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Post by bryan on Aug 3, 2018 8:52:02 GMT
Has anyone on here used a decent 3d bathroom planning tool? and can make some recommendation for a good one
I tried several of the free online ones (Ikea/B&Q, Duravit, Villery and Boch, several other bathroom shops) and downloaded Sketchit 2017 (but couldn't even work out how to create a room on that)
They all seemed to have limitations either in what you could do with the room eg one wouldn't allow you to put a sink under a window.... or limitations on the furniture available eg I couldn't find any pottery on Ikea's planner! I accept that it is likely to be user error in most of the cases.
I am not trying to do anything radical just a 2.4mx2.4m room with Fitted Toilet/sink unit (1500mm) and Bath (900mm wide) against one wall but I want to play with where the window goes before the builder creates the opening!
Anyway the PC almost went out the window last night so recommendation on a planning tool which can achieve the above most welcome
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Post by Roadsterstu on Aug 3, 2018 8:56:13 GMT
I gave up on online planning tools and reverted to a tape measure, pen and paper sketches and imagination. The end result is lovely. Although if the rest of your building project is anything to go by, your bathroom will be about the size of a tennis court!
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Post by PG on Aug 3, 2018 9:08:00 GMT
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Post by bryan on Aug 3, 2018 9:48:03 GMT
Thanks both - that site looks useful
The family bathroom will be a relatively modest 8ft square - I want the sink in the middle of the run of WC/SINK/BATH with a cabinet above but wonder if the off central window will look strange (ie above the Bath or Toilet) or If I put the window centrally in the middle and the cabinet off centre above the toilet.
I may get the pen and paper out but I'm not a natural artist!
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Post by Big Blue on Aug 3, 2018 10:23:32 GMT
I used SketchUp when I did the kitchen / diner / family room and also the bathrooms a year later.
In the end the things that actually drove the job and the build were my drawings: the 3D stuff just looks nice and gives you a chance to select colour schemes but they're shit for building unless you go full-on AutoCad which can do detailed 2d / sections / details as well as 3D. I did the garden designs with a pencil and it looks as I drew it.
As a qualified QS that spent 3 years sharing a campus with the School of Architecture I am not too bad at it....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 10:26:38 GMT
There is not much about that is truly useful. Sketchup is useful but learning it for one use is a bit like a one armed paper hanger. A simple paper plan with cut out top views of a bath etc that you can move about the 'room' is simple and works. Whether an offset window will look odd is impossible to say until you see it but, if you let me know dimensions and possible bath etc types, I can run you off a render or two so you can see what is what. It would not take long.
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Post by PetrolEd on Aug 3, 2018 10:28:49 GMT
I feel for you Brian,
Having now just moved back into our completed project that took 6 months and went way over budget you have my sympathy. Can you stay living in the house or have you had to move out?
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Post by PG on Aug 3, 2018 12:47:03 GMT
The family bathroom will be a relatively modest 8ft square - I want the sink in the middle of the run of WC/SINK/BATH with a cabinet above but wonder if the off central window will look strange (ie above the Bath or Toilet) or If I put the window centrally in the middle and the cabinet off centre above the toilet. I may get the pen and paper out but I'm not a natural artist! In an 8x8 ft bathroom are you going for a bath and separate show cubicle? I think that's really worthwhile and that site shows that you'd have room. On the window, a key question is whether you want a mirror in front of the sink or not? If yes, then the window will have to be over the toilet. Personally, I'd put it centrally over the sink to make the room look more balanced. And then build a cupboard behind the toilet for storage. And a mirror on the wall behind the sink, with a shelf below it and that would also be a good place for a towel rail.
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Post by Big Blue on Aug 3, 2018 14:16:36 GMT
Bath under the window; sunken mirror-from cabinet into the wall above the sink; double ended bath in a frame with Exofil (no taps) and Grohe controller and shower attachment; shower cubicle made of hardy-board and fully tiled with glass door in a frame with Grohe controller with Rainshower head and Flexi head; back to wall toilet with Gerberit hidden cistern. That's what we did, anyway.....
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Post by johnc on Aug 3, 2018 14:22:28 GMT
Pen and paper every time. We tiled the wall which runs from the door to the window, to about 4ft and then mirrored the whole wall above the tiles. It gives great light and saves the hassle of finding a place to hang a mirror.
You should also look at getting the type of window where the glass is sand blasted on the inside of the outside pane of the double glazing unit: it lets the light in but no-one can see anything from outside.
Our window is centred over the toilet and sink and its then solid behind the bath/shower.
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Post by Tim on Aug 3, 2018 14:26:59 GMT
I think this thread needs diagrams.
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Post by johnc on Aug 3, 2018 14:31:38 GMT
I think this thread needs diagrams. We used to get graph paper and then cut out the toilet, sink unit and bath/shower to scale. Draw the room to scale on another sheet of graph paper and you can move the items around till your heart's content.
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Post by Big Blue on Aug 3, 2018 14:45:06 GMT
Diagram:
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Post by Tim on Aug 3, 2018 14:55:34 GMT
Diagram:
I'd be tempted to swap the shower and toilet, the latter is going to be in shadow caused by the former plus the toilet lid would become a handy shelf to rest your book/sandwich/cup of tea on if you were in the bath
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Post by Big Blue on Aug 3, 2018 14:59:15 GMT
The toilet has the feel of being in an enclosure, and as this is the girls' bathroom (our ensuite is the big one on the left) they are often one on the toilet - one in the shower or bath. LED downlighting negates any form of shadow.
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Post by Tim on Aug 3, 2018 15:09:21 GMT
Ok. I'd require a table by the loo for reading material storage (not that I'm ever going to be using your bathroom!).
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Post by Big Blue on Aug 3, 2018 16:18:12 GMT
I don't use that bathroom either
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Post by bryan on Aug 3, 2018 19:17:31 GMT
Here is my plan - Mike your offer would be much appreciated - I think we are set on the window offset to the right ie over the sink/bath rather than behind the toilet. But it would be great to see what it looks like to confirm the opinion. I may also get the door a little more central and put shelves behind it
Here is my very rough sketch of what it will be like
This won't be our bathroom but more for guests but I welcome suggestions
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Post by bryan on Aug 3, 2018 19:30:54 GMT
Cupboard should be big enough for a decent stash of magazines
I do like the idea of cupboard/mirror above sink and don't like the idea of the WC in the middle of the room - it could be offset a little but doubt we would get window central
BB are your drawings in sketchup?
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Post by michael on Aug 3, 2018 20:32:54 GMT
We went to a Homebase designer when we first started planning our bathrooms. I wouldn’t recommend them. We were dividing one large bathroom into a bathroom and a shower room. They managed to eek out more space by giving the partition wall a width of 0mm. They also did things like but the bath in the same direction as the beams above a window without a lintel and had little understanding of where plumbing needed to be routed. In the end we drew if on the floor with masking tape.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 20:34:55 GMT
Those drawings are not typical of Sketchup, you can get a grid in the program but not out of the box. Can you give dimensions of those items including depth and height? Tile picture would be useful for texture. Windows too please.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Aug 3, 2018 21:51:32 GMT
Here is my plan - Mike your offer would be much appreciated - I think we are set on the window offset to the right ie over the sink/bath rather than behind the toilet. But it would be great to see what it looks like to confirm the opinion. I may also get the door a little more central and put shelves behind it
Here is my very rough sketch of what it will be like
This won't be our bathroom but more for guests but I welcome suggestions
Are you building it out of Lego? We have a bathroom with the sink under the window but there is chrome mirror on a telescopic arm that you can swing across for shaving. Mrs Sacamano has no problems anyway.
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Post by Big Blue on Aug 3, 2018 21:55:37 GMT
My drawing was on an Excel spreadsheet with squares to same size and all to scale. Then images were used and scaled against the grid.
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Post by bryan on Aug 3, 2018 22:00:43 GMT
Those drawings are not typical of Sketchup, you can get a grid in the program but not out of the box. Can you give dimensions of those items including depth and height? Tile picture would be useful for texture. Windows too please. Mike will get those details in the morning Bob cubism is back!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 10:52:38 GMT
Ta, I am making the basic models from the images above but they could do with being more accurate.
A rough idea, any changes let me know. No taps, could not decipher the titles in those images. Getting old perhaps.
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Post by bryan on Aug 4, 2018 19:40:19 GMT
Mike that looks amazing! I think you have got it spot on but the dimensions are attached but they look pretty accurate to me - potentially I was going to have the 300mm cupboard unit to the left of the WC but I think that would look weird having at toilet 400mm from the wall looking at the drawing. Tiles I haven't thought much about but something like these either as a feature or all depending on how busy it looks
If it really isn't too much trouble a render of the 1200 unit bathroom option below with a central window would be cool but don't put yourself out to do it
I have done 2 more drawings which I could do feedback on - both of which put a window centrally
One keeps the 1500 toilet/sink unit and creates a 900mm square shower (or 1000mm shower) but I am worried about creating a pinch point in the middle of the room
The other uses a 1200 toilet sink/unit and a 1000x800mm shower tray to remove the pinch point but less leg room on the Loo!
Thoughts welcome on the options - I think the symmetry of the window may work better in the middle
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 22:25:12 GMT
The 900mm shower fits OK, the rad might be an issue but might just fit either side of the door. I cannot change the tiles as I cannot find a texture map that fits at the moment.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Aug 5, 2018 7:53:35 GMT
Just a point of note on the bath position. As it is under the window, make sure the end of the bath where you will sit/recline is the opposite end to the window. In the winter, cool air will come down off the window.
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Post by bryan on Aug 5, 2018 9:46:53 GMT
Mike I like the second drawing with the central window best. If the shower was 900 square rather than curved would it create a pinch pint in the room?
Stu good point but we will bathe in the two person bath in the ensuite. This bath will be for any guests or sproglets if they turn up.
Anyone got any ideas or solutions instead of a solid wall to divide the shower from the vanity. I don't want a dust trap or see the end of the unit through the shower glass
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 12:50:41 GMT
Using an opaque panel instead of perspex on one side is all I can come up with, a wall would waste space and there is not much of that. The white box shows the square shower footprint, you could also revert to the original sink/toilet unit orientation with the toilet next to the shower.
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