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Post by johnc on Aug 29, 2019 10:28:07 GMT
If electric cars become mainstream then the charging points and the standardisation of charge rates and connections will have to be put in place. Once a standard is in place it will probably be the power (or possibly oil) companies who take up the mantle and start to build a proper infrastructure to support all the vehicles.
I think individual vehicle manufacturer charging solutions will be consigned to the bin except perhaps contactless charging mats etc for use at home.
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Post by Tim on Aug 29, 2019 11:16:02 GMT
The car manufacturers are following a well established path.
They provide the vehicle and someone else provides the fuel.
AKAIK the fuel providers are likely to be the same ones we're well used to seeing, mainly BP and Shell as both of those have recently spent a decent wedge on buying electric charging point companies.
I'm sure when ICE engines first appeared there were very few petrol stations but latterly there's been enough to support mass transit and I expect the same will happen with electric charging points.
In addition, at the car park I use every day Dundee City Council have recently had a load of cabling installed, presumably in anticipation of providing a load of new charging points.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Aug 29, 2019 11:21:08 GMT
The car manufacturers are following a well established path. They provide the vehicle and someone else provides the fuel. AKAIK the fuel providers are likely to be the same ones we're well used to seeing, mainly BP and Shell as both of those have recently spent a decent wedge on buying electric charging point companies. I'm sure when ICE engines first appeared there were very few petrol stations but latterly there's been enough to support mass transit and I expect the same will happen with electric charging points. In addition, at the car park I use every day Dundee City Council have recently had a load of cabling installed, presumably in anticipation of providing a load of new charging points. You had to buy your petrol from Chemists' shops. I'm going to take my Tesla recharging cable into Boots and see if they're still so accommodating. |
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Post by michael on Aug 29, 2019 11:24:12 GMT
You had to buy your petrol from Chemists' shops. I'm going to take my Tesla recharging cable into Boots and see if they're still so accommodating. Now you're just trying to goad me into a debate about how long Boots has left! |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Aug 29, 2019 12:09:23 GMT
You had to buy your petrol from Chemists' shops. I'm going to take my Tesla recharging cable into Boots and see if they're still so accommodating. Now you're just trying to goad me into a debate about how long Boots has left!  Fine company , cutting edge corn plasters, sexiest make up girls on the high street etc etc.. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 12:17:49 GMT
The only reason we're being pushed into BEVs is so they can apply extra taxes to electricity and to plug us further into the Borg Collective. By the time EVs are commonplace (and they're realising, just like the push towards diesel cars, that it was a stupid idea in the first place) these vehicles will be reporting where they've been, where they're going, how long they were in those places and how much taxable electricity they used doing it all.
We're already hooked on the internet and our phones and turning the car into a smartphone on wheels is all too enticing for the simple minded. They can prise my petrol steering wheel out of my dead hands because I won't be buying into the BEV con.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Aug 29, 2019 12:53:30 GMT
The only reason we're being pushed into BEVs is so they can apply extra taxes to electricity and to plug us further into the Borg Collective. By the time EVs are commonplace (and they're realising, just like the push towards diesel cars, that it was a stupid idea in the first place) these vehicles will be reporting where they've been, where they're going, how long they were in those places and how much taxable electricity they used doing it all. We're already hooked on the internet and our phones and turning the car into a smartphone on wheels is all too enticing for the simple minded. They can prise my petrol steering wheel out of my dead hands because I won't be buying into the BEV con. As Mercedes recently admitted our ICE cars are already reporting where they are, where they've been etc. back to the Borg Collective. |
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Post by Tim on Aug 29, 2019 13:19:47 GMT
The car manufacturers are following a well established path. They provide the vehicle and someone else provides the fuel. AKAIK the fuel providers are likely to be the same ones we're well used to seeing, mainly BP and Shell as both of those have recently spent a decent wedge on buying electric charging point companies. I'm sure when ICE engines first appeared there were very few petrol stations but latterly there's been enough to support mass transit and I expect the same will happen with electric charging points. In addition, at the car park I use every day Dundee City Council have recently had a load of cabling installed, presumably in anticipation of providing a load of new charging points. You had to buy your petrol from Chemists' shops. I'm going to take my Tesla recharging cable into Boots and see if they're still so accommodating. They probably would've accommodated you until the point they were bought by some vampire Equity Capitalists  |
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Post by Martin on Aug 29, 2019 16:52:24 GMT
We’re having a few days in Somerset with the kids and the hotel has 3 Tesla chargers, there’s an S parked in one of the spaces but it isn’t plugged it. I’m in adjacent space, with a V8 Mustang next to me, Its like a mini ICE protest...
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Post by Tim on Sept 3, 2019 10:03:54 GMT
The photos of the front of the Taycan so far have reminded me of a small 1960s ot 70s glassibre sportscar and I can't quite remember what it was.
I had Clan Crusader in mind but it isn't that and nor is it the Mini Marcos but there was definitely something that had rectangular recessed headlights.
Anyway I see from the latest Autocar that they're only a small part of the lights and the full things are HUGE and not, to my eyes, very attractive.
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Post by michael on Sept 3, 2019 10:10:56 GMT
Bond Bug? You know the Taycan in Autocar has stickers that look like lights around the actual units, don't you?
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Post by Tim on Sept 3, 2019 11:32:19 GMT
Bond Bug? You know the Taycan in Autocar has stickers that look like lights around the actual units, don't you? I didn't know that, I thought they were just massive LED fairy lights (that weren't switched on) but I haven't looked closely at the article because it holds pretty much zero interest for me. It's not the bond bug, the car I'm thinking of had 4 wheels and probably a 1.6 or 2 litre engine. I thought it might've been a Matra Djet but that's too curvy plus it has round lights. |
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Post by michael on Sept 3, 2019 12:35:28 GMT
I know what you mean, there's something with that look to it. For me it might be the Lamborghini 400GT, that's got a similar headlamp arrangement.
EDIT: Might be the 350GT, I had to resort to Google.
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Post by michael on Sept 4, 2019 13:41:53 GMT
I like it  |
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Post by PetrolEd on Sept 4, 2019 14:38:27 GMT
Not bad
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Post by Martin on Sept 4, 2019 16:46:04 GMT
I do like that and it's great to see an all electric car that isn't an SUV.
We were right about the pricing though, £116k for the Turbo (671hp) and £139k for the Turbo S (750hp). Blimey.
A 280 mile range is a bit disappointing
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Post by Martin on Sept 4, 2019 19:47:13 GMT
It’s on the configurator. £134k for a Turbo in the spec I’d want, without going too mad. Some of the things in the pictures such as the electric operation of the charging port covers and passenger screen are options.
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Post by racingteatray on Sept 4, 2019 21:25:54 GMT
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Post by johnc on Sept 5, 2019 7:43:53 GMT
I'm looking forward to the Audi version (i-Tron GT?) which I think is an even better looking car (and might be £20K cheaper).
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Post by Andy C on Sept 5, 2019 9:49:43 GMT
I think it looks brilliant, although I wish the interior was less fussy
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Post by PG on Sept 5, 2019 12:56:35 GMT
But why call it the Turbo and Turbo S? Seems a bit crass.
I think they've done a good job producing a four door 911, but as already said, the range seems very disappointing. I'd have expected 350 miles at least. As if you take it on the autobahn, that 250 miles range is going to fall away very quickly.
The pricing makes a Tesla S or an i-pace look great value.
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Post by michael on Sept 5, 2019 14:17:26 GMT
The pricing makes a Tesla S or an i-pace look great value. I think Bob alluded to this earlier on, we're not comparing like with like. Perhaps this is like comparing a Panamera with an XF - they're not playing in the same market but it's difficult to see that because we're not sure how to best classify different types of electric car.
What I do like about it is it's size, it seems refreshing to have less bulk visually even though at the scales the opposite is true. The range probably isn't an issue for 90% of driving but it's that 10% is still begin enough a block to have me go for a regular engine.
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Post by racingteatray on Sept 5, 2019 14:28:43 GMT
To me it's Rolls Royce who are really missing a trick with EVs.
It's a pioneering brand whose early cars were renowned for their silence and whose later cars were supposed to be so quiet you could hear the clock tick. Plus all that "ample power" business.
Electricity sounds tailor-made for a Phantom.
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Post by michael on Sept 5, 2019 14:39:44 GMT
They did a concept electric Phantom I think, I seem to remember it being turquoise. I read an article at the time that reached the same conclusion you just have. BMW have announced in the last few weeks it's on the card, too.
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Post by racingteatray on Sept 5, 2019 14:54:26 GMT
Well quite. Odd that they've then slept on it for 8 yrs.
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Post by PG on Sept 5, 2019 14:57:46 GMT
The pricing makes a Tesla S or an i-pace look great value. I think Bob alluded to this earlier on, we're not comparing like with like. Perhaps this is like comparing a Panamera with an XF - they're not playing in the same market but it's difficult to see that because we're not sure how to best classify different types of electric car.
What I do like about it is it's size, it seems refreshing to have less bulk visually even though at the scales the opposite is true. The range probably isn't an issue for 90% of driving but it's that 10% is still begin enough a block to have me go for a regular engine.
I agree that we may not be comparing like with like in pure terms, but at the moment the key comparators for electric cars seem to be price; 0-60 (they are all bloody fast at this top end, so really that's not relevant); range; charging ease. Plus of course desirability as usual. So my comparison was more on those measurable parameters, which is really all we have at the moment. |
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Post by Martin on Sept 5, 2019 15:08:53 GMT
I think Bob alluded to this earlier on, we're not comparing like with like. Perhaps this is like comparing a Panamera with an XF - they're not playing in the same market but it's difficult to see that because we're not sure how to best classify different types of electric car.
What I do like about it is it's size, it seems refreshing to have less bulk visually even though at the scales the opposite is true. The range probably isn't an issue for 90% of driving but it's that 10% is still begin enough a block to have me go for a regular engine.
I agree that we may not be comparing like with like in pure terms, but at the moment the key comparators for electric cars seem to be price; 0-60 (they are all bloody fast at this top end, so really that's not relevant); range; charging ease. Plus of course desirability as usual. So my comparison was more on those measurable parameters, which is really all we have at the moment. I agree and that’s because they’re the things we can most easily understand, but think it’s also because of our limited (zero in my case) experience of driving different EVs and being able to count the decent options on one hand. |
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Post by michael on Sept 5, 2019 15:18:29 GMT
I agree that we may not be comparing like with like in pure terms, but at the moment the key comparators for electric cars seem to be price; 0-60 (they are all bloody fast at this top end, so really that's not relevant); range; charging ease. Plus of course desirability as usual. So my comparison was more on those measurable parameters, which is really all we have at the moment. It reveals quite a lot about where you look for those parameters. You're going for performance but I'm looking at the design and interior, I know which one I'd say was a £100k+ car to sit in! |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Sept 5, 2019 17:56:04 GMT
But why call it the Turbo and Turbo S? Seems a bit crass. I think they've done a good job producing a four door 911, but as already said, the range seems very disappointing. I'd have expected 350 miles at least. As if you take it on the autobahn, that 250 miles range is going to fall away very quickly. The pricing makes a Tesla S or an i-pace look great value. Exactly. There is no turbo. It is not turbocharged. Therefore, the name is bollocks. Sure, it has a link to ICE powered Porsches, but surely a new naming process would be better. That said, I think the Taken looks great, even sounds good in a sci-fi movie kind of way and the performance is brilliant. Just a daft name! |
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Post by Roadrunner on Sept 6, 2019 6:53:23 GMT
They did a concept electric Phantom I think, I seem to remember it being turquoise. I read an article at the time that reached the same conclusion you just have. BMW have announced in the last few weeks it's on the card, too.
I seem to recall that it didn't meet with great enthusiasm when announced and so was put on the back burner. Odd since, as others have said, an electric drive train would suit a Royce very well indeed. Also appropriate, since Henry Royce was originally an electrical engineer. |
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