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Apr 12, 2019 13:39:42 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 13:39:42 GMT
After so much being made of this 'first' picture, I expected a bit more tbh.
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Apr 12, 2019 13:58:38 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 13:58:38 GMT
It's a massive technical achievement - it is 314,580,000,000,000 miles away - what were you expecting, Interstellar?
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Apr 12, 2019 14:40:50 GMT
Post by Alex on Apr 12, 2019 14:40:50 GMT
Bloody hell Mike, it was hardly likely to be full HD!
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Apr 12, 2019 15:45:22 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 15:45:22 GMT
it is 314,580,000,000,000 miles away Glad to hear it! |
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Apr 12, 2019 15:46:32 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 15:46:32 GMT
Oh, there's plenty a lot nearer - this is in a different galaxy, after all. Hence the comment about Massive Technical Achievement!
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Apr 12, 2019 16:37:52 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 16:37:52 GMT
Think you need more zeroes then. One light year is 9,460,730,472,581 miles and our nearest black hole is 3000 light years away. If I round off I make that 28,400,000,000,000,000 miles which I reckon is a bigger number than yours. Messier 87 is about 54 million light years from Earth. That is a ver' large number indeed!
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Apr 12, 2019 16:54:25 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 16:54:25 GMT
About 512,000,000,000,000,000,000 miles (512 quintillion) if I've not confused myself!
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Apr 13, 2019 6:47:56 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 6:47:56 GMT
I have to put my hand up and own the schoolboy error(s). I did it based upon light years, not millions of light years, plus cocking up something else not immediately apparent to me - danger of doing things in a hurry!
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Apr 14, 2019 18:38:39 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 18:38:39 GMT
Just uninstalled iTunes and all other Crapple software from my Windows PC. Tis a great feeling!
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Apr 14, 2019 20:02:41 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 20:02:41 GMT
I still have y tunes but only because I have a y pod which I use with a y pod docking station (Bose) I like a lot. y tunes always tries to update with senseless updates for cloud and sellability features so I have not updated for some time. I also get thoroughly po'd that it tries to install all sorts of crapple software I do not want and will not have on my pc.
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Apr 23, 2019 9:07:51 GMT
Post by Tim on Apr 23, 2019 9:07:51 GMT
One of the company car drivers at work has been done for speeding and we think that puts him on 12 points.
Notifications like this come to me (as the designated office 'car guy') so there's plenty of opportunity for speculation.
Sadly the victim is currently on holiday in Florida and I'm going to have to break the bad news when he comes back.
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Apr 23, 2019 10:00:33 GMT
Post by Alex on Apr 23, 2019 10:00:33 GMT
One of the company car drivers at work has been done for speeding and we think that puts him on 12 points. Notifications like this come to me (as the designated office 'car guy') so there's plenty of opportunity for speculation. Sadly the victim is currently on holiday in Florida and I'm going to have to break the bad news when he comes back. Does a ban mean he’ll lose his job? Presumably your company’s motor insurance provider won’t be happy either even if he does avoid a ban by pleading with the judge. |
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Apr 23, 2019 10:57:14 GMT
Post by Tim on Apr 23, 2019 10:57:14 GMT
Not sure how that would work out, I reckon he does about 12k a year on business but a lot of it is between Edinburgh and Dundee so the train would be ok.
However, he does sometimes go to see clients at their houses which could be out in the sticks.
I'm not sure the insurer is concerned - I notified them of his last lot of points a few months ago and they didn't ask for any extra.
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Apr 23, 2019 11:29:02 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 11:29:02 GMT
Insurers can be weird, someone my dad knew had on claim against him while drink driving, he got his one year ban and was surprised he had no increase on his insurance. He was told it was due to having a two claim limit without affecting his rating and he had just the one.
He hit about a dozen cars while bouncing from one side of the road to the other, in Knightsbridge, I think the total claim was in excess of a million. Not bad for the one claim. No, they could not get him for drink driving as it took two days to find him.
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Apr 23, 2019 11:31:43 GMT
Post by Alex on Apr 23, 2019 11:31:43 GMT
But a driving ban may be viewed less favourably. I guess it also could depend on his standing In the business. Making alternative arrangements to see clients is probably ok for a long standing employee who has good customer relationships and is well respected in the business but other firms, including ours, would likely see this as gross misconduct. I’m no HR expert however so I don’t have a clue about the legalities of dismissing someone on this basis.
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Apr 23, 2019 11:54:15 GMT
Post by Tim on Apr 23, 2019 11:54:15 GMT
But a driving ban may be viewed less favourably. I guess it also could depend on his standing In the business. Making alternative arrangements to see clients is probably ok for a long standing employee who has good customer relationships and is well respected in the business but other firms, including ours, would likely see this as gross misconduct. I’m no HR expert however so I don’t have a clue about the legalities of dismissing someone on this basis. I'm not sure we would get rid of him - not only is he a well respected colleague it would take longer to find a replacement and train them up than to reallocate some clients to a colleague to make his life easier. Also he would undoubtedly take some business away with him wherever he went. He said one lot of points drop off in June but at the moment his greatest fear is what his wife's reaction will be! |
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Apr 23, 2019 12:31:03 GMT
Post by ChrisM on Apr 23, 2019 12:31:03 GMT
He said one lot of points drop off in June but at the moment his greatest fear is what his wife's reaction will be! So wait the longest amount of time that you can before returning the paperwork to identify the driver, and if he does the same once the papers drop though his door, by the time the paperwork gets processed he may well be looking at some time in June anyway. He may then have to take a week or two's holiday or work from home, and he should be OK. I do hope that this serves as a grave warning that he needs to slow down, though |
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Apr 23, 2019 13:13:26 GMT
Post by Tim on Apr 23, 2019 13:13:26 GMT
After the last lot took him to 9 points he says he has been driving like a nun, clearly this was the one time he wasn't!
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Apr 23, 2019 20:38:37 GMT
Post by Alex on Apr 23, 2019 20:38:37 GMT
You’ll have to fit a speed limiter on his car to help keep him in check.
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Apr 24, 2019 8:37:31 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 8:37:31 GMT
Block of wood under the accelerator?
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Apr 24, 2019 11:18:18 GMT
Post by Alex on Apr 24, 2019 11:18:18 GMT
Block of wood under the accelerator? By the sounds of it he’d probably move it to below the brake pedal! |
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Apr 24, 2019 12:20:55 GMT
Post by Tim on Apr 24, 2019 12:20:55 GMT
I don't think he's a committed fast driver, just a touch careless.
I certainly don't imagine that he ever takes the scenic route to find a nice bit of road.
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Apr 24, 2019 13:39:43 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 13:39:43 GMT
Maybe he should. Might be less chance of getting caught!
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Apr 24, 2019 17:52:56 GMT
Post by Roadsterstu on Apr 24, 2019 17:52:56 GMT
But a driving ban may be viewed less favourably. I guess it also could depend on his standing In the business. Making alternative arrangements to see clients is probably ok for a long standing employee who has good customer relationships and is well respected in the business but other firms, including ours, would likely see this as gross misconduct. I’m no HR expert however so I don’t have a clue about the legalities of dismissing someone on this basis. I'm not sure we would get rid of him - not only is he a well respected colleague it would take longer to find a replacement and train them up than to reallocate some clients to a colleague to make his life easier. Also he would undoubtedly take some business away with him wherever he went. He said one lot of points drop off in June but at the moment his greatest fear is what his wife's reaction will be! Well respected or not, what about health and safety, company reputation etc? Rather different to my line of work, granted, but perhaps some kind of disciplinary action is in order? To allow an employee to gather enough points to earn a ban on a totter whilst in a company car, on company business, must be a bit of an issue. |
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Apr 24, 2019 17:55:05 GMT
Post by Roadsterstu on Apr 24, 2019 17:55:05 GMT
He said one lot of points drop off in June but at the moment his greatest fear is what his wife's reaction will be! So wait the longest amount of time that you can before returning the paperwork to identify the driver, and if he does the same once the papers drop though his door, by the time the paperwork gets processed he may well be looking at some time in June anyway. He may then have to take a week or two's holiday or work from home, and he should be OK. I do hope that this serves as a grave warning that he needs to slow down, though Clearly none of the "warnings" to now have worked (points on points) and how else does his driving fall short of a decent standard? |
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Apr 24, 2019 19:19:47 GMT
Post by Alex on Apr 24, 2019 19:19:47 GMT
You’re right regarding health and safety and company reputation but most businesses have driving at work policies that are suitably vague (or non existent- you’d be amazed at how some rather big businesses have failed to write a policy on this) that they don’t specifically say that breaking traffic laws is a disciplinary matter unless they’re drink driving. I’ve come across one recently that actively encourages making business calls whilst driving using the Bluetooth hands free system despite me pointing out that this is illegal and can be considered as driving without due care and attention.
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Apr 24, 2019 19:30:09 GMT
Post by Martin on Apr 24, 2019 19:30:09 GMT
You’re right regarding health and safety and company reputation but most businesses have driving at work policies that are suitably vague (or non existent- you’d be amazed at how some rather big businesses have failed to write a policy on this) that they don’t specifically say that breaking traffic laws is a disciplinary matter unless they’re drink driving. I’ve come across one recently that actively encourages making business calls whilst driving using the Bluetooth hands free system despite me pointing out that this is illegal and can be considered as driving without due care and attention. Illegal to use Bluetooth? As you say, you can be prosecuted for driving without due care and attention. Going back a few years now, but my ex employer used to automatically fit hand free car kits to company carsand then make you sign a policy that stated it would only be used for charging the phone.....yeah, right. Lindsay’s employer won’t let any employee make business calls or join conference calls whilst driving. My days would be even longer if I couldn’t do that. |
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Apr 24, 2019 20:52:06 GMT
Post by Alex on Apr 24, 2019 20:52:06 GMT
You’re right regarding health and safety and company reputation but most businesses have driving at work policies that are suitably vague (or non existent- you’d be amazed at how some rather big businesses have failed to write a policy on this) that they don’t specifically say that breaking traffic laws is a disciplinary matter unless they’re drink driving. I’ve come across one recently that actively encourages making business calls whilst driving using the Bluetooth hands free system despite me pointing out that this is illegal and can be considered as driving without due care and attention. Illegal to use Bluetooth? As you say, you can be prosecuted for driving without due care and attention. Going back a few years now, but my ex employer used to automatically fit hand free car kits to company carsand then make you sign a policy that stated it would only be used for charging the phone.....yeah, right. Lindsay’s employer won’t let any employee make business calls or join conference calls whilst driving. My days would be even longer if I couldn’t do that. Not illegal to use Bluetooth, but illegal to be distracted ie. driving without due care. Business calls, or indeed taking phone calls whilst driving would fall into this catagory and indeed when I did a driver awareness course a couple of years back nearly all the other attendees had fallen foul of this law assuming that using hands free whilst driving was perfectly acceptable. |
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Apr 25, 2019 8:01:40 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Apr 25, 2019 8:01:40 GMT
Illegal to use Bluetooth? As you say, you can be prosecuted for driving without due care and attention. Going back a few years now, but my ex employer used to automatically fit hand free car kits to company carsand then make you sign a policy that stated it would only be used for charging the phone.....yeah, right. Lindsay’s employer won’t let any employee make business calls or join conference calls whilst driving. My days would be even longer if I couldn’t do that. Not illegal to use Bluetooth, but illegal to be distracted ie. driving without due care. Business calls, or indeed taking phone calls whilst driving would fall into this catagory and indeed when I did a driver awareness course a couple of years back nearly all the other attendees had fallen foul of this law assuming that using hands free whilst driving was perfectly acceptable. Which it is. There's a lot of misunderstanding regarding hands free phones. It is perfectly legal to make and receive calls on a handsfree phone in the car. Driving without due care and attention is a catch all and could equally apply to carrying on a conversation with a passenger in the car, changing a CD, watching kids in the rear with a mirror etc, all of which could cause you to have an accident and if the police thinks that's a significant contributing factor then they prosecute under driving without due care and attention. Health and Safety is incorrectly seen by many as the elimination of risk - if that was the case we'd have to shut up shop and never manufacture anything again. It's all about the management of risk. |
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Apr 25, 2019 8:23:18 GMT
Post by Martin on Apr 25, 2019 8:23:18 GMT
Exactly, you’ll never eliminate risk entirely, es when you’re dealing with humans.
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