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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Apr 1, 2019 9:48:00 GMT
Careers guidance in school, one more thing that had nothing positive to tell students. Basically my school was providing fodder for building sites and if lucky, we were thought to be able to achieve plumbing rate. Basically they taught down to a standard so I do hope they have improved. Those lucky plumbers will be earning a bastard fortune now.
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Apr 1, 2019 9:53:04 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 9:53:04 GMT
When they bother turning up!
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Apr 1, 2019 10:13:50 GMT
Post by johnc on Apr 1, 2019 10:13:50 GMT
I think education these days is pretty good, based upon local schools, anyway. My daughter was given a psychometric type test recently as part of career advice. The results gave her a list of jobs they considered best suited her abilities, passions and strengths. She has always wanted to do something medical but really isn't enjoying the sciences and excels at language, economics and English. The results suggested a career path more down the legal or financial paths. I think this came as a great relief to her because she is now quite settled that she will give up the sciences after her Nat 5's (O levels) and concentrate on the subjects that will allow her to take law with languages at University.
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Apr 1, 2019 10:23:22 GMT
Post by ChrisM on Apr 1, 2019 10:23:22 GMT
I had an assessment by an agency a good few years back, and they concluded that I was in a ob that ideally suited me (Quality Engineer) ! Kind of good to know in one way, just a shame that there's not more money in it. Far from being at companies that were taken over and money given to staff, many of my former employers went bang, largely due to bad management.
I suppose that in many ways, I've made the best of what was on offer (2 of my past jobs were from nationally advertised positions in the Daily Telegraph - used to be a Thursday jobs supplement), it's just frustrating that I've not been able to make more of my life. However as one recruiter said some years back, you may be very frustrated that you cannot find something better, but I have on my books people with more experience and ability that you sitting at home unemployed as they cannot find anyone able to offer them a position.
A lot is down to chance/luck, I suppose, and although things have not been as good as they could have been (the jobs I really liked never lasted due to issues with the companies suffering downturns in fortune, and my uni placement year is still probably the best working year of my life), I suppose that things could also have been far worse..... not too much consolation when you suffer from depression, I know, but we are all different and react in different ways to situations.
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Apr 1, 2019 10:40:55 GMT
Post by racingteatray on Apr 1, 2019 10:40:55 GMT
Careers guidance in school, one more thing that had nothing positive to tell students. Basically my school was providing fodder for building sites and if lucky, we were thought to be able to achieve plumbing rate. Basically they taught down to a standard so I do hope they have improved. At the other end of the spectrum, I went to one of the country's top private schools where we did get some careers guidance at 15 ahead of picking our A-levels (aimed at helping you pick the *right* ones).
First we had to sit some sort of psychometric testing which, as I recall, determined that I should either become a tree surgeon or a vet.
Then you had a meeting with the careers master, a grey-haired old fart, who asked you if you had any idea what you wanted to be. I remember him being really quite surprised when I told him I knew exactly what I wanted to be, what I wanted to study and where. He turned scarlet when I told him I wanted to be a car designer and that I wanted to study transport design at Coventry...
When he finished spluttering, he told me in no uncertain terms that my parents hadn't paid for me to have one of the most expensive educations on the planet just for me to then go to a polytechnic to draw cars and that I was required to abandon such stupid ideas immediately and think again.
Complete cockwomble.
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Apr 1, 2019 11:12:14 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Apr 1, 2019 11:12:14 GMT
Actually it's funny how often you hear of careers officers dismissing or belittling people's job ambitions which then only serves to spur them on even more and make them more determined to prove them wrong. It's almost as if it's deliberate policy/test. Maybe these cockwombles are cleverer than we think!
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Apr 1, 2019 12:52:58 GMT
Post by michael on Apr 1, 2019 12:52:58 GMT
Wow, congratulations! I'm really pleased you're going for this, it sounds like you've more than earned it.
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Apr 1, 2019 13:38:03 GMT
Post by Martin on Apr 1, 2019 13:38:03 GMT
I have a business manager but the online tool I use to get an advisory rate is: www.lombard.co.uk/lombard/products-services/assets/vehicles.html?extcam=L_PBP_GGL_Bus_LmbrdCV_ZOMThis applies to business but they also do personal deals at competitive rates or as Martin mentioned a personal loan from Tesco is very attractive, up to £25K. If you want an idea of costs put yourself down as self employed which will let you in to the calculator but you will need to phone the number they give for personal applications. I was flicking back through this thread and made the mistake of clicking on the link.....that's lost me some time! It's brought up some interesting future options, particularly if/when my mileage drops or we flip the budgets around.
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Apr 1, 2019 13:43:28 GMT
Post by racingteatray on Apr 1, 2019 13:43:28 GMT
Actually it's funny how often you hear of careers officers dismissing or belittling people's job ambitions which then only serves to spur them on even more and make them more determined to prove them wrong. It's almost as if it's deliberate policy/test. Maybe these cockwombles are cleverer than we think! Except it didn't work in my case. My parents weren't massively more thrilled than the careers master, so I ended up being talked out of it.
It will be my main life regret. I'd have been good at it!
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Post by PG on Apr 1, 2019 14:12:31 GMT
I think education these days is pretty good, based upon local schools, anyway. My daughter was given a psychometric type test recently as part of career advice. The results gave her a list of jobs they considered best suited her abilities, passions and strengths. She has always wanted to do something medical but really isn't enjoying the sciences and excels at language, economics and English. The results suggested a career path more down the legal or financial paths. I think this came as a great relief to her because she is now quite settled that she will give up the sciences after her Nat 5's (O levels) and concentrate on the subjects that will allow her to take law with languages at University. I went to a fee paying day school. I don't think we ever had any careers guidance at school. A level choices were either what you needed if you knew what you wanted to be (e.g doctor, dentist, vet, join the forces etc) or were good at subject wise, or if that was more than 3 subjects, parental "persuasion" plus that fact that the timetable set up only allowed certain A levels to be grouped together did the job. Target was to get as many people as possible into university. Careers seemed almost secondary to that aim. That's how I ended up doing a chemistry degree - parental persuasion. After three years of that, an accountancy career seemed positively exciting.
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Apr 1, 2019 14:42:41 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Apr 1, 2019 14:42:41 GMT
Actually it's funny how often you hear of careers officers dismissing or belittling people's job ambitions which then only serves to spur them on even more and make them more determined to prove them wrong. It's almost as if it's deliberate policy/test. Maybe these cockwombles are cleverer than we think! Except it didn't work in my case. My parents weren't massively more thrilled than the careers master, so I ended up being talked out of it.
It will be my main life regret. I'd have been good at it!
I think following the revelations in another thread regarding your carny heritage is your ultimate career destination not to take on the Hugh Jackman role in The Greatest Showman?
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Apr 2, 2019 21:05:42 GMT
Post by Big Blue on Apr 2, 2019 21:05:42 GMT
I love the careers advice stories. I was told by my physics master that one day I would find out that life was not one big joke, and after five kids and a divorce he's probably not wrong - but then again he's inside for fiddling with little girls (a refreshing change) so his advice is probably best taken with a pinch of salt. Like PG my school was more concerned with the grades you'd need to get to Uni as opposed to what you were suited to. I got a place in Electronic Engineering at UCL in 1986. I started a degree in Quantity Surveying in 1989 having not gone to UCL because the day visit showed me how shit that was going to be compared to what probably remains the best 2 years of my life (the 6th form - you have to remember that my dad was posted overseas; my mother lived in the USA and my 5-year-older sister was a Gitanes smoking free spirit that used to hand me cash to "go out and live while you're young")
At my school you were to be an engineer, a doctor or you'd failed as far as I could see (a few went to be stock market shouty bastards which is clearly failure). I've had a varied career which is currently in a role which sounds impressive, is high(ish) profile, pays me well and is utterly shite. I'm now probably at the stage in life whereby I can change career and not be scared of not earning loads of money so maybe that's a consideration. Again, no one told you when you were 16 that you could change careers (even when you're 50). Some of the roles I've had couldn't be described in career terms by the people that have employed me, let alone by a school master in the '80s that was educated in the '50s!
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Apr 3, 2019 12:34:31 GMT
Post by Tim on Apr 3, 2019 12:34:31 GMT
In 5th year, I think, we had a few classes where we got to fill in a questionnaire which was sent away and came back with some job ideas. The only ones I can remember were actuary, which seemed very specific, and transport manager! Clearly I filled the questions in randomly.
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Apr 3, 2019 13:50:20 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Apr 3, 2019 13:50:20 GMT
I clearly remember one lesson we had about careers and the question was put out there; "What do you want to be when you leave school?" A tall , ginger-haired lad with glasses put his hand up and said firmly; "Gynecologist". We all fell about laughing but to be fair he did go on to fulfill his dream and become a successful gyno. I don't think he even came from a medical family. Maybe he just had thin wrists.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 17:03:59 GMT
Or just really liked the smell of crabsticks.
Our careers teacher was useless. When I spoke to him and told him I didn't know what I wanted to do he just said he couldn't help me then and that I'd not amount to much anyway based on my deeply ingrained unwillingness to actually do any schoolwork. To be fair, he was correct on that bit!
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Apr 3, 2019 18:43:17 GMT
Post by Boxer6 on Apr 3, 2019 18:43:17 GMT
I don't remember our school even having a careers teacher!
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Apr 4, 2019 6:51:53 GMT
Post by johnc on Apr 4, 2019 6:51:53 GMT
My old car left last night and I got a text back from the dealer who bought it to say "What a tool! Fantastic". I hope the new one is even better. Pick up tomorrow morning if the dealer gets its act together. Communication has been pretty poor this week due to the salesman I was dealing with, being off sick. He also said he would pick us up from Luton airport but someone else I spoke to yesterday gave me the impression that would not be happening so I am left a bit in limbo. I will try to get it sorted today but I have been the one to instigate everything this week including getting the tracker fitted and paid for (with a £200 mis-quote on the tracker fees!) which doesn't feel right.
EDIT - he's back at work today and communication has resumed!
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Apr 4, 2019 8:48:17 GMT
Post by Martin on Apr 4, 2019 8:48:17 GMT
Pleased to hear it’s back in track.
If I’d been around tomorrow, you could have had a luxury airport transfer!
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Apr 4, 2019 8:58:40 GMT
Post by johnc on Apr 4, 2019 8:58:40 GMT
Pleased to hear it’s back in track. If I’d been around tomorrow, you could have had a luxury airport transfer! It would have been good to put a face to the posts. You know where i'll be for most of the morning if you want a coffee!
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Apr 4, 2019 9:09:21 GMT
Post by Martin on Apr 4, 2019 9:09:21 GMT
Pleased to hear it’s back in track. If I’d been around tomorrow, you could have had a luxury airport transfer! It would have been good to put a face to the posts. You know where i'll be for most of the morning if you want a coffee! Thank you, but I’m in Swindon tomorrow unfortunately. Hopefully they’ve finished the BMW showroom refurbishment now, the last time I was there (service) I was squashed into the back on the Mini showroom was housing all the services and sales team plus a small customer waiting area.
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Apr 4, 2019 9:20:02 GMT
Post by PetrolEd on Apr 4, 2019 9:20:02 GMT
Enjoy the drive back John.
Careers advice is interesting looking back on it. I went to a school that was reviewed as "eton for thickies" so its no wonder I'm not employed in the professions industry. I've always hated being forced to learn but have a thirst for knowledge on my own terms so university wasn't for me and dropped out after year one. Its odd how University is now a must for everyone but really isn't needed for 80% of the population.
After I dropped out I thought what do I like? Cars, so got myself a Job as a trainee sales bod at the local Alfa Romeo dealer. Did alright there and so ended up doing the finance on cars which gave me just enough credibility to get a job with Barclays as a trainee finance bloke. Went from there to several other banking institutions until the recession hit in 2009 and I had to find jobs to cover 3 years of wages. In that time I did Estate Agency, Selling Car parking spaces in the West End, Business Rate reductions until I got a job with my current employer.
Do I love my job? No but it just about pays the bills which is more than 90% of the population get. If I had my time again I'd have liked to have been an architect. My careers advice came back as Quantity Surveyor so not far out to be fair. If only I'd listened.
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Apr 4, 2019 9:31:17 GMT
Post by racingteatray on Apr 4, 2019 9:31:17 GMT
I went to a school that was reviewed as "eton for thickies" so its no wonder I'm not employed in the professions industry. You went to Stowe?
For some reason I had it in mind you were at Bryanston, a school my parents also took me around before plumping for family tradition.
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Apr 4, 2019 9:35:36 GMT
Post by racingteatray on Apr 4, 2019 9:35:36 GMT
My old car left last night and I got a text back from the dealer who bought it to say "What a tool! Fantastic". I hope the new one is even better. Pick up tomorrow morning if the dealer gets its act together. Communication has been pretty poor this week due to the salesman I was dealing with, being off sick. He also said he would pick us up from Luton airport but someone else I spoke to yesterday gave me the impression that would not be happening so I am left a bit in limbo. I will try to get it sorted today but I have been the one to instigate everything this week including getting the tracker fitted and paid for (with a £200 mis-quote on the tracker fees!) which doesn't feel right. EDIT - he's back at work today and communication has resumed! Good luck! How extremely exciting!
How did you shift the old car?
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Apr 4, 2019 9:37:14 GMT
Post by ChrisM on Apr 4, 2019 9:37:14 GMT
I'm due to be in Higham Ferrers next Wednesday.....
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Apr 4, 2019 9:47:49 GMT
Post by PetrolEd on Apr 4, 2019 9:47:49 GMT
I went to a school that was reviewed as "eton for thickies" so its no wonder I'm not employed in the professions industry. You went to Stowe?
For some reason I had it in mind you were at Bryanston, a school my parents also took me around before plumping for family tradition.
I wish, in fact to be fair those who went to the more education establishments probably looked at Stowe as the Dunces and Stowe lorded up over us as the intelligentsia. Milton Abbey is where I went, very close to Bryanston, the only folk we could out wit was those from Shiplake
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Apr 4, 2019 10:40:09 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 10:40:09 GMT
Eton for thickies? I used to live in Eton and there were some exceedingly dense students going there back then!
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Apr 4, 2019 10:54:01 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Apr 4, 2019 10:54:01 GMT
Eton for thickies? I used to live in Eton and there were some exceedingly dense students going there back then! If you look across the pond to the college admissions scandal going on there, with parents "bribing" colleges with donations, exam cheating, fake sporting and extra curricular achievements and activities etc, it would be naive to think similar practices don't go on over here with top schools.
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Apr 4, 2019 11:02:33 GMT
Post by racingteatray on Apr 4, 2019 11:02:33 GMT
Certainly my school, which values winning rugby 7s tournaments almost as highly as academic league tables, used to dole out scholarships to kids who were, for example, extremely good at rugby but perhaps not that academically gifted.
Probably they do similar down the road at Eton.
But Stowe definitely has a reputation for being where the upper classes send their Tim Nice but Dims.
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Apr 4, 2019 11:28:01 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Apr 4, 2019 11:28:01 GMT
Certainly my school, which values winning rugby 7s tournaments almost as highly as academic league tables, used to dole out scholarships to kids who were, for example, extremely good at rugby but perhaps not that academically gifted. Probably they do similar down the road at Eton. But Stowe definitely has a reputation for being where the upper classes send their Tim Nice but Dims. As a favour my brother employed General Richard Dannatt's son, Ollie. While entertaining, he said it was the first time he'd come across a proper Tim Nice But Dim as and he had to let him go. Or rather tried to, he refused to accept it, and kept turning up for work.
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Apr 4, 2019 13:12:40 GMT
Post by johnc on Apr 4, 2019 13:12:40 GMT
Good luck! How extremely exciting!
How did you shift the old car?
I have a few used car dealers as clients. I always give the longest standing one first refusal and he always gives me £1,000 to £1,500 more than trade-in or WBAC. He knows my cars always come with full history, are well looked after and have perfect paint and body work. I could probably get another £1,000 or so selling it privately but that might take some time to achieve. This way I get a bank transfer straight away and the car is gone. He will make £2K+ out of the deal easily so in a round about sort of way, we are all winners.
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