a day then there is a level of liability for accidents that ensue. But driving is all about self management - otherwise we'd all travel everywhere at top speed, overtake dangerously, ignore traffic regulations etc. Having done the sales rep job in the past I feel far safer being able to phone ahead and inform an appointment I'm stuck in traffic and will be half an hour later, rather than in the old days when you had to speed, take risks to try and make up time. Is having a conversation on the phone while driving more distracting than having a conversation with your boss when he's sat in the passenger seat next to you? Or an argument with a partner? If we want to remove distractions I'd say make it illegal for parents to travel with kids in the car. The argument that we can't self manage ourselves is what will be pushed to bring in sat nav enabled speed limiters and, ultimately, self driving cars, because we can't be trusted anymore to make sensible decisions. Is that what you want?
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Apr 26, 2019 9:47:38 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2019 9:47:38 GMT
It is a difficult point, self determination and being fit to drive is something we are responsible for. If I have alcohol and drive I have taken responsibility for that. Ditto when fatigued or after taking medication. I do not do these things but know others will do so. A diabetic who (As some do) treats their problem in a blase manner and uses insulin as a treatment for too much alcohol (Some diabetic drinkers do this all the time) should be responsible for their actions just like anyone else. Some companies will treat the whole thing as an inconvenience and tell their drivers that if they refuse to answer their phone while driving they will be fired and in that situation BOTH are responsible. As far as driving and being responsible for the condition of my car, I am responsible and behave in accordance with that. Driverless cars are coming like the speed limiters and it looks like the idiots out there are going to ruin it for everyone, again. How long before those who drive themselves or have a vehicle without autonomus/speed limiting active are banned from dual carriageways/motorways?
Just a side point, when someone is on company business and acting on behalf of a company, the company are responsible. Regardless of telling the idiot what to do or not.
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Apr 26, 2019 12:49:24 GMT
Post by ChrisM on Apr 26, 2019 12:49:24 GMT
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Apr 26, 2019 13:36:59 GMT
Post by Alex on Apr 26, 2019 13:36:59 GMT
But driving is all about self management - otherwise we'd all travel everywhere at top speed, overtake dangerously, ignore traffic regulations etc. Having done the sales rep job in the past I feel far safer being able to phone ahead and inform an appointment I'm stuck in traffic and will be half an hour later, rather than in the old days when you had to speed, take risks to try and make up time. Is having a conversation on the phone while driving more distracting than having a conversation with your boss when he's sat in the passenger seat next to you? Or an argument with a partner? If we want to remove distractions I'd say make it illegal for parents to travel with kids in the car. The argument that we can't self manage ourselves is what will be pushed to bring in sat nav enabled speed limiters and, ultimately, self driving cars, because we can't be trusted anymore to make sensible decisions. Is that what you want? I want everyone to be safe on the road. The argument about phone conversations being no less distracting than talking to a passenger or listening to the radio is often made and was trotted out when the initial bans on handheld phones was bought in. It is more dangerous than conversing with a passenger. For one thing most passengers will be also be aware of what is going on around the car and will not ask you for product information whilst you negotiate a busy roundabout. That’s not to say internal factors within the car can cause distraction and you can be prosecuted for causing an accident because you were busy changing a CD or arguing with your children but you cannot get rid of all distractions and no company would try to ban workers playing the radio in their car. But it has been proven that using a phone, even hands free, is even more of a distraction so I’m not sure why we’re arguing about it! I’m not saying we have to completely discard of self management but companies do have to understand that it is a business risk to have staff driving whilst distracted.
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Apr 29, 2019 9:04:03 GMT
Post by Tim on Apr 29, 2019 9:04:03 GMT
I've used the hands free bluetooth thing in the car on a handful of occasions and find it massively more distracting then chatting to a passenger or listening to the radio.
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May 1, 2019 9:21:33 GMT
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May 1, 2019 11:45:30 GMT
Post by LandieMark on May 1, 2019 11:45:30 GMT
There was a queen wasp hiding inside one of my boots this morning. Fuck me, my foot is sore. Evil stripy bitch. 😩
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May 1, 2019 16:50:51 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 16:50:51 GMT
Ouch! I haven't been stung by anything but nettles since I was a child and I hope it continues that way.
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May 1, 2019 19:19:42 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 19:19:42 GMT
I had a bad experience with a horsefly during a shovel recce once. Tight clothing would have been impossible to manage.
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May 1, 2019 21:07:40 GMT
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Post by Andy C on May 1, 2019 21:07:40 GMT
Lionel Messi . Wow . The greatest theres ever been . We should be thankful we’ve seen him in our lifetime
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May 1, 2019 21:17:03 GMT
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Post by LandieMark on May 1, 2019 21:17:03 GMT
I had to google him.
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May 1, 2019 21:32:17 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 21:32:17 GMT
Heard of the fella but never seen any of his stuff. Didn't he get done for not paying taxes?
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May 2, 2019 5:18:28 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on May 2, 2019 5:18:28 GMT
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May 2, 2019 5:29:56 GMT
Post by LandieMark on May 2, 2019 5:29:56 GMT
No, I'm serious. Footballers aren't on my radar at all.
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May 2, 2019 6:24:05 GMT
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Post by bryan on May 2, 2019 6:24:05 GMT
I'm in the same camp as Mark, not a clue who he is or who he plays for!
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May 2, 2019 7:06:17 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 7:06:17 GMT
Sadly, NOT Fulham. Oh well, championship again next season.
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May 2, 2019 7:46:07 GMT
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Post by Andy C on May 2, 2019 7:46:07 GMT
No, I'm serious. Footballers aren't on my radar at all. I thought you were too! For example I’ve heard his name mentioned on the news on the radio twice already this morning .
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May 2, 2019 8:37:10 GMT
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Post by LandieMark on May 2, 2019 8:37:10 GMT
I tend to filter out the sports news as white noise.
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May 2, 2019 11:35:57 GMT
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Post by LandieMark on May 2, 2019 11:35:57 GMT
There was a queen wasp hiding inside one of my boots this morning. Fuck me, my foot is sore. Evil stripy bitch. 😩 Well, that's escalated. Ankle and foot resemble a raw joint of beef and I have pain going up my leg up into my groin. Appointment booked at urgent care which will take care of my afternoon.
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Post by bryan on May 2, 2019 20:39:03 GMT
Ouch I hope it gets sorted quickly
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Post by Alex on May 2, 2019 21:28:03 GMT
Hope you’re on the mend Mark, that doesn’t sound at all pleasant
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May 2, 2019 21:40:49 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 21:40:49 GMT
Reaction? Infected? How's it going now?
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May 3, 2019 6:33:24 GMT
Post by LandieMark on May 3, 2019 6:33:24 GMT
Combination of allergic reaction and infection. I've had it after stings previously, but the last twice I was stung I didn't have much of a reaction.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 10:29:48 GMT
Fingers crossed the swelling goes down soon.
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May 3, 2019 10:45:32 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 10:45:32 GMT
I banged my leg at work and the wound started going manky. They used honey on it when I went to the surgery to have it treated. Still have a small scab nearly two months later.
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May 4, 2019 9:37:55 GMT
Post by Roadsterstu on May 4, 2019 9:37:55 GMT
Combination of allergic reaction and infection. I've had it after stings previously, but the last twice I was stung I didn't have much of a reaction. Ouch. I fucking hate wasps. Hope its feeling better.
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